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This is so embarassing and dishonorable on so many levels.


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Honor used to be a conservative value

Honor is something we still prize highly in the military.  So is integrity.  And right now there are a lot of people questioning whether we still have either.
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Turkey’s ongoing military assault in Syria has left more than 100 Kurdish forces dead, President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan claimed Thursday morning, a day after his troops launched airstrikes and unleashed artillery shelling on Syrian towns and villages along its border.

Information about the rising death toll came as Turkey's state-run news agency said Turkey-allied Syrian opposition fighters have "cleared of terror" two villages across the border in Syria — meaning there are no more Syrian Kurdish fighters in those villages. Turkey has long threatened to attack the Kurdish fighters whom Ankara considers terrorists allied with a Kurdish insurgency in Turkey.

Erdogan told party officials Thursday that 109 "terrorists" have been killed so far in Operation Peace Spring — a reference to the U.S.-allied Syrian Kurdish fighters. He did not elaborate, and the reports on the ground, according to the Associated Press, did not indicate anything remotely close to such a large number of casualties.

The Turkish leader also warned the European Union not to call Ankara's incursion into Syria an "invasion," and renewed his threat of "opening the gates" and letting Syrian refugees flood Europe.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/turkey-military-assault-in-syria
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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #157 on: October 10, 2019, 11:30:31 AM »
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ISIS exploits security vacuum amid Turkish incursion, attacks Syrian Kurds
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ERBIL (Kurdistan 24) – The Islamic State has claimed responsibility for two attacks in northeast Syria against the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) on Wednesday, taking apparent advantage of a security vacuum caused by a Turkish cross-border attack on the SDF that began earlier in the day.

Female Islamic State supporters in the al-Hol camp, which holds nearly 69,000 women and children who are family members of suspected members of the extremist group, also burned their tents and tried to create chaos, a Kurdish security official said, confirming an earlier report by Middle East Eye news agency.

Amaq, the semi-official ISIS outlet claimed later wrote, “Trusting the highest God, the Caliphate’s soldier, brother Abu Adnan Al-Shami – may Allah accept him – yesterday managed to reach to the intelligence base of the PKK infidels within Shari’ Al-Noor neighborhood in Raqqa city center.”

Read more at: https://www.kurdistan24.net/en/news/0d97f37e-b24f-4b1b-b816-2293f03931e7

So, here, we see the Kurdistan News Agency itself and this is who it is, is calling them "Syrian Kurds".

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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #158 on: October 10, 2019, 11:34:07 AM »
So, here, we see the Kurdistan News Agency itself and this is who it is, is calling them "Syrian Kurds".

Where?  There's no place in what you posted where the words "Syrian Kurds" is used.
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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #159 on: October 10, 2019, 11:39:42 AM »

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The title of this thread is/was "Topic: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area  (Read 1488 times) "

How did that manage to morph into "DON THE ATTACK Boris Johnson clashed with Donald Trump over US decision to let Turkish forces invade Syria" ?

When did Trump become the Commander in Chief of Turkish forces? Or in a position to "LET them invade" anywhere?

UK is our ally. 

It certainly seems we went into Iraq in the first place, with them, the UK playing a key role.

This is a comprehensive thread. All related stories, that's what the purpose is.

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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #160 on: October 10, 2019, 11:41:31 AM »

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Israel strongly condemns the Turkish invasion of the Kurdish areas in Syria and warns against the ethnic cleansing of the Kurds by Turkey and its proxies.
Israel is prepared to extend humanitarian assistance to the gallant Kurdish people.
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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #161 on: October 10, 2019, 11:47:11 AM »
Where?  There's no place in what you posted where the words "Syrian Kurds" is used.
It's in the headline.  :shrug:
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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #162 on: October 10, 2019, 11:52:48 AM »
It's in the headline.  :shrug:

I stand corrected.  I was lookinga t the body of the story.

My apologies @TomSea  I was wrong.
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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #163 on: October 10, 2019, 01:32:09 PM »
"Syrian Kurds", this is all just journalism shorthand like calling someone "far right", "right wing", they may not be exactly correct terms but they are understood. Just because it's in a headline from even a Kurd news source, doesn't mean it's right but it is understood. "Kurds in Syria", what could be easier to understand. Maybe they are all Kurds of Kurdistan and Greater Kurdistan.

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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #164 on: October 10, 2019, 02:29:57 PM »
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US fails to condemn Turkey's Syria offensive at emergency UN Security Council Meeting along with Russia so resolution is not passed. Not only does Trump betray the Kurds, now votes against condemning Turkey with Russia! Absolutely shameful.

https://twitter.com/janetcalif/status/1182360796266811392

I want to see confirmation of this, I haven't seen proof, Wladimir was hesitant about it.
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Hard to get accurate casualties estimates with all sides inflating numbers.

Erdogan said 190 were killed from Kurdish forces but that number doesn’t match any other estimate. Most have ranged between 10-25

https://twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1182318916963635203

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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #166 on: October 10, 2019, 02:33:24 PM »
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Turkey’s Invasion of Kurdish-Controlled Syrian Territory Stalls as Soon as it Starts, But For How Long?
Andy TyborgUpdated 10.10.19 10:26AM ET / Published 10.10.19 5:36AM ET

This story was updated at 10:30 a.m. EDT, October 10, 2019.

GAZIANTEP, Turkey—What began with bluster at 10:37 Wednesday night following the Turkish defense ministry’s announcement of a ground incursion into Syria quickly failed to materialize. 

Turkey’s aerial bombardment had begun earlier in the afternoon and included a wave of large scale assaults on key border cities such as Tal Abyad, Ras al-Ain, Qamishli, and the border crossing at Darbasia, pushing a wave of people to flee the area.

But the large convoys of Turkish armored vehicles and the large Free Syrian Army (FSA) proxy force put together for the assault remained throughout the night on the Turkish side of the border.

Read more at: https://www.thedailybeast.com/turkeys-invasion-of-kurdish-controlled-syrian-territory-stalls-as-soon-as-it-starts-but-for-how-long

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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #167 on: October 10, 2019, 02:40:32 PM »
Short article:

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October 10, 2019 / 12:37 PM / Updated an hour ago
United States' U.N. envoy warns Turkey it faces 'consequences’ amid Syria assault

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NEW YORK (Reuters) - The United States’ envoy to the United Nations on Thursday warned Turkey it faced repercussions from its assault against Kurdish militias in northeastern Syria if it did not protect vulnerable populations or contain the Islamic State.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-security-turkey-usa-un-idUSKBN1WP2OB

So, this doesn't clear up anything either. Apparently we were scolding Turkey at the UN today.  Kelly Craft.

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Re: Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area
« Reply #168 on: October 10, 2019, 02:50:17 PM »
Thank you for posting all this information @TomSea .  You're creating a good resource for this very unfortunate (to say the least) situation.

For me, abandoning the Kurds is despicable after the support they have provided to US troops over the years.

They were one of the only glimmers of hope in the hell hole called the Middle East, and we just sacrificed them to the Islamic radical Turks.

Despicable.
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Erdogan threatens to release 3.6 million refugees into Europe if it calls offensive an 'occupation'
By Marty Johnson - 10/10/19 02:55 PM EDT

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan on Thursday said that if Europe describes Turkey's current military operation against Kurdish forces in Syria as an "occupation," then he will release nearly 4 million refugees into the continent, CNN reports.


In a speech from Ankara, Erdoğan said, "I will say this once again. If you try to label our current operation as an occupation, our job becomes easier, we will open the doors and send the 3.6 million refugees to you."

The U.N. Security Council met Thursday to discuss a potential response to Turkey's invasion of Syria.

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https://thehill.com/policy/international/europe/465258-turkeys-president-threatens-to-flood-europe-with-refugees-if-it
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Erdogan threatens to release 3.6 million refugees into Europe if it calls offensive an 'occupation'
By Marty Johnson - 10/10/19 02:55 PM EDT

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan on Thursday said that if Europe describes Turkey's current military operation against Kurdish forces in Syria as an "occupation," then he will release nearly 4 million refugees into the continent, CNN reports.


In a speech from Ankara, Erdoğan said, "I will say this once again. If you try to label our current operation as an occupation, our job becomes easier, we will open the doors and send the 3.6 million refugees to you."

The U.N. Security Council met Thursday to discuss a potential response to Turkey's invasion of Syria.

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https://thehill.com/policy/international/europe/465258-turkeys-president-threatens-to-flood-europe-with-refugees-if-it

Fits in perfectly with Trump's comments yesterday about where the ISIS fighters will go if they escape Kurdish control.
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The countries that border Turkey on the west side better start building fences and walls...!

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The best solution for us is to GET OUT OF THERE -- get out of all the muslim countries -- and let them "have at it" against each other.

The more force they use against one another, the more dead, the better.

Seal off the entire muslim world just as the Soviets encased Chernobyl in a "sarcophagus" by which to burn itself out.

Let islam do the same.

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This drama is getting out of hand.  No good will come from it.

That's awfully close to a "some people did something comment"...

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 This simple fact, that the US worked (and continues to work!) with the PKK, is by far the most important cause of the discord between Ankara and Washington. Yet in analysis after analysis, American experts either ignore it or downplay it. https://t.co/gMXLbt5pg8

Ragıp Soylu @ragipsoylu
For the first time in U.S. history, a US President acknowledges on the record that US worked with PKK; a designated terror group by the State Department. While that cooperation was ongoing in 2015, a string of PKK suicide attacks killed 100s in Turkey pic.twitter.com/tj4JdreTWh

https://twitter.com/Doranimated/status/1182205199768866819

Above just highlights some of the factors at play here,  Turkey has a point-of-view, I think most of it is wrong but they have legitimate concerns and how about this, there were negotiations over this "Safe Zone".
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Turkey not satisfied by U.S. proposal for safe zone in northern Syria

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu on Wednesday said Turkey was running out of patience with the United States in talks to set up what it calls a safe zone in northern Syria and remove Syrian Kurdish force the area.

Çavuşoğlu’s comments follow three days of talks between Turkish and U.S. officials on Syria. The U.S. envoy for Syria, James Jeffrey, arrived in the Turkish capital Ankara over the weekend to discuss the long-planned zone, east of the River Euphrates.

Turkey wants a safe zone at least 30 km deep with Turkish forces in full control, while the United States favours a 10 km-deep area with no permanent Turkish troop presence. The zone is meant to provide a buffer between Turkey and parts of northern Syria controlled by the Syrian Kurdish forces of the People’s Protection Units (YPG).

https://ahvalnews.com/safe-zone/turkey-not-satisfied-us-proposal-safe-zone-northern-syria



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