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A question for folks:   Would you be in favor of a VAT or a Warren-style wealth tax if, and only if, the proceeds were used to bring the deficit into balance?   
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A question for folks:   Would you be in favor of a VAT or a Warren-style wealth tax if, and only if, the proceeds were used to bring the deficit into balance?

HELL no.   Cut the friggin spending for a shocking and refreshing change.

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A question for folks:   Would you be in favor of a VAT or a Warren-style wealth tax if, and only if, the proceeds were used to bring the deficit into balance?

Actually a VAT wouldn't be a bad idea if it replaces the income tax, which would probably never happen.

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A question for folks:   Would you be in favor of a VAT or a Warren-style wealth tax if, and only if, the proceeds were used to bring the deficit into balance?
NO. The problem is spending. Everyone here has to bring their spending into line with their income or resources. We neither have the power to tax, nor print 'money'.

Besides, any attempt to pay off the debt would be matched by an equal or even greater amount of deficit spending.
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Actually a VAT wouldn't be a bad idea if it replaces the income tax, which would probably never happen.

Nah.   The Commiecrats want to 'add' a VAT tax on top of the income tax.   You know how they are.
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No. I would be in favor of shutting off access to our country to 3rd worlders and anyone else who doesn't have job skills in demand here. You either immigrate to America as an asset,or you don't get in.

I would also shut off welfare as a career field with early retirement as soon as you squat and push out a baby. MANDATORY birth control for every female on welfare that is of child bearing years,and any welfare recipients that is found guilty of a felony while living in public housing is given the boot and having their checks cut off.

Able-bodied welfare residents should be required to cut grass,paint,and do any other similar jobs that need to be done in the housing development where they live.

No children over 16 should be allowed to remain in public housing if they quit school,or are kicked out for misbehavior.

While we are at it,we need to take a serious look at the "welfare for corporate farmers" programs,and similar programs for other corporate favorites.

And all of this is barely scraping the surface.I am sure there are other programs sucking us dry that I have never heard of.

It's not that we spent too much money as it is we MISSPENT too much money.
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Schlapp repeatedly pressed Cuomo to “name the crime” that would be listed on the articles of impeachment for President Donald Trump. “There’s no need for a crime,” Cuomo responded.

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HELL no.   Cut the friggin spending for a shocking and refreshing change.

Well, that's not going to happen,  especially with Trump as President.   (I support Mark Sanford and you don't, so don't give me grief about that statement)

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So the Dems (and Trump)  won't cut spending, and Republicans don't want to add new taxes.   So deficits will keep blooming like kudzu. 

Sanford says we may not last another 10 years at this rate.  And he may be right.   
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Well, that's not going to happen,  especially with Trump as President.   (I support Mark Sanford and you don't, so don't give me grief about that statement)

Only 16% of the current budget is non-defense non-mandatory discretionary spending. This is the dough congressmen and women use to get themselves re-elected.

I'm really interested to know how Mark Sanford, or Trump, or any president gets around the budget shutdown tactic to cut any of the fraction of the budget available to cut.

Whats the plan? Will Sanford win congress over with his dynamic personality?
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So the Dems (and Trump)  won't cut spending, and Republicans don't want to add new taxes.   So deficits will keep blooming like kudzu. 

Sanford says we may not last another 10 years at this rate.  And he may be right.

 :shrug:

The US government prints it's own money. Yeah we spend irresponsibly but so does nearly every other nation on earth.

It's not right, nor is it benefitial to the people, but I don't think "we won't last".

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:shrug:

The US government prints it's own money. Yeah we spend irresponsibly but so does nearly every other nation on earth.

It's not right, nor is it benefitial to the people, but I don't think "we won't last".
The US Government prints Federal Reserve Notes. If you read the fine print, "This note is legal tender for all debts, public and private and is redeemable in lawful money at the United States Treasury or any Federal Reserve Bank".
They are not even redeemable any more. It's like passing around IOUs


They haven't printed money since United States Notes and Silver Certificates, which were redeemable in lawful money.

United States Notes were a direct issuance of debt, by the Government. (No interest).


Silver certificates were redeemable in silver coin. (Gold certificates were redeemable in gold coin, but banned at the same time private ownership of gold was, in the 30s)
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A question for folks:   Would you be in favor of a VAT or a Warren-style wealth tax if, and only if, the proceeds were used to bring the deficit into balance?

Nope.  Becasue the budget never gets balanced.  All you're doing is giving tax and spend politicians a new tax to take more money from our pockets and give to people who are either here illegally or too lazy to work on their own.

Germany thought the VAT tax was a good idea when it was ontroducced too...back when it was only around 4%...now it's at 19% and it's a tax on everything from groceries to furniture to your utilties.

I expect the drunken sailor spending pols on both sides of the aisle would abuse a VAT tax in the states as well.
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A question for folks:   Would you be in favor of a VAT or a Warren-style wealth tax if, and only if, the proceeds were used to bring the deficit into balance?

NO. The problem is spending. Everyone here has to bring their spending into line with their income or resources. We neither have the power to tax, nor print 'money'.

Besides, any attempt to pay off the debt would be matched by an equal or even greater amount of deficit spending.

Truth.

The bottom line is that government cannot bring in more than 19% of GDP no matter what the tax rate is.  So as long as government insists on spending more than 19% of GDP on government, we will have a deficit. 

The first thing to do is to get rid of baseline budgeting.  This is one the President can do on his own without Congress.
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I will join the chorus.

While I am greatly in favor of replacing income tax with VAT (flat tax/ Fair tax) at the retail level, allowing both income and vat will just increase taxes and provide yet another avenue that will grow exponentially.

Taxing income or savings (or property for that matter) causes less participation.
Taxing spending is the only moral neutral, providing housing, medical and food remain un-taxed.

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A recent major poll indicated that Trump had 95% support with Republicans.

I confess to supporting Perot in 199, then grew the ef up politically.

As did I.  Many here do not realize that after Perot got a nice chunk of the vote, the Rs and Ds got together and passed new requirements for third party nominations...they exempted themselves, of course.  It is next to impossible for a third to get the nomination.  Impossible. 

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As did I.  Many here do not realize that after Perot got a nice chunk of the vote, the Rs and Ds got together and passed new requirements for third party nominations...they exempted themselves, of course.  It is next to impossible for a third to get the nomination.  Impossible.

So what? If the only way my vote 'counts' is to vote for one of the two liberal main parties, then it ain't no different than staying home... Other than the eventuality of enough people taking the time and initiative to grow another party to the strength necessary to compete with the two liberal parties.

And that is the ONLY thing keeping me from staying home anyway. It certainly does not mean I have to vote for one or the other.

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Reports of the public sector wanting impeachment is growing and Romney is rallying support for impeachment in the Senate. As I've stated several times, Trump cannot rely on a safety net in the Senate.   
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Reports of the public sector wanting impeachment is growing and Romney is rallying support for impeachment in the Senate. As I've stated several times, Trump cannot rely on a safety net in the Senate.

Enough of this.

Let's do the full Impeachment, right now!  Today...start a vote in the House.   Need to get this finished by January.

Then let the effing Senate Republicans vote to convict.

I will guaran-freaking-tee you that Pres. Trump could then quit the Party and run as an Independent.

And STILL carry 45 States.
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Enough of this.

Let's do the full Impeachment, right now!  Today...start a vote in the House.   Need to get this finished by January.

Then let the effing Senate Republicans vote to convict.

I will guaran-freaking-tee you that Pres. Trump could then quit the Party and run as an Independent.

And STILL carry 45 States.



He would have to step down as President in order to do so and Pence would become President.  Trump would then have to qualify and get on the ballot on all 50 states .... something tells me that he wouldn't qualify.
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Enough of this.

Let's do the full Impeachment, right now!  Today...start a vote in the House.   Need to get this finished by January.

Then let the effing Senate Republicans vote to convict.

I will guaran-freaking-tee you that Pres. Trump could then quit the Party and run as an Independent.

And STILL carry 45 States.

They will, just as soon as the rats figure out how to avoid allowing the republicans right to call witnesses and of cross examination.

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Enough of this.

Let's do the full Impeachment, right now!  Today...start a vote in the House.   Need to get this finished by January.

Then let the effing Senate Republicans vote to convict.

I will guaran-freaking-tee you that Pres. Trump could then quit the Party and run as an Independent.

And STILL carry 45 States.
If the Senate votes to convict, they can also vote to disqualify him from ever seeking a federal office again.
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If the Senate votes to convict, they can also vote to disqualify him from ever seeking a federal office again.

No one needs to worry about that. The republican Senate wouldn’t dare convict Trump on such flimsy, trumped-up charges.

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No one needs to worry about that. The republican Senate wouldn’t dare convict Trump on such flimsy, trumped-up charges.

I'm afraid soon no one will stop and consider just how effing ridiculous those charges are.

Trump, in trouble for encouraging a foreign leader to investigate obvious past corruption involving US politicians. It would be hilarious if it weren't some damned infuriating. Its like impeaching Sam Ervin for investigating Watergate.
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NO. The problem is spending. Everyone here has to bring their spending into line with their income or resources. We neither have the power to tax, nor print 'money'.

Besides, any attempt to pay off the debt would be matched by an equal or even greater amount of deficit spending.

Politicians gain both power and votes when they provide "free" goodies at someone else's expense. The more than can get their hands on the more power they gain. For most, power also brings them wealth. The fatal flaw in the constitution is not limiting this ability to spend at someone else's expense. That someone else always being a minority of the vote or pushed as a future debt.

It is the wolves voting for what's for dinner.

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Enough of this.

Let's do the full Impeachment, right now!  Today...start a vote in the House.   Need to get this finished by January.

Then let the effing Senate Republicans vote to convict.

I will guaran-freaking-tee you that Pres. Trump could then quit the Party and run as an Independent.

And STILL carry 45 States.

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I dunno about that,but I do suspect that most of the alleged Republicans that voted to impeach him would lose their re-election bids.

Which is why there is no way in hell such a vote is going to be given.

The truth is even the few sane Dims aren't serious about this. It's just a ploy to cloud the facts before an election so they  can hope to win the unaffiliated votes. It's all they have,so they are going to go for it.
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Schlapp repeatedly pressed Cuomo to “name the crime” that would be listed on the articles of impeachment for President Donald Trump. “There’s no need for a crime,” Cuomo responded.


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