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Re: BREAKING>> US and Turkey agree to a ceasefire
« Reply #700 on: October 18, 2019, 04:37:50 pm »
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Just spoke to President @RTErdogan of Turkey. He told me there was minor sniper and mortar fire that was quickly eliminated. He very much wants the ceasefire, or pause, to work. Likewise, the Kurds want it, and the ultimate solution, to happen. Too bad there wasn’t.....

.....this thinking years ago. Instead, it was always held together with very weak bandaids, & in an artificial manner. There is good will on both sides & a really good chance for success. The U.S. has secured the Oil, & the ISIS Fighters are double secured by Kurds & Turkey....

....I have just been notified that some European Nations are now willing, for the first time, to take the ISIS Fighters that came from their nations. This is good news, but should have been done after WE captured them. Anyway, big progress being made!!!!


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Syria Kurds accuse Turkey of violating cease-fire
« Reply #701 on: October 18, 2019, 04:38:47 pm »
Syria Kurds accuse Turkey of violating cease-fire
October 18, 2019, 7:21 AM PDT


Turkish-backed Syrian rebels seize border town of Ras al Ain - official


CEYLANPINAR, Turkey (AP) — The Kurdish-led administration in northern Syria accused Turkey on Friday of violating a U.S.-brokered cease-fire that went into effect overnight, as fighters from both sides clashed in and around a border town that has been one of the fiercest fronts in the Turkish invasion.

The town of Ras al-Ayn was emerging as an immediate test for the five-day cease-fire agreed on by Washington and Ankara. Before the deal's announcement, Turkish-backed forces had encircled the town and were battling fierce resistance from Kurdish fighters inside.

The Syrian Kurds raised further uncertainty over a cease-fire deal that already was vague on key points and left significant questions unanswered. The self-rule administration said some provisions of the cease-fire deal "need further discussion with the United States."

It did not specify which provisions, but the Kurds have not publicly committed to a central term of the deal — a pullout of their fighters from the border region. A spokesman for the Kurdish-led fighters said Friday they were not withdrawing from Ras al-Ayn because Turkish forces are still besieging and shelling it.

Criticism of the cease-fire deal — which President Donald Trump called "a great day for civilization" — mounted. EU Council President Donald Tusk said it was "not a cease-fire, it is a demand for the capitulation of the Kurds" and called on Turkey to immediately halt its operation in northeast Syria. French President Emmanuel Macron called the Turkish operation "madness."

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Trump "Kurds were great"  "Great day for the Kurds"  " I just want to thank and congratulate, though President Erdogan.  He's a friend of mine and I am glad we didn't have a problem" because frankly he's a hell of a leader.  He did a terrific thing.  What he did was very smart...………"

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Re: BREAKING>> US and Turkey agree to a ceasefire
« Reply #702 on: October 18, 2019, 04:50:43 pm »
Criticizing Trump when he does or says something that warrants criticism is one thing....everyone's allowed to do that if it is valid criticism....

but to even remotely compare Trump to Obama in ANY way is, quite frankly, absurd and wrong-headed in my humble opinion.  I see no similarity whatsoever.  Obama = pro-Muslim/Trump = pro-Jew.   It just doesn't follow.   Obama = anti-US military/Trump = pro-US military.   And that's just two things off the top of my head sans java.

Just my two cents.

Lindsay Graham, the Congressman from Florida per posted in these forums have made the comparison that Obama ill-advisedly withdrew troops from Iraq in 2011, then, came about ISIS and by the way, over that decision, Trump  called Obama and in fact, Hillary too, "Founders of ISIS", it's all in the news.

So, we are just comparing these two situations, we aren't talking about Prayer in Schools or Taxes or Healthcare or anything else, we are uniquely talking about this situation.

2011, Obama withdraws troops in Iraq versus everyone's advice including his advisors, ISIS rises.

2019, Trump abruptly pulls troops out and a lot of disaster has already happened.

This has been posted in the forum amply to have to hunt down these stories again.

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Re: BREAKING>> US and Turkey agree to a ceasefire
« Reply #703 on: October 18, 2019, 04:57:28 pm »
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but to even remotely compare Trump to Obama in ANY way is, quite frankly, absurd and wrong-headed

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It's neither if the make the same exact mistakes with the military.
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Re: BREAKING>> US and Turkey agree to a ceasefire
« Reply #704 on: October 18, 2019, 05:01:17 pm »
Lindsay Graham, the Congressman from Florida per posted in these forums have made the comparison that Obama ill-advisedly withdrew troops from Iraq in 2011, then, came about ISIS and by the way, over that decision, Trump  called Obama and in fact, Hillary too, "Founders of ISIS", it's all in the news.

So, we are just comparing these two situations, we aren't talking about Prayer in Schools or Taxes or Healthcare or anything else, we are uniquely talking about this situation.

2011, Obama withdraws troops in Iraq versus everyone's advice including his advisors, ISIS rises.

2019, Trump abruptly pulls troops out and a lot of disaster has already happened.

This has been posted in the forum amply to have to hunt down these stories again.

Again, conflating Obama's actions back then, which was fulfilling every leftists wet dream of destroying all progress made in Iraq by a complete pullout... resulting in the rise of ISIS and the Muslim Brotherhood.... with Trump pulling 50 guys out of Syria AFTER ISIS has been contained is not even close to being comparable, no matter how the idiot rabid left spins it.   We were never supposed to stay there, it was only supposed to be 30 days, the job was done, fricking END the mission FFS.  And again... the problem isn't Trump pulling 50 guys out of Syria.....the problem was Turkey ... a "NATO ally" deciding to take advantage and invade.  Put the blame where it belongs.

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Re: BREAKING>> US and Turkey agree to a ceasefire
« Reply #705 on: October 18, 2019, 05:04:19 pm »
It's almost absurd Trump did this UNLESS there is good reason, maybe there is. I hope this situation clears up but if it was a bad decision, then, yes, this is very similar to Obama's 2011 decision to withdraw troops from Iraq against the advise of practicvally everyone, Leon Pineda and so on.

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Re: BREAKING>> US and Turkey agree to a ceasefire
« Reply #706 on: October 18, 2019, 05:05:10 pm »
@XenaLee

It's neither if the make the same exact mistakes with the military.

But ..... that's not happening.... and you know damned well that Obama pulling us out of Iraq was no mistake by him.... he did it deliberately knowing full well the outcome... no doubt at the behest of his main backer, Soros.  If you want to place blame here, blame Erdogan/Turkey.  We shouldn't have to be expected to stay in Syria forever just because there are bad actors posing as NATO allies.  JS...
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Re: BREAKING>> US and Turkey agree to a ceasefire
« Reply #707 on: October 18, 2019, 05:07:00 pm »
It's almost absurd Trump did this UNLESS there is good reason, maybe there is. I hope this situation clears up but if it was a bad decision, then, yes, this is very similar to Obama's 2011 decision to withdraw troops from Iraq against the advise of practicvally everyone, Leon Pineda and so on.

No.   It's not.
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Re: BREAKING>> US and Turkey agree to a ceasefire
« Reply #708 on: October 18, 2019, 05:09:46 pm »
But ..... that's not happening.... and you know damned well that Obama pulling us out of Iraq was no mistake by him.... he did it deliberately knowing full well the outcome... no doubt at the behest of his main backer, Soros.  If you want to place blame here, blame Erdogan/Turkey.  We shouldn't have to be expected to stay in Syria forever just because there are bad actors posing as NATO allies.  JS...

I'm referring specifically to their treatment of the Kurds as our allies.  Both Presidents have left them hung out to dry.  I'm not denying the other parts of what you say.  But in this instance with the Kurds both Obama and Trump have behaved in smiliar fashion towards them.
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Re: Syria Kurds accuse Turkey of violating cease-fire
« Reply #709 on: October 18, 2019, 05:10:58 pm »
I would be very careful about reading too much in to Trumps victory and praise of the Extremist Muslim Erdogan.

US hails Turkish cease-fire; Kurds must vacate border area
ANKARA, Turkey (AP) — The U.S. and Turkey agreed Thursday to a cease-fire in the Turks’ deadly attacks on Kurdish fighters in northern Syria, requiring the Kurds to vacate the area in an arrangement that largely solidifies Turkey’s position and aims in the weeklong conflict.
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The commander of Kurdish-led forces in Syria, Mazloum Abdi, told Kurdish TV, “We will do whatever we can for the success of the cease-fire agreement.” But one Kurdish official, Razan Hiddo, declared that Kurdish people would refuse to live under Turkish occupation.

https://www.newstribune.com/news/national/story/2019/oct/18/us-hails-turkish-cease-fire-kurds-must-vacate-border-area/800278/

This isn't really a cease fire.  Not surprised Donald Trump is taking a victory dance.  Talking about how Erdogan is a friend...……..etc.  Victory only comes when there actually is a cease fire and Turkey is no longer bombing or persecuting people.
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Re: BREAKING>> US and Turkey agree to a ceasefire
« Reply #710 on: October 18, 2019, 05:12:06 pm »
But ..... that's not happening.... and you know damned well that Obama pulling us out of Iraq was no mistake by him.... he did it deliberately knowing full well the outcome... no doubt at the behest of his main backer, Soros.  If you want to place blame here, blame Erdogan/Turkey.  We shouldn't have to be expected to stay in Syria forever just because there are bad actors posing as NATO allies.  JS...

Fine, different intentions, similar same bad decision, if  you are just saying all this to say you are right in the argument, fine. You are right, the results can be very similar as well. In fact, some bad things have happened already.

If I didn't say it already, it sounds like we may have hearings on this and we can learn more.

Don't stay forever... but how many places are we in the world? Even Somaliland? Somalia, we are already pretty well spread out, South Korea, Japan, Germany.

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Re: BREAKING>> US and Turkey agree to a ceasefire
« Reply #711 on: October 18, 2019, 05:19:06 pm »
No.   It's not.

Okay, we agree to disagree.

Graham: 'Obama-like mistake' for Trump to withdraw troops from Syria
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/422063-lindsey-graham-obama-like-mistake-for-trump-to-withdraw-troops-from-syria

Okay, Lindsey gets berated here pretty well but how about this?

And disagree with this:

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'ISIS 2.0': GOP Congressman, Former Green Beret, Blasts Trump's US Troop Withdrawal from Syria

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"We've set the conditions for ISIS 2.0 ... and we're repeating the mistakes of the Obama administration, which pulled out of Iraq too soon and led to all of this in the first place, except we won't have any local allies to fight them again,"
'ISIS 2.0': GOP Congressman, Former Green Beret, Blasts Trump's US Troop Withdrawal from Syria

https://www.newsweek.com/isis-2-0-warning-syria-pullout-michael-waltz-florida-republican-tells-donald-trump-turkey-1465114

I see the light @XenaLee  , I see the light now,  you know more than a Green Beret.

It's a matter of opinion BUT, I note, people do say this and to be fair, people say what you do. There is no right or wrong in the end, just our opinions here, our speculation.

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Syrian American group says Trump deserves Nobel Peace Prize, US troops should come home
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A Syrian American doctor is spearheading an initiative to nominate President Trump for a Noble Peace Prize after Trump managed to convince Putin to throttle back on plans to seize the Syrian refugee city of Idlib in 2018, an attack that could have potentially killed upwards of 3 million civilians.

Dr. Tarek Kteleh, a rheumatologist in Indiana and board member of a group that promotes national security issues in Syria called Citizens for a Secure and Safe America, told Fox News Thursday that Trump "deserves credit" for preventing the potentially deadly attack on one of the last remaining cities not under the control of Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad.

The Syrian military and their Russian and Iranian allies surrounded Idlib, a sanctuary city that nearly 4 million civilians fled to, ready to attack and push out the Syrian rebels by the end of summer 2018. The small province of land was a necessary stronghold for rebel forces, vital to preventing the dictator from accessing control of the Northern portion of the Middle East.

Read more at: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/syrian-american-group-says-trump-deserves-nobel-peace-prize-us-troops-should-come-home

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Re: US Bombs Its Own Base In Syria To Prevent NATO Ally Turkey From Using It
« Reply #713 on: October 18, 2019, 05:58:20 pm »
It's also the result of a hastily ordered not well thought out order to retreat.

They certainly didn't destroy everything...there will be things found that will be useful to the Russians and the Iranians.
To be sure. There will always be things to scrounge or salvage, and some will survive intact. It really takes a lot of effort to render everything left behind useless.
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Re: US Bombs Its Own Base In Syria To Prevent NATO Ally Turkey From Using It
« Reply #714 on: October 18, 2019, 06:00:38 pm »
To be sure. There will always be things to scrounge or salvage, and some will survive intact. It really takes a lot of effort to render everything left behind useless.

Could have been done differently...
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Re: BREAKING>> US and Turkey agree to a ceasefire
« Reply #715 on: October 18, 2019, 06:04:49 pm »
Fine, different intentions, similar same bad decision, if  you are just saying all this to say you are right in the argument, fine. You are right, the results can be very similar as well. In fact, some bad things have happened already.

If I didn't say it already, it sounds like we may have hearings on this and we can learn more.

Don't stay forever... but how many places are we in the world? Even Somaliland? Somalia, we are already pretty well spread out, South Korea, Japan, Germany.

I have no idea what our "mission" or national interests are in Somalia... the only thing I can imagine is that some leftist idiot in DC wants it so.  But I'm against "spreading out" our US military personnel unless there is a definite mission to accomplish for the USA.   We are not the rest of the world's babysitters, after all.   Especially considering how some of the world returns that favor by dissing America.  As far as I'm concerned, the US has very few allies.  Israel, Japan, and the UK.   The rest of the nations seem to only do "lip service" when it comes to acting like a US ally. 

And by the way.... I don't have to "be right".  I'm stubborn and opinionated, true.   But I can handle it when folks disagree with me.   If that were not the case, I wouldn't be here.   happy77
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« Reply #716 on: October 18, 2019, 06:09:13 pm »
Could have been done differently...
As could so much else...

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Re: BREAKING>> US and Turkey agree to a ceasefire
« Reply #717 on: October 18, 2019, 06:11:49 pm »
It's almost absurd Trump did this UNLESS there is good reason, maybe there is. I hope this situation clears up but if it was a bad decision, then, yes, this is very similar to Obama's 2011 decision to withdraw troops from Iraq against the advise of practicvally everyone, Leon Pineda and so on.

Of all the Syrian refugees that have settled in the U.S. only a small percentage have been Christians. The same is true in Turkey.  They are mainly Muslims.  Inspires me to question the agenda of settling the refugee's where the Kurds are living on the border.  We fought alongside with the Kurds to rid the country of ISIS.  If the Kurds and the U.S have been fighting ISIS in that region then it stands to reason that many of the refugee's that Turkey is planning on resettling there are extremist Muslims.
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« Reply #718 on: October 18, 2019, 06:13:22 pm »
I have no idea what our "mission" or national interests are in Somalia... the only thing I can imagine is that some leftist idiot in DC wants it so.  But I'm against "spreading out" our US military personnel unless there is a definite mission to accomplish for the USA.   We are not the rest of the world's babysitters, after all.   Especially considering how some of the world returns that favor by dissing America.  As far as I'm concerned, the US has very few allies.  Israel, Japan, and the UK.   The rest of the nations seem to only do "lip service" when it comes to acting like a US ally. 

And by the way.... I don't have to "be right".  I'm stubborn and opinionated, true.   But I can handle it when folks disagree with me.   If that were not the case, I wouldn't be here.   happy77

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FYI Somalia is the al Shabab terrorist group.  They are a Taliban/al Qaeda linked group. 

This whole isolation thing is a pre-9/11 mindset that we can't go back to.  Look in history at what happens every time the U.S. adopts a backwards thinking policy of isolation or non intervention.

We do have a lot more allies than that and they do more than pay lipservice to that alliance.  Despite what some might have you think we don't just toss our military here and there throughout the world jsut for shits and giggle or to try and be some kind of "empire" or because of tinfoil hat conspiracy theory.  We are also not the world's babysitters...I get so freaking tired of that completely false term...especaially since in implies I'm one of those babysitters.
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Re: BREAKING>> US and Turkey agree to a ceasefire
« Reply #719 on: October 18, 2019, 06:30:33 pm »
@XenaLee

FYI Somalia is the al Shabab terrorist group.  They are a Taliban/al Qaeda linked group. 

This whole isolation thing is a pre-9/11 mindset that we can't go back to.  Look in history at what happens every time the U.S. adopts a backwards thinking policy of isolation or non intervention.

We do have a lot more allies than that and they do more than pay lipservice to that alliance.  Despite what some might have you think we don't just toss our military here and there throughout the world jsut for shits and giggle or to try and be some kind of "empire" or because of tinfoil hat conspiracy theory.  We are also not the world's babysitters...I get so freaking tired of that completely false term...especaially since in implies I'm one of those babysitters.

So what, exactly, are we doing there?   What's the mission?   Is there any end to that mission and if so, when?  If not, why not?   I never advocated isolationism, far from it.  But dammit, there needs to be a "plan", which means a start and an end date to the mission.  Otherwise, it's a case of "there's no plan but to spread US forces throughout the world at taxpayer expense for no specifically defined purpose".  I am vehemently against that "no defined purpose" bit.   And yes, I was in favor of going into Iraq.  But pulling out of Iraq that early equated to all those US lives lost for NOTHING, IMO.

As for the term babysitters.... if the shoe/term fits....lol.
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Re: BREAKING>> US and Turkey agree to a ceasefire
« Reply #722 on: October 18, 2019, 06:56:03 pm »
So what, exactly, are we doing there?   What's the mission?   Is there any end to that mission and if so, when?  If not, why not?

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This week President Donald Trump signed an executive order extending a presidential declaration of a national emergency concerning Somalia for another year, calling the Islamist insurgency plaguing that country an "unusual and extraordinary threat" to the US.
 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/13/politics/us-military-somalia-mission/index.html

We have Special Forces there training units in the Somali Army in counter terrorism opeartions.

So...you know...we don't have to be a babysitter there.



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But dammit, there needs to be a "plan", which means a start and an end date to the mission.
 

Those plans are beteween the DoD that nations ministry of defense and the respective leaders of those countries and it doesn't revolve around a time table you think it should have.

Despite the actual combat opertions getting all the media attention...there is far more military to military training that goes on than you care to realize that goes on aroundthe world on a daily basis.  That training...those partnerships that are formed are designed to help those militaries take care of things in their regions so we don't have to "babysit".

It's happening right now in the Baltics...in Eastern Europe...in Africa and in Asia...with countries that consider us an ally.



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Otherwise, it's a case of "there's no plan but to spread US forces throughout the world at taxpayer expense for no specifically defined purpose".  I am vehemently against that "no defined purpose" bit.   And yes, I was in favor of going into Iraq.  But pulling out of Iraq that early equated to all those US lives lost for NOTHING, IMO.

The purpose is there...there's a legit mission...but unless you do the research on your own...talk to military people that know what the hell we're doing...you won't know because the media doesn't report on it because it doesn't fit their narrative or the narrative of the radical isolationists and non interventionists.

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As for the term babysitters.... if the shoe/term fits....lol.

It doesn't fit.  It's a bullshit term coined by Libierals.
The libs/dems of today are the Quislings of former years. The cowards who would vote a fraud into office in exchange for handouts from the devil.

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Re: BREAKING>> US and Turkey agree to a ceasefire
« Reply #723 on: October 18, 2019, 06:57:29 pm »


What he knows about world history and all things military wouldn't fill a thimble.  And your quote just goes to prove that.
The libs/dems of today are the Quislings of former years. The cowards who would vote a fraud into office in exchange for handouts from the devil.

Here lies in honored glory an American soldier, known but to God

THE ESTABLISHMENT IS THE PROBLEM...NOT THE SOLUTION

Republicans Don't Need A Back Bench...They Need a BACKBONE!

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Re: BREAKING>> US and Turkey agree to a ceasefire
« Reply #724 on: October 18, 2019, 07:06:36 pm »
What he knows about world history and all things military wouldn't fill a thimble. 

And what you know is all that you've been programmed to know ----  so take your stupid snark somewhere else.