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Re: BREAKING>> US and Turkey agree to a ceasefire
« Reply #725 on: October 18, 2019, 03:18:36 PM »
 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/13/politics/us-military-somalia-mission/index.html

We have Special Forces there training units in the Somali Army in counter terrorism opeartions.

So...you know...we don't have to be a babysitter there.

And see.... there is a perfect example of where and why I disagree.... totally.   This Somalia EO was an extension of one Obama did in 2009.  So... ten friggin years later.... we're still there... doing what?   Training?   How really stupid are they if it takes that long to train?   Thanks for posting a perfect example of what I'm talking about re: that "no defined plan".  And yeah, after ten friggin years, it has morphed into a babysitting program.... apparently.
 

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Those plans are beteween the DoD that nations ministry of defense and the respective leaders of those countries and it doesn't revolve around a time table you think it should have.

We're talking about opinions here re: approval vs. disapproval.   I never said their time table had to revolve around my opinion.  I just think it would be nice if they HAD a damned time table.

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Despite the actual combat opertions getting all the media attention...there is far more military to military training that goes on than you care to realize that goes on aroundthe world on a daily basis.  That training...those partnerships that are formed are designed to help those militaries take care of things in their regions so we don't have to "babysit".

It's happening right now in the Baltics...in Eastern Europe...in Africa and in Asia...with countries that consider us an ally.

And that's fine.... us training and helping them.   But it shouldn't have to just go on for-frickin-ever.

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The purpose is there...there's a legit mission...but unless you do the research on your own...talk to military people that know what the hell we're doing...you won't know because the media doesn't report on it because it doesn't fit their narrative or the narrative of the radical isolationists and non interventionists.

And then.... sometimes... the purpose is to just waste US resources and military lives... like when the radical, anti-military Democrats are in control.

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It doesn't fit.  It's a bullshit term coined by Libierals.

I use it.   And I am anything but a "liberal".   I think it applies perfectly to some instances.   Especially ones where we've been in a foreign nation "training" for a decade. 






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Re: BREAKING>> US and Turkey agree to a ceasefire
« Reply #726 on: October 18, 2019, 03:37:35 PM »
And see.... there is a perfect example of where and why I disagree.... totally.   This Somalia EO was an extension of one Obama did in 2009.  So... ten friggin years later.... we're still there... doing what?   Training?   How really stupid are they if it takes that long to train?   Thanks for posting a perfect example of what I'm talking about re: that "no defined plan".  And yeah, after ten friggin years, it has morphed into a babysitting program.... apparently.

Take it up with the PResident...and the terrorists we continue to see to eradicate.

I mean seriously would you rather us train units of the fledgling Somali Army to fight the terrorists...or would you prefer as we try to obilterate them outsele to have a second Black Hawk down situation?  Because that becomes the real possibility if we don't take the time and effort now..regardless of how long that timeframe is...to train them to fight on their own soil.
 

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We're talking about opinions here re: approval vs. disapproval.   I never said their time table had to revolve around my opinion.  I just think it would be nice if they HAD a damned time table.

They do...but it's not public for obvious reasons and it's clearly not going to be one that you will ever agree with.

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And that's fine.... us training and helping them.   But it shouldn't have to just go on for-frickin-ever.

Why not?  Some of the training exercises are 2-3 months out of an entire year.  We keep those ties and continue to hold joint annual exercises with different nations in the event we find ourselves fighting alongside them in some future conflict.  Helps thigns go a lot easier and cuts down on the body count.

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And then.... sometimes... the purpose is to just waste US resources and military lives... like when the radical, anti-military Democrats are in control.

I just...I can't even... *****rollingeyes*****

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I use it.   And I am anything but a "liberal".   I think it applies perfectly to some instances.   Especially ones where we've been in a foreign nation "training" for a decade.

Yeah I see that you...along with some others have adopted the Liberal language on a lot of things where the miltiary is concerned because it fits this short sighted isolationist mindset you've adopted irregardless of the fact that we can't do that in the 21st Century.  It's a early 20th century worldview that's as outdated as the Model T.
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Re: BREAKING>> US and Turkey agree to a ceasefire
« Reply #727 on: October 18, 2019, 03:41:37 PM »
And what you know is all that you've been programmed to know ----  so take your stupid snark somewhere else.

What I know about this stuff is what I have learned studied and researched over a 21 year military career.

You call my comment "snark" because you know on a factual level you couldn't rise to challenge me on it on your best day.

You're just a blind follower who will regurgiatate anything Trump says and defend any action he does because being a sheep is easeir and less risky for you than thinking on your own.

If Trump came out tomorrow and declared he was dismantling the active duty military forces and leaving in place only the state controlled national guard units and the Coast Guard...you'd applaud like a clapping seal because Trump said it.  IF anyone around here is "programmed"...well...lets just say you better take a look in the mirror if you want to see what "programmed" really looks like.
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Well what a surprise.  Syria was on the travel ban.  And most Syrian refugee's were Muslims:

Less than 3 percent of the Syrian refugees admitted to the United States so far are Christian and 96 percent are Muslim, the result of a referral system that Republican Sen. Tom Cotton says “unintentionally discriminates” against Christians.
State Department figures released Monday showed that the current system overwhelmingly favors Muslim refugees. Of the 2,184 Syrian refugees admitted to the United States so far, only 53 are Christians while 2,098 are Muslim, the Christian News Service reported.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/17/us-unintentionally-discriminates-against-christian/

State Dept: Trump travel ban denied more than 31K people entry to US
By Rachel Frazin - 09/24/19 05:23 PM EDT

More than 31,000 people were denied entry to the U.S. under President Trump's travel ban, a State Department official said Tuesday while testifying before the House Judiciary Committee.

“There’s approximately 31,334 refusals up to Sept. 14, 2019,” said Edward Ramotowski, the deputy assistant secretary for visa services in the Bureau of Consular Affairs.

Ramotowski, in response to questions by Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.), also said that “more than 7,600 waivers have been granted.”

Tuesday's hearing was called "Oversight of the Trump Administration’s Muslim Ban." Trump and his allies have said the travel ban is not a Muslim ban despite his calls during the 2016 election for a "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States."

The ban restricts travel to the U.S. to people from Iran, Libya, Somalia, Syria, Yemen, Venezuela and North Korea. Chad was previously included in the ban.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/462878-state-dept-travel-ban-denied-more-than-31000-people-entry-to-the-us

Most likely that group of Syrian refugee's were admitted to the U.S. during the Obama Administration.  Its glaring that all of a sudden Syrian Muslims think Trump deserves Nobel Peace Prize.  Peace?  Is it really?
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AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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As Trump is prancing around like a prized stallion declaring in his "unmatched wisdom" how great this is for civilization.
AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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Re: BREAKING>> US and Turkey agree to a ceasefire
« Reply #730 on: October 18, 2019, 04:03:30 PM »
What I know about this stuff is what I have learned studied and researched over a 21 year military career. 

And 21 years in the military, while honorable and deserving of gratitude, teaches you from one school of thought.  There is a natural investment in standing up for what you've been taught is the best and right way.  But it allows precious little room for thinking outside the box of military orthodoxy. 

I mean no disrespect @txradioguy  Your service was noble and honorable and I have great respect for you.  But it is this LONG service that forces your resistance to actions that were not part of your military training and education.  While I personally find this to be disappointing, I also find it understandable.

I can't help but wish you wouldn't take the next step and spew such disrespect at the CIC because he is able to think outside the box all your valuable training and service has put you in.  This is an observation and an appeal; not a judgment.



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Re: Syria Kurds accuse Turkey of violating cease-fire
« Reply #731 on: October 18, 2019, 04:10:16 PM »
News from over a year ago about the plan that is being played out right now in Syria from Gatestone Institute International Policy Council:

Turkey in Syria: Ruling Kurdish Afrin by Sharia Law, Ethnic Cleansing
by Sirwan Kajjo
May 13, 2018 at 4:00 am

At the onset of the Turkish offensive, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and his government declared it a "jihad" against Syrian Kurds. Turkish preachers gave sermons justifying the assault as a "holy war."

Turkey and jihadist groups are now forcing non-Muslim minorities in Afrin to convert to Islam. Yazidi temples, for example, have been destroyed by militants. Yazidi residents have been forcibly taken to mosques to convert to Islam.

Kurdish groups have accused the government of Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of carrying out a campaign to create a demographic change aiming at dislodging native Kurdish civilians from their lands and replacing them with Sunni Arabs from Turkish-based refugees camps.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/12269/turkey-syria-afrin-sharia

Who would have known that Trump would give the go ahead to Sharia Law in Syria?  To proudly proclaim friendship with the Extremist Muslim Erdogan?
AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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Re: BREAKING>> US and Turkey agree to a ceasefire
« Reply #732 on: October 18, 2019, 04:14:28 PM »
And 21 years in the military, while honorable and deserving of gratitude, teaches you from one school of thought.  There is a natural investment in standing up for what you've been taught is the best and right way.  But it allows precious little room for thinking outside the box of military orthodoxy. 

I mean no disrespect @txradioguy  Your service was noble and honorable and I have great respect for you.  But it is this LONG service that forces your resistance to actions that were not part of your military training and education.  While I personally find this to be disappointing, I also find it understandable.

I can't help but wish you wouldn't take the next step and spew such disrespect at the CIC because he is able to think outside the box all your valuable training and service has put you in.  This is an observation and an appeal; not a judgment.

Wow.  Outside the box huh?  I am thinking about Trumps new direction coming from his outside the box.  Disaster.
AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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Re: BREAKING>> US and Turkey agree to a ceasefire
« Reply #733 on: October 18, 2019, 04:27:10 PM »
Unfortunately, I think some people are defensive because we have a real "existential" threat now, to his presidency, you look at Ukraine, Russia and so on, I think these have mainly been big jokes but there does seem to be a problem here. I'm sorry, just saying how it appears and I'd say they are a bit into "damage control", I'm not wanting to upset anyone. Someone really should have known better than to make this decision unless, it can be fully justified, hearings next I hope. You know, sorry.  As I've said and I'm repeating myself, we had the red line, we've had the JV team, we have had the bay of pigs some 55 years ago or so. These things happen.

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Rep. Dan Crenshaw on Syria cease-fire: Trump's rapid pullout decision created 'chaos'
By Julia Musto | Fox News

The Trump administration should have handled the conflict between Turkey and Syria with more careful consideration, Rep. Dan Crenshaw, R-Texas, said Friday.

Appearing on "America's Newsroom" with host Sandra Smith, the former Navy SEAL said, "When America leaves, we create a vacuum. And, when we create a vacuum, we create chaos. And, that's what we're seeing right now."

While Crenshaw applauded the president's efforts to create a cease-fire, he argued that the U.S. "shouldn't have had to do it in the first place."

Read more at: https://www.foxnews.com/world/dan-crenshaw-turkey-syria-ceasefire

If someone is so stubborn, that having said the same last December and it was shown wrong, to then try it again, hey, maybe they shouldn't be making these decisions. Existential threat.

To me, it's such a foul up, often when one messes up, it's best to say so as soon as possible but I see how difficult this situation is and some Dems, yes, are probably using it for political hay,  tasteless.
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Re: Turkish Invasion of Northern Syria
« Reply #734 on: October 18, 2019, 04:42:28 PM »
Ragip is a good man, journo, Turkey, now, works for Middle East Eye, prior with a Turk newspaper....
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Ragıp Soylu
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Pentagon is now constantly leaking disinformation to avenge Turkish incursion in Syria. They aren’t happy about the deal either

 Today they claimed Turkey “advanced on Ras al-ayn” despite a ceasefire.

The fact is Turkey had been in Ras al-ayn since beginning of the incursion

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Will take some time to end clashes. However, Pentagon officials are very disingenuous with comments like that:

• “They are deceptive and only in it for their interest. Not a partner or ally,” the US senior official said.

We are talking about Turkey, a NATO ally for 70 years

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It must be tough, you can almost see how he's being defensive.... what a great tragedy and we've watched the Syrian tragedy really since, oh, I'd say 2012, 2013 or so. The first protests were in 2011, if I have it correctly.
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Even now, I was reading in the news, some people are very, very  unhappy Assad's troops are coming in, I think that was for the city of Raqqa, which was the ISIS capital and which our guys mainly won.

No endorsements, maybe Brookings saying you did bad means you did good... but anyway:

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The US no longer matters in Syria
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Turkey’s military incursion into northeast Syria last week set into motion a humanitarian crisis that was effectively enabled by the United States, after President Trump green-lit the Turkish operation and then withdrew 1,000 U.S. troops from the area. It constituted a betrayal of Syria’s Kurds, who have been critical to the war against jihadi groups like the Islamic State and have lost 11,000 fighters in the war effort against the jihadis.

Yesterday, Washington purportedly signed a ceasefire agreement with Ankara that requires the Kurdish fighters of the People’s Protection Units (YPG) to pull back from Turkey’s proposed 20-mile deep “safe zone” on its border. But it is an agreement that is underpinned by an extremely fragile foundation and premised on deeply flawed assumptions. Fundamentally, it assumes the U.S. still matters in Syria. It does not.

    Fundamentally, [the ceasefire] assumes the U.S. still matters in Syria. It does not.

More: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2019/10/18/the-us-no-longer-matters-in-syria/

Brookings are hawks, I can that we don't always need to get involved but we probably should take care of conflicts we are involved in and not just throw away 5 years of fixing things up.

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Re: Turkish Invasion of Northern Syria
« Reply #735 on: October 18, 2019, 04:47:28 PM »
Lindsey Graham:

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I just spoke with General Mazloum Abdi, the commander of the Syrian Democratic Forces in Syria.  He appreciates the efforts of the Trump Administration to stop the violence. (1/4)

General Mazloum is concerned about the cease-fire holding and was emphatic that he will never agree to the ethnic cleansing of Kurds that is being proposed in Ankara. (2/4)

A buffer zone is acceptable to the Kurds but a military occupation that displaces hundreds of thousands is not a safe zone.  It is ethnic cleansing. (3/4)

I hope we can find a win-win situation, but I share General Mazloum’s concerns.  I also told him that Congress will stay very involved and is extremely sympathetic to the plight of the Kurds. (4/4)

https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC

Someone said it first, we could potentially lose some intelligence the way this has unfolded, I mean, these are losses already to be charted up, not some abstract notion.

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The Intelligence Fallout From Trump’s Withdrawal in Syria
Mike Giglio

The chaotic withdrawal from Syria will severely weaken U.S. efforts in the country—and could also be a boost for Russia and Iran.

This version of the forever war in Iraq and Syria was built around the work done by local U.S. allies. The fight against ISIS was America’s, but it was also being fought by Syrians, Kurds, and Iraqis—a U.S. strategy known as “by, with, and through.” It meant that local troops carried out ground fighting in battles drawn up by American war planners. It meant that they received arms, training, and logistical support from the U.S. military and were backed by U.S. air strikes. Crucially, it also meant that they were getting help from Special Operations forces, the U.S. military’s most elite units, who work in the shadows around the world to carry out difficult and sensitive missions.

Perhaps the best-known unit is SEAL Team Six, which carried out the Osama bin Laden raid in 2011. But task forces made up of SEALs and other officially classified units such as the Delta Force have carried out the dangerous work of hunting terrorists and breaking up insurgent networks since America’s forever wars began. Often, they work on their own; but sometimes, as in the war against ISIS, they work with local counterterrorism units specially trained for the task. In the “by, with, and through” strategy, these Special Operations forces, along with the better-known U.S. Army Special Forces, or Green Berets, served as a force multiplier—a relatively small number of American troops who made the war effort by local forces far more deadly.

Read more at: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/10/us-intelligence-disaster-looming-syria/600226/

Now, Mitch McConnell said this was a 'grave mistake' or something like that, I can't document everything and these are Republicans talking.



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Re: Turkish Invasion of Northern Syria
« Reply #736 on: October 18, 2019, 05:02:05 PM »
You want to talk about Nato Charter Article 5??

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And now that the administration has agreed to a Turkish controlled “security zone” in NE #Syria, what happens when Turkish troops come under attack from Iranian aligned militias,Assad regime or even #Russia & invoke
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https://mobile.twitter.com/marcorubio


Unlikely but possible. Sharp observation, I had not thought of this.

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Re: BREAKING>> US and Turkey agree to a ceasefire
« Reply #737 on: October 18, 2019, 06:33:39 PM »
What I know about this stuff is what I have learned studied and researched over a 21 year military career.

You call my comment "snark" because you know on a factual level you couldn't rise to challenge me on it on your best day.

You're just a blind follower who will regurgiatate anything Trump says and defend any action he does because being a sheep is easeir and less risky for you than thinking on your own.

If Trump came out tomorrow and declared he was dismantling the active duty military forces and leaving in place only the state controlled national guard units and the Coast Guard...you'd applaud like a clapping seal because Trump said it.  IF anyone around here is "programmed"...well...lets just say you better take a look in the mirror if you want to see what "programmed" really looks like.

Hey... you know my stance on this.   And I know yours.   I'm not going to waste my time arguing about this..... especially with weather like we're (finally) having.   Screw that.  I'd rather be outside enjoying spring like weather.   Just know.... I am about as pro-military as you can get.... being a military brat (naval air) with every male in my family having served in one branch or another.   

When the radical leftists are in the WH, they couldn't care LESS about military lives lost... and they have shown and proven that ten times over.   I approve of what Trump did in this one instance re: Syria.   Effing sue me.
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Re: BREAKING>> US and Turkey agree to a ceasefire
« Reply #738 on: October 18, 2019, 06:52:36 PM »
I'm on record here as saying we should GET OUT of [most of] the mideast and let those muslims have-at each other.

If they want to kill each other, that's fine with me -- indeed, the higher the body count, the better.

So... in view of that... Mr. Trump did the right thing.

We've wasted enough blood and treasure there.
Let the muzzies go ahead and "waste" each other.

Time to send our troops to the southern border and do something that actually PROTECTS America.

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Re: Turkish Invasion of Northern Syria
« Reply #739 on: October 18, 2019, 09:03:11 PM »
You want to talk about Nato Charter Article 5??

Unlikely but possible. Sharp observation, I had not thought of this.

I only brought this up on at least three different occasions in this thread and one of the other Turkey/Kurd threads over the last three days. 
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Re: BREAKING>> US and Turkey agree to a ceasefire
« Reply #740 on: October 18, 2019, 09:06:20 PM »
I'm on record here as saying we should GET OUT of [most of] the mideast and let those muslims have-at each other.

If they want to kill each other, that's fine with me -- indeed, the higher the body count, the better.

So... in view of that... Mr. Trump did the right thing.

We've wasted enough blood and treasure there.
Let the muzzies go ahead and "waste" each other.

Time to send our troops to the southern border and do something that actually PROTECTS America.

Fine. We’ll put you down for rather fighting ISIS on our own city streets rather that far far away.

Those same troops that prevented what Turkey is doing now...couldn’t be deployed to the border no matter how much you wish it to be so.
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Re: BREAKING>> US and Turkey agree to a ceasefire
« Reply #741 on: October 18, 2019, 09:08:00 PM »
Again, conflating Obama's actions back then, which was fulfilling every leftists wet dream of destroying all progress made in Iraq by a complete pullout... resulting in the rise of ISIS and the Muslim Brotherhood.... with Trump pulling 50 guys out of Syria AFTER ISIS has been contained is not even close to being comparable, no matter how the idiot rabid left spins it.   We were never supposed to stay there, it was only supposed to be 30 days, the job was done, fricking END the mission FFS.  And again... the problem isn't Trump pulling 50 guys out of Syria.....the problem was Turkey ... a "NATO ally" deciding to take advantage and invade.  Put the blame where it belongs.

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Opinion | Mitch McConnell: Withdrawing from Syria is a grave mistake
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 .... Sadly, the recently announced pullout risks repeating the Obama administration’s reckless withdrawal from Iraq, which facilitated the rise of the Islamic State in the first place.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/mitch-mcconnell-withdrawing-from-syria-is-a-grave-mistake/2019/10/18/c0a811a8-f1cd-11e9-89eb-ec56cd414732_story.html

There we go again, we are talking about what people do, can I say maybe person A smokes and person B smokes, they both do it. It does not mean there are similarities beyond that.

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Re: BREAKING>> US and Turkey agree to a ceasefire
« Reply #742 on: October 18, 2019, 09:13:17 PM »
Fine. We’ll put you down for rather fighting ISIS on our own city streets rather that far far away.

Those same troops that prevented what Turkey is doing now...couldn’t be deployed to the border no matter how much you wish it to be so.

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Good posting, and folks, some might need to consider, that though,  one thinks that they are being against radical fundamentalism, well, sheesh, one might be actually helping it grow.

Maybe a whole lot of hard work was destroyed.  That's the pity.

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Re: BREAKING>> US and Turkey agree to a ceasefire
« Reply #743 on: October 18, 2019, 09:25:08 PM »
Many analysts say this move helps Iran, a country with definite nuclear aspirations.  In fact, I think clearly it does and one can go on from there.

Plus, yanking them out, apparently helps Christians who in 1999, they may have suffered still some persecution, discrimination over there but their numbers were over a million, now?

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It was a stupid idea in December, 2018 and it's a proven stupid idea in October, 2019. I'd almost think one should step down, it is so asinine. How can one make competent decisions. "Oh, I don't trust my intelligence".

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Re: BREAKING>> US and Turkey agree to a ceasefire
« Reply #744 on: October 18, 2019, 09:41:53 PM »
Fine. We’ll put you down for rather fighting ISIS on our own city streets rather that far far away.

Those same troops that prevented what Turkey is doing now...couldn’t be deployed to the border no matter how much you wish it to be so.

Could they be used to invade Mexico and create a buffer zone?  Seems to me we deserve one too, if Turkey can have one.
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Re: BREAKING>> US and Turkey agree to a ceasefire
« Reply #745 on: October 18, 2019, 10:21:42 PM »
Could they be used to invade Mexico and create a buffer zone?  Seems to me we deserve one too, if Turkey can have one.

That’s actually not a bad idea.
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Re: BREAKING>> US and Turkey agree to a ceasefire
« Reply #746 on: October 18, 2019, 10:26:00 PM »
That’s actually not a bad idea.

Seems like a good use of their skill sets, and we would not have to worry about training and entrusting locals for security.   :pondering:
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Re: BREAKING>> US and Turkey agree to a ceasefire
« Reply #747 on: October 18, 2019, 10:27:50 PM »
Could they be used to invade Mexico and create a buffer zone?  Seems to me we deserve one too, if Turkey can have one.

I was thinking about that awhile back.  We help them set up a safe zone in the north where they can move their military/LEO/govt families, and then with us at their backs (aka on our border) THEY could start pushing south.  Meanwhile, their violence stops spilling over our border.

I'd rather see them fix their own mess, but they're not getting it done and it directly affects us.
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Re: Turkish Invasion of Northern Syria
« Reply #748 on: October 18, 2019, 10:39:16 PM »
Did I not hit post?

Or did you censor it?

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