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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #51 on: October 09, 2019, 09:15:34 AM »
This is different though, than say Papua New Guinea Indonesia and Sudan, we are not going into these hot spots because we haven't been there. But we have been in Iraq and Syria.

Also, let's not forget how Trump called Obama and Clinton "founders of ISIS" because of how we withdrew, well, we have a similar situation on our hands with this.

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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #52 on: October 09, 2019, 09:15:36 AM »
So it’s ok in your mind to just screw over an ally and leave them to be slaughtered by a sworn enemy?

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So,it's ok in your mind for US taxpayers to pay the bills and for US military members to be killed or disabled for life in order for the US to do the job of the UN?

We are NOT the "Worlds Daddy". Our own borders are being invaded every day by an army of foreigners who seem intent on bankrupting our nation. If nothing else,we could use those troops to protect our OWN damn borders!
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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #53 on: October 09, 2019, 09:16:33 AM »
Trump: Europe Won't Help, and We’re Not Going to Hold Thousands of ISIS Fighters at Guantanamo Bay
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goodenough/trump-europe-wont-help-and-were-not-going-hold-thousands-isis
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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #54 on: October 09, 2019, 09:17:21 AM »
Trump says 50 US troops removed from northern Syria
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/464967-trump-says-50-us-troops-removed-from-northern-syria


Trump faces growing GOP revolt on Syria
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/464942-trump-faces-growing-gop-revolt-on-syria

Ah.... there's that number "50" again.   Not 100, not 150, not 1,000.   

So how the hell can Trump's order, removing that few soldiers, make suck a stink?   Anybody?
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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #55 on: October 09, 2019, 09:19:58 AM »
Plans for this, I've got to think should have been made since last December when we were going to withdraw to begin with, we were trying to invite other nations in. That might be part of this scenario though, I"m making no excuses for this. Just saying. Did the Brits, French, Germans take up the slack?

I think some Brit troops in the area, SAS are in fact, moving out of this place as well.

I can appreciate the complexities.  Could it end up as an outright conflict between Turkey and us? Just saying but in general, I'd go with Cruz, Rubio, Graham and many others being against what we are doing.

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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #56 on: October 09, 2019, 09:23:35 AM »

'I'm going to throw up': Graham slams Trump for 'putting the nation at risk'
by Caitlin Yilek
 | October 09, 2019 08:39 AM



Sen. Lindsey Graham said President Trump was risking the safety of the nation as well as putting his presidency on the line with his decision to withdraw troops from northern Syria.

Graham, who has been an ally of the president, told Axios that Trump’s Syria decision was “putting the nation at risk” and “putting his presidency at risk.”

“And I hope he will adjust his policies like he did before. That would actually be a sign of real leadership,” Graham said Tuesday. "If I hear the president say one more time, 'I made a campaign promise to get out of Syria,' I'm going to throw up.”

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/im-going-to-throw-up-graham-slams-trump-for-putting-the-nation-at-risk

Green lighting Turkey to invade Syria was a huge unforced error and it is going to cost Trump a lot of support from the right. It might
very well cost him the 2020 election. When millions of Christians stay home. I've never seen a president make such a bone headed
move. This is worse then Kennedy not supplying air support during the Bay of Pigs fiasco.
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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #57 on: October 09, 2019, 09:33:02 AM »
@txradioguy

So,it's ok in your mind for US taxpayers to pay the bills and for US military members to be killed or disabled for life in order for the US to do the job of the UN?

We are NOT the "Worlds Daddy". Our own borders are being invaded every day by an army of foreigners who seem intent on bankrupting our nation. If nothing else,we could use those troops to protect our OWN damn borders!

We’re not doing the job of the UN here Pete. Not that I’ll ever be able to make you understand that.

I would think that you above a phone else here would understand why people are upset over abandoning an ally on the battlefield is so horrible after what our government did by abandoning S Vietnam to get slaughtered by the North when our government cut off funding.

But I guess you just too bitter these days with life in general to see this situation rationally.
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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #58 on: October 09, 2019, 09:37:24 AM »
@txradioguy

You mean they are going to have to be willing to fight and die to protect themselves?

WOW! What a novel concept!

Whatever Pete. I guess your view on screwing over allies depends on who is in office.
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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #59 on: October 09, 2019, 09:49:50 AM »
If Noam Chomsky says we should stay that's a clear sign we should be outta there.

And Cruz says we should stay, so how about that?

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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #60 on: October 09, 2019, 09:53:20 AM »
Sumbodie riddle me this.

Isn't the whole PURPOSE of the United Nations to hold a united front to keep nations from invading each other,and to insure peace?

IF it is,WHY are US and other western troops there patrolling,or doing anything else? If the UN would do what it is SUPPOSED to do,they could stop the fighting by placing immediate embargoes on tourism,foreign aid,and trade with any nation that invades another by proxy or using their troops.

If the UN is going to be this ineffective,maybe we should shut down our cash flow to the UN until and unless they start doing what they were formed to do?

In this day of drones,electronic listening,electronic banking,etc,etc,etc,it is impossible for anyone to hide where the weapons,food,and fighters are coming from,and sanctions CAN be put on those nations. There is no need to add further deaths and tragedy to an already bad situation when we already have the power and the ability to shut this crap down with just a few key strokes.


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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #61 on: October 09, 2019, 10:00:42 AM »
I believe that in this case Cruz is also incorrect.

 **nononono*
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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #62 on: October 09, 2019, 10:09:34 AM »
**nononono*

I know we disagree on this.  But, we are not there to protect the Kurds, and they have existed in conflict with their neighbors for long before we were there.  We should have left long ago, after our mission there was complete. 
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« Reply #63 on: October 09, 2019, 10:16:27 AM »
I know we disagree on this.  But, we are not there to protect the Kurds, and they have existed in conflict with their neighbors for long before we were there.  We should have left long ago, after our mission there was complete.

This isn't about a centuries old conflict between the Kurds and the Turks...I don't care how many times i have to repeat that...it's the truth.

This is about right and wrong.  It's about abandoning an ally in the face of a military force that's going to slaughter them.

And what about the ISIS fighters that will be back on the battlefield?  The Turks have been materially assisting ISIS for about 5 years now.  YOu don't think they'll "accidentially" cause a jailbreak to free those fighters?

Ther's not a person here that wouldn't have shouted to the high heavens about this being an atrocit had Obama done the same thing...wait he did...and we were all pissed.

Now it's Trump doing it and suddenly its ok?  Is it going to be ok when Trump starts back tracking from his tough talk on the Iranians?  Don't laugh or scoff at that because with Rand Paul now in his ear on foreign policy matters...it's gonna happen.  I mean Trump is already parroting Pauls line about "endless wars".

The other thing no one has thought about is that the Dems will now be able to smear Trump with allowing a genocide to happen by allowing Turey to attack the Kurds.

But what the hell...it's just the Kurds...the groups that's helped us fight terrorism in that region for almsot two decdes...no biggy right?
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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #64 on: October 09, 2019, 10:33:38 AM »
Again, I don't know if I said this earlier, Trump has called Hillary and Obama "founders of ISIS" because of our withdrawal in 2011 I think. Graham was talking about repeating the same mistake. They are "similar" types of situations, not the exact same situation.

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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #65 on: October 09, 2019, 10:35:57 AM »
@txradioguy what was our mission in Syria?
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Turkey launches airstrikes on northern Syria after Trumps pulls back U.S. troops

Turkey launched a military operation Wednesday against Kurdish fighters in northeastern Syria after U.S. forces withdrew from the area. Activists reported airstrikes on a town on Syria's northern border and a Kurdish official said warplanes targeted civilians, causing a "huge panic."

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan announced the start of the campaign, which followed an announcement Sunday by U.S. President Donald Trump that American troops would step aside in a shift in U.S. policy that essentially abandoned the Syrian Kurds. They were longtime U.S. allies in the fight against ISIS..........

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/turkey-invades-syria-turkish-president-erdogan-announces-military-operation-today-2019-10-09/
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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #67 on: October 09, 2019, 10:43:09 AM »
@txradioguy what was our mission in Syria?

Supporting and traiing freedom fighters against the Syrian regime...fighting ISIS as well since their "caliphate" had expanded from Iraq into Syria.
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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #68 on: October 09, 2019, 10:46:27 AM »
Supporting and traiing freedom fighters against the Syrian regime...fighting ISIS as well since their "caliphate" had expanded from Iraq into Syria.

Unfortunately, it is not at all clear what the mission was, or even if there was one.
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« Reply #69 on: October 09, 2019, 10:48:12 AM »
Unfortunately, it is not at all clear what the mission was, or even if there was one.

@Sanguine

It is and was...but unfortuneately our media and elected politicians don't do their damn job in explaining it to the people.  Better to keep it unclear inthe minds of civilians incase a politican or journalist has to jump to the other side of the issue.  Or in the case of Obama...backtrack from your "line in the sand."

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The American-led intervention in the Syrian Civil War refers to the United States-led support of Syrian opposition and the Federation of Northern Syria during the course of the Syrian Civil War and active military involvement led by the United States and its allies — the militaries of the United Kingdom, France, Jordan, Turkey, Canada, Australia and more — against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) and al-Nusra Front since 2014. Since early 2017, the U.S. and other Coalition partners have also targeted the Syrian government and its allies via airstrikes and aircraft shoot-downs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American-led_intervention_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War[/quote]
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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #70 on: October 09, 2019, 10:54:50 AM »
@Sanguine  Remind me of how persecuted Christians were before Bush and Obama in that region?

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« Reply #71 on: October 09, 2019, 10:57:12 AM »
@Sanguine  Remind me of how persecuted Christians were before Bush and Obama in that region?

And now comes the defense of Saddam and Assad because of how they allegedly protected Christians in the area.

Color me shocked.
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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #72 on: October 09, 2019, 11:00:27 AM »
I thought it was posted, there was a no-fly zone per Joyce Karam. That at the moment, does not appear to be the case.

Everything said per my view, is on limited knowledge. The Turks have 3.6 Syrian refugees, so they do have some valid points on this conflict from their view.

We, I will say I don't know for a fact, that this will all turn out bad.

Graham tweeting on this plenty:

https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC

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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #73 on: October 09, 2019, 11:00:59 AM »
Hey Tom...Mussolini made the trains run on time too.  I guess we shouldn't ahve ousted him from Italy either huh?
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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #74 on: October 09, 2019, 11:01:30 AM »

But I guess you just too bitter these days with life in general to see this situation rationally.

@txradioguy

One of us seems to be.

We can't even protect our OWN damn borders,and here we are sending troops all over the world to help others protect themselves??????

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