Author Topic: Trump’s removal would require Republican dissidents. But those who speak out become targets of viral  (Read 2876 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Online catfish1957

  • Ultra-Conservative in exile.
  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 7,879

 :yowsa:

And never in my long life and political thinking would I ever believe that a Donald J. Trump would be the most "viable"

It's a Twilight Zone / Outer Limits scenario episode on steroids.   Wish WFB was alive to comment, he might throw out a few asteriks to that quote.
« Last Edit: October 05, 2019, 11:31:51 AM by catfish1957 »
I display the Confederate Battle Flag in honor of my great great great grandfathers who spilled blood at Wilson's Creek and Shiloh.  5 others served in the WBTS with honor too.

Online skeeter

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 14,587
The great William F Buckley laid it all out with common sense AND intellectual honesty....."support the rightwardmost viable candidate".

The greatest peawit ever born can see that the ONLY person fitting that criteria right now is President Trump. You can opine for Pat Robertson all you want...or Mitt Romney...or Jeb Bush...or Ted Cruz...but none of them meet the Buckley rule for viability. As Trump has governed more conservatively than ANY Republican since well before Reagan...the choice is obvious to any one who understands the danger of what the Left is attempting to foist on this nation.

Now, I realize some of you consider yourselves smarter than Buckley, more moral than Mother Theresa, and more pure than Joan of Arc...but the rest of us can't hide behind that perfect moral narcissism that you wear as a rationale for sitting on your ass and letting the Left take over the nation. We can't sit on our hands and shout "a pox on both your houses" and pretend that the most conservative President of our lifetimes is "no different" from Rashida Tlaib, AOC and Elizabeth Warren.

No, the rest of us feel obligated to actually fight to stop this DNC-Lib tidal wave and though we may dislike much about the demeanor and crudity of President Trump (at times)...we also know that you don't charge into combat with a squad of "socialites, compassionate sweethearts, intellectuals and evangelist pastors" at your side. You bring fighters to a fight...and for the love of God...it should be obvious to you by now that President Trump/Conservatives...and yes those two things are now in common cause...are engaged in a fight with Socialists for the soul of the Republic.

If you're too holier than thou, or too wrapped in your own "only a perfect conservative Preacher is good enough for me"...to fight, along with the 90% of conservatives who ARE fighting for their beliefs, than you have become little more than useful idiots of the Left. When they come for the rest of us with their speech police and re-education camps, perhaps they'll leave you alone for a little longer in gratitude.

Undermining the President is, of course, your right...because you still reside in a country the rest of us are fighting to keep free. I fully realize nothing I can say will change your minds...that's not the point of this rant. The point, for God's sakes, is quit pretending that your actions reflect some form of integrity or commitment to conservatism...that's a self serving fantasy. No, your actions...and those of the Romney's, Bush's, George Will's and others are little more than self-indulgence and narcissism...pure ego.

This needs to be cut and saved & pasted on each of these tiresome threads. Geez louise.

Online DB

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 6,164
The great William F Buckley laid it all out with common sense AND intellectual honesty....."support the rightwardmost viable candidate".

The greatest peawit ever born can see that the ONLY person fitting that criteria right now is President Trump. You can opine for Pat Robertson all you want...or Mitt Romney...or Jeb Bush...or Ted Cruz...but none of them meet the Buckley rule for viability. As Trump has governed more conservatively than ANY Republican since well before Reagan...the choice is obvious to any one who understands the danger of what the Left is attempting to foist on this nation.

Now, I realize some of you consider yourselves smarter than Buckley, more moral than Mother Theresa, and more pure than Joan of Arc...but the rest of us can't hide behind that perfect moral narcissism that you wear as a rationale for sitting on your ass and letting the Left take over the nation. We can't sit on our hands and shout "a pox on both your houses" and pretend that the most conservative President of our lifetimes is "no different" from Rashida Tlaib, AOC and Elizabeth Warren.

No, the rest of us feel obligated to actually fight to stop this DNC-Lib tidal wave and though we may dislike much about the demeanor and crudity of President Trump (at times)...we also know that you don't charge into combat with a squad of "socialites, compassionate sweethearts, intellectuals and evangelist pastors" at your side. You bring fighters to a fight...and for the love of God...it should be obvious to you by now that President Trump/Conservatives...and yes those two things are now in common cause...are engaged in a fight with Socialists for the soul of the Republic.

If you're too holier than thou, or too wrapped in your own "only a perfect conservative Preacher is good enough for me"...to fight, along with the 90% of conservatives who ARE fighting for their beliefs, than you have become little more than useful idiots of the Left. When they come for the rest of us with their speech police and re-education camps, perhaps they'll leave you alone for a little longer in gratitude.

Undermining the President is, of course, your right...because you still reside in a country the rest of us are fighting to keep free. I fully realize nothing I can say will change your minds...that's not the point of this rant. The point, for God's sakes, is quit pretending that your actions reflect some form of integrity or commitment to conservatism...that's a self serving fantasy. No, your actions...and those of the Romney's, Bush's, George Will's and others are little more than self-indulgence and narcissism...pure ego.

Yet here we are crumbling away... Accepting evil by voting in fear of the greater evil... The slippery slope to a lost Constitutional Republic... Constitutional rights dying one chip at a time embraced by both parties, just one to lesser degree... And that we are told is what we should fight for. A fight that has already been surrendered to block a larger surrender...

Offline Sanguine

  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 36,040
This needs to be cut and saved & pasted on each of these tiresome threads. Geez louise.

Yes, it should.
"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials." – George Mason, Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 1788

“Do right and risk the consequences.”
– Sam Houston

Offline jpsb

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 5,014
I don't have a party anymore. Was a Republican for nearly 40 years voting for Reagan in my first presidential election. Since Reagan the only vote for president I didn't have to hold my nose for was Steve Forbes in the primary. Its been all down hill from there.

No more.

May your chains fit less tightly as you vote for your lesser evil.

I liked Steve Forbes and even sent him some money. I knew W was a empty suit phony, I tried to warn everyone.  Steve would have
been a much better president then that neocon Bush. Oh and I am very proud of my vote for Trump and I even sent him some money in
2016 and I'll do that again in 2020.

Online austingirl

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 8,528
  • Cruz 2016- a Constitutional Conservative at last!
This needs to be cut and saved & pasted on each of these tiresome threads. Geez louise.

Great idea!
Principles matter. Words matter.

Offline jpsb

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 5,014
.... It will be the endless fix of the next election being the "most important in our lifetimes", bla, bla, bla... ....
To stop empowering those who mean you "lesser" harm.

If you have not noticed that the Democrats have morphed into full flown communists that intend to take over the country anyway they can
and that the only one standing in their way is President Trump than there is no helping you. Today's Democrats are not your father's
Democrats.

Online catfish1957

  • Ultra-Conservative in exile.
  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 7,879
If you have not noticed that the Democrats have morphed into full flown communists that intend to take over the country anyway they can
and that the only one standing in their way is President Trump than there is no helping you. Today's Democrats are not your father's
Democrats.

That is why as badly as I dislike Trump, I will dress up in November 2020, and vote for him. 

I display the Confederate Battle Flag in honor of my great great great grandfathers who spilled blood at Wilson's Creek and Shiloh.  5 others served in the WBTS with honor too.

Offline corbe

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 20,194
  • I hate nothing, not even OUR President
@corbe, is it more important to tout our conservative credentials and beat Trump over the head with them, or to fight the evil forces that the democrats represent? It's a very simple question and the response tells us what we should be doing and what we're wasting time on. 

   The latter is the most important, of course, @Sanguine~Beat the evil forces.  It's just that sometimes I can't see the Good in the GOP/Trump brand anymore, it seems utter chaos and drama, more often than not-self inflicted.
No government in the 6,000 years of modern mankind history has led its people into anything but the history books with a simple lesson, don't let this happen to you.

Offline jpsb

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 5,014
That is why as badly as I dislike Trump, I will dress up in November 2020, and vote for him. 



As much as I dislike W I too voted for him. The only GOP candidate I could not bring myself to vote for was Amnesty McCain. That dear
GOP was simply a bridge to far for me, since securing the border and sending illegals home is my number 1 issue.

Online skeeter

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 14,587
   The latter is the most important, of course, @Sanguine~Beat the evil forces.  It's just that sometimes I can't see the Good in the GOP/Trump brand anymore, it seems utter chaos and drama, more often than not-self inflicted.

After winnowing out the chaos & drama manufactured by the left & rat media I just don't see it.

Offline corbe

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 20,194
  • I hate nothing, not even OUR President
   For the sake of non argument @skeeter I'll just admit that a bit of my TDS is showing.  But talking to Foreign Leaders about investigating your political opponents AND getting caught is just beyond stupid and every time I hear a Trumper say 'well hellary or obummer did it too' I want to pull my hair out.
No government in the 6,000 years of modern mankind history has led its people into anything but the history books with a simple lesson, don't let this happen to you.

Offline Sanguine

  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 36,040
That is why as badly as I dislike Trump, I will dress up in November 2020, and vote for him. 



 888high58888
"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials." – George Mason, Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 1788

“Do right and risk the consequences.”
– Sam Houston

Offline Sanguine

  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 36,040
   For the sake of non argument @skeeter I'll just admit that a bit of my TDS is showing.  But talking to Foreign Leaders about investigating your political opponents AND getting caught is just beyond stupid and every time I hear a Trumper say 'well hellary or obummer did it too' I want to pull my hair out.

Good grief, @corbe - do you think Biden shouldn't be investigated?  And, if that's not what you think, how do you think we/them should go about getting him investigated?  Remember, there were several investigations, trials and convictions re: Burisma in Ukraine.  What the hell is wrong with asking for information, and doing so with a treaty that covers it in place?  And, also, remember, at the time of this call, Biden had not announced his candidacy, so was technically not a candidate.  I really don't understand the complaints.
"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials." – George Mason, Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 1788

“Do right and risk the consequences.”
– Sam Houston

Offline Mesaclone

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 2,474
   For the sake of non argument @skeeter I'll just admit that a bit of my TDS is showing.  But talking to Foreign Leaders about investigating your political opponents AND getting caught is just beyond stupid and every time I hear a Trumper say 'well hellary or obummer did it too' I want to pull my hair out.

If the Dems corrupt acts in the 2016 campaign AND Biden's nepotistic behavior were epicentered in the Ukraine...and they were...talking to the Ukrainians about it seems like the ONLY rational action. Its become clear there was no quid pro quo, so what law was violated in asking one nation to investigate a corruption case that was...literally...part of election interference and a coup'de'etat attempt in the United States? How else would these things be investigated if not at the behest of the Ukrainian President?

Online skeeter

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 14,587
   For the sake of non argument @skeeter I'll just admit that a bit of my TDS is showing.  But talking to Foreign Leaders about investigating your political opponents AND getting caught is just beyond stupid and every time I hear a Trumper say 'well hellary or obummer did it too' I want to pull my hair out.

Thats really not what happened, @corbe.

And, with all due respect, this attitude is indicative of the old GOP and is why I'm so glad we've moved on - allowing the left to hold them by the nose while kicking their ass. Hillary and Obama DID do what they are accusing Trump of doing, while Trump did absolutely nothing illegal or even untoward.

The GOP, FBI or CIA won't do anything about it so Trump is. I'm OK with it.
« Last Edit: October 05, 2019, 12:38:38 PM by skeeter »

Offline jpsb

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 5,014
   For the sake of non argument @skeeter I'll just admit that a bit of my TDS is showing.  But talking to Foreign Leaders about investigating your political opponents AND getting caught is just beyond stupid and every time I hear a Trumper say 'well hellary or obummer did it too' I want to pull my hair out.

@corbe

Perhaps you can answer the question I had for Romney?

Perhaps Mutt can explain why an energy company in the Ukraine would pay Hunter Beden nearly $90,000 a MONTH to be on it's board.
Recalling that Hunter Beden has zero experience in energy and zero knowledge of the Ukraine. Oh and this was shortly after the U.S.
Navy booted him out for using cocaine.  So Mutt, why did they hire Hunter?


I am looking forward to reading your answer.
« Last Edit: October 05, 2019, 12:38:46 PM by jpsb »

Offline corbe

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 20,194
  • I hate nothing, not even OUR President
   Yes, @Sanguine Biden should be investigated, as well as obummer, hellary, holder, lynch, kerry they are all a bunch of snakes.  What I have trouble wrapping my head around is that with all the tools in his toolbox as POTUS, he feels he must resort to asking Foreign Leaders to do it.
No government in the 6,000 years of modern mankind history has led its people into anything but the history books with a simple lesson, don't let this happen to you.

Offline Sanguine

  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 36,040
   Yes, @Sanguine Biden should be investigated, as well as obummer, hellary, holder, lynch, kerry they are all a bunch of snakes.  What I have trouble wrapping my head around is that with all the tools in his toolbox as POTUS, he feels he must resort to asking Foreign Leaders to do it.

Wasn't that where the information was?  And, what is wrong with asking a foreign leader?  Sorry, I'm being dense, but I don't get it.
"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials." – George Mason, Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 1788

“Do right and risk the consequences.”
– Sam Houston

Offline jpsb

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 5,014
   Yes, @Sanguine Biden should be investigated, as well as obummer, hellary, holder, lynch, kerry they are all a bunch of snakes.  What I have trouble wrapping my head around is that with all the tools in his toolbox as POTUS, he feels he must resort to asking Foreign Leaders to do it.

You do know that we have a treaty with the Ukraine and that treaty requires us to help them with their corruption and they are required to help us with ours. So what is wrong with asking them (Ukraine) for help investigating the Bidens?

Offline corbe

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 20,194
  • I hate nothing, not even OUR President
   I've never seen you dense @Sanguine more likely it's just a bit of stubbornness on my part.  As things stand today, I too will be voting for Trump in 2020, butthurt and all.
No government in the 6,000 years of modern mankind history has led its people into anything but the history books with a simple lesson, don't let this happen to you.

Online DB

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 6,164
Wasn't that where the information was?  And, what is wrong with asking a foreign leader?  Sorry, I'm being dense, but I don't get it.

If it is true that the previous US administration blackmailed the Ukraine into not investigating serious corruption in their country involving the US vice president's son then I believe it is entirely appropriate to reverse that as a point of fundamental policy by the US government.

Offline Sanguine

  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 36,040
If it is true that the previous US administration blackmailed the Ukraine into not investigating serious corruption in their country involving the US vice president's son then I believe it is entirely appropriate to reverse that as a point of fundamental policy by the US government.

Not sure what you're saying here.
"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials." – George Mason, Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 1788

“Do right and risk the consequences.”
– Sam Houston

Offline Sanguine

  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 36,040
   I've never seen you dense @Sanguine more likely it's just a bit of stubbornness on my part.  As things stand today, I too will be voting for Trump in 2020, butthurt and all.

Thanks, Corbe.  Good to know.

And, that stubbornness is counter-productive right now, IMHO.
"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials." – George Mason, Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 1788

“Do right and risk the consequences.”
– Sam Houston

Offline Sanguine

  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 36,040
   I've never seen you dense @Sanguine more likely it's just a bit of stubbornness on my part.  As things stand today, I too will be voting for Trump in 2020, butthurt and all.

Thanks, Corbe.  Good to know.

And, that stubbornness is counter-productive right now, IMHO.
"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials." – George Mason, Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 1788

“Do right and risk the consequences.”
– Sam Houston


Share me

Digg  Facebook  SlashDot  Delicious  Technorati  Twitter  Google  Yahoo
Smf