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Which Opponent Gives Trump the most Trouble in 2020?

Warren
14 (31.8%)
Biden
7 (15.9%)
Sanders
4 (9.1%)
Booker
0 (0%)
Harris
0 (0%)
Castro
2 (4.5%)
hellary
3 (6.8%)
All of the Above
2 (4.5%)
None of the Above
12 (27.3%)

Total Members Voted: 34

Voting closed: November 03, 2019, 12:21:20 AM

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Which Opponent Gives Trump the most Trouble in 2020?
« on: October 04, 2019, 12:21:20 AM »
   Like a good 2 slice toaster in the morning, with Sanders sipping soup on his deathbed and the Ukraine thing about to blow back on Biden.
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Re: Which Opponent Gives Trump the most Trouble in 2020?
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2019, 12:52:13 AM »
Biden will never be the candidate, even before the Ukraine corruption scandal manifested itself
Sanders, taken down by Fauxcahontas.  She is a shill for Clinton, whose sole purpose was to block out Sanders..  Mission accomplished, even prior to his heart issues.
Harris and Booker....please, get real.  Light weight city
Castro...perhaps another Clinton shill to dilute Sanders
Buttigieg...maybe the Twilight Zone is real...maybe


2020    Trump vs Clinton

...count on it!

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Re: Which Opponent Gives Trump the most Trouble in 2020?
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2019, 01:32:41 AM »
The one that appears when Trump looks at a mirror!!!!!

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Re: Which Opponent Gives Trump the most Trouble in 2020?
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2019, 10:58:16 AM »
Williamson wasn't on the list. Until Dorian she was - I'm serious - sounding the least loony of the bunch.
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Re: Which Opponent Gives Trump the most Trouble in 2020?
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2019, 11:00:45 AM »
Biden will never be the candidate, even before the Ukraine corruption scandal manifested itself
Sanders, taken down by Fauxcahontas.  She is a shill for Clinton, whose sole purpose was to block out Sanders..  Mission accomplished, even prior to his heart issues.
Harris and Booker....please, get real.  Light weight city
Castro...perhaps another Clinton shill to dilute Sanders
Buttigieg...maybe the Twilight Zone is real...maybe


2020    Trump vs Clinton

...count on it!

And if she thinks what she got in 2016 is something she hasn't seen anything yet!

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Re: Which Opponent Gives Trump the most Trouble in 2020?
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2019, 11:03:18 AM »
Biden will never be the candidate, even before the Ukraine corruption scandal manifested itself
Sanders, taken down by Fauxcahontas.  She is a shill for Clinton, whose sole purpose was to block out Sanders..  Mission accomplished, even prior to his heart issues.
Harris and Booker....please, get real.  Light weight city
Castro...perhaps another Clinton shill to dilute Sanders
Buttigieg...maybe the Twilight Zone is real...maybe


2020    Trump vs Clinton

...count on it!

It'll be Clinton, who'll be just as electable as she was the last time. The determiner will be the energy generated by the thirst for revenge from her supporters and how it will influence the middle of the roaders.

I'm thinking they'll find it repelling.

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Re: Which Opponent Gives Trump the most Trouble in 2020?
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2019, 11:13:23 AM »
The Media

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Re: Which Opponent Gives Trump the most Trouble in 2020?
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2019, 11:16:38 AM »
The Media

Ding! Ding! Ding!  We have a winner here folks! No more calls please!

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Re: Which Opponent Gives Trump the most Trouble in 2020?
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2019, 11:25:56 AM »
No more calls please!

@Bigun Ha!  It wasn't my plan to blow up the poll.  Sorry @corbe.

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Re: Which Opponent Gives Trump the most Trouble in 2020?
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2019, 12:05:32 PM »
Right now, Trump is his own worst enemy and he will give himself the most trouble in 2020.

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Re: Which Opponent Gives Trump the most Trouble in 2020?
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2019, 12:14:10 PM »
Right now, Trump is his own worst enemy and he will give himself the most trouble in 2020.

You are perfectly free to continue to believe that if you want but it won't make it so.

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Re: Which Opponent Gives Trump the most Trouble in 2020?
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2019, 12:46:03 PM »
You are perfectly free to continue to believe that if you want but it won't make it so.

And you re perfectly free to believe that all of Trump' woes are the result of a "witch hunt" or a "coup" being perpetrated by the Democrats, the "Deep State." George Soros or whoever the "enemy of the state" du jour is today.

Up till now Trump had managed to BS his way out of every jam, but I'm not so sure that is working anymore.  Except for his most fervent supporters, others, including those who voted for him in 2016, are looking at him a little differently and maybe they are not so impressed with him and his baloney anymore.  They may very well believe he has done something worthy of impeachment and Trump's efforts to spin his troubles by lashing out on Twitter and blaming everyone else are not working with them.  Perhaps if Trump had actually made some effort to do a lot of good as president, these voters might be ok with the drama and horse manure.  But I believe they are looking at him differently now and they may decide he's not worth their support. 

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Re: Which Opponent Gives Trump the most Trouble in 2020?
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2019, 03:18:07 PM »
An observation/reflection.
The catalyst behind the Trump wealth was his father, certainly not Donald.
Those who mature in such an environment are shielded from the working
class world and unable to understand the perspective of plain people.
He became a creature of the Hollywood entertainment posse for some 20
years presenting Ms. Universe and Ms. USA while later, some 15 years
headlining The Apprentice where he was surrounded and coddled by
squads of flunky's, lackeys and bum kissers; the behavioral norm, which
has nothing to do w/the world of the remaining 99.9% of the citizens.
Is it any wonder he behaves as he does w/his brainless tweets, his rants,
his smirks and all the rest of his daily antics.
Current polling is more than a year premature and meaningless.
The core and only question is whether or not Trump has/will exasperate
his welcome w/the majority of the voters by 11/20!!!!



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Re: Which Opponent Gives Trump the most Trouble in 2020?
« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2019, 04:09:51 PM »
Let's see...
- Biden: expert in politics, 44 years experience, one of the last of the Rockefeller Republicans in his early career, liberal but pragmatic and not nearly as far left as the rest of the field. Being Obama's VP helps in certain elements of the base. The Ukraine attacks aren't sticking and somehow it got turned around against Trump. (Funny how the left doesn't mind doing underhanded things but screams bloody murder when they get caught.)
- Warren: far left, has a few populist veins but seems to be even less likable than Clinton was. Underperforms compared to other Democrats in the election record. If I'm Trump, I'm begging the DNC to nominate her.
- Sanders: In '16, I'd've said he might have been a real threat. He's a master at packaging socialism as something that looks nice (we all know it's not, but his base will never admit it). But now he's 80. His health is starting to fail, as we saw this week. Father Time might be the biggest threat he faces.
- The rest of the field: they stand no chance. Harris is too far left to be credible with the center but too corrupt to have credibility with the left. Booker might be a sleeper but he's got catching up to do. Buttigieg isn't going to get very far with his raison-d'etre being "I'm gay, and all you Christians are bigots." Bobby O'Rourke has flamed out. Yang is this year's Ron Paul: cult following on the Internet (I mean, who doesn't want free money?) that won't translate to the polls (when they realize you can't just take people's stocks and redistribute them like cash). The rest have no traction: Klobuchar might stand a faint chance in her home state of Minnesota, but other than that, I don't see the rest of the field even standing a chance at taking one state, much less the nomination.
- Hillary: Losing to Trump the first time around ruined her reputation. Anyone who thinks she's still a threat is stuck in the past.

I still say Biden is the biggest general election threat of the field.
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Re: Which Opponent Gives Trump the most Trouble in 2020?
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2019, 05:50:36 PM »
But if I were to venture ANY potential threat to Trump's re-elections, it would be some sort of labor market collapse on the order of what happened in 2008. He got elected on jobs, jobs, jobs. If the jobs disappear, he'll be toast.
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Re: Which Opponent Gives Trump the most Trouble in 2020?
« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2019, 09:30:09 AM »
But if I were to venture ANY potential threat to Trump's re-elections, it would be some sort of labor market collapse on the order of what happened in 2008. He got elected on jobs, jobs, jobs. If the jobs disappear, he'll be toast.

??? Trump did NOT get elected on jobs.  What he got elected on is building the wall, limiting granting asylum to refugees, revamping immigration laws and draining the swamp.  In that aspect the accomplishments have been slow and in part due to the obstruction by the left.

Yes, indeed he has turned the economy around and brought jobs which has been his saving grace and to his credit. The U.S. is experiencing its lowest unemployment rates in 50 years and in the case of Blacks and Hispanics, the lowest rates in history. The latest economic data indicates that there is no indication of a recession, though the left has been trying to get people to believe otherwise.

Meanwhile ... the focus is on impeachment and the Ukraine and we hear very little on what's happening with the 2A.  That I believe would be his true death sentence if he does anything to interfere with rights under the 2A.

We also at this point are assuming that he will not be impeached nor removed from office.
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Re: Which Opponent Gives Trump the most Trouble in 2020?
« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2019, 12:00:26 PM »
President Trump has worked diligently to accomplish his promises from the campaign in 2016, with both parties working actively against him.  Romney and Lee introduced legislation to stop him from using money budgeted for DOD for the wall.  Both parties have worked against him since day one.  Despite the opposition, he plods along pushing his agenda.

I believe the American people see just how much resistance he is facing, and they will vote for him overwhelmingly in Nov, 2020.  Clinton will be the opponent in 2020.  Biden stands no chance against her.  Sanders has been diluted with Warren, Castro and others, and he will not hinder Clinton.  Look for Warren to be a key player in HRC's administration, should HRC win.  She won't, for Trump will take 40 states in 2020.

Biden was done before the Ukraine scandal was manifested.  DONE!  So too was Sanders.  And Warren is a shill for HRC, believe me.  She never stood a chance against Trump.  Her role was to take out Sanders.  All choreographed for your entertainment.

It will be TRUMP vs CLINTON

....get used to it.

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Re: Which Opponent Gives Trump the most Trouble in 2020?
« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2019, 05:14:09 PM »
President Trump has worked diligently to accomplish his promises from the campaign in 2016, with both parties working actively against him.  Romney and Lee introduced legislation to stop him from using money budgeted for DOD for the wall.  Both parties have worked against him since day one.  Despite the opposition, he plods along pushing his agenda. 

Of course, nothing that goes wrong or doesn't get done is ever Trump's fault.  Always someone else's.  Seems to me I recall almost from the beginning , he bitched and moaned about his own  party.  He made it clear he had no intention of working with Republicans in congress.  And he didn't.  He tried executive orders which were mostly struck down by the courts.  The couple of times I know of when he did meet with congress, he threw a temper tantrum and stormed out.  This is the supposedly brilliant businessman -- the Art of the Deal expert -- but it seems he couldn't negotiate his way out of a paper bag.    Mostly because he really didn't want to.

Looks to me like for the most part he spent much of the last three years, tweeting insults, golfing and running around the country on his never-ending rock star tour.  Yes, I know he has to wait for congress to pass legislation, but as president, he should have had some influence -- the ability to sit down with congressional party leadership and work toward moving the supposed Republican agenda forward.  He didn't. 

And for two years, Trump had a Republican majority in both houses of congress.  A slim majority I know, but still something should have been accomplished.  Yes, they did pass so-called tax reform, which was little more than a tax tweak, which didn't benefit most people, and what few benefits there were had an expiration date attached to them.  Some tax reform. 

Ok, so Trump is not entirely to blame -- much of that blame is shared with the lazy lumps in congress.  But Trump still shares the blame nonetheless.  Now he no longer has a Republican majority in the house and it's possible, the majority in the senate will pass to the Democrats too.  Trump and the Republicans had their chance to accomplish great things.  They blew it.    And even if Trump wins in 2030, nothing still will be done because he will have a hostile congress.   In effect, he will be a lame duck president for four years.   Even if by some miracle the Republicans hold onto the senate and somehow regain the house -- if Trump and the Republicans did nothing during those two years they had the trifecta, why would anyone think the promises they didn't keep then  will be kept after 11/2020?

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It will be TRUMP vs CLINTON

....get used to it.

HA-HA-HA! 

Nope.

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Re: Which Opponent Gives Trump the most Trouble in 2020?
« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2019, 05:56:31 PM »
You left off the option of Trump.

I think Trump gives himself the most trouble.

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Re: Which Opponent Gives Trump the most Trouble in 2020?
« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2019, 11:40:22 AM »
Mittens.
It takes an special kind of "Stoopid" to make Trump look like a defenseless victim and gain public sympathy,but damned if the Dims didn't pull it off!

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Re: Which Opponent Gives Trump the most Trouble in 2020?
« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2019, 11:44:51 AM »
 

 Meanwhile ... the focus is on impeachment and the Ukraine and we hear very little on what's happening with the 2A.  That I believe would be his true death sentence if he does anything to interfere with rights under the 2A.


@libertybele

And there is is.
It takes an special kind of "Stoopid" to make Trump look like a defenseless victim and gain public sympathy,but damned if the Dims didn't pull it off!

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Re: Which Opponent Gives Trump the most Trouble in 2020?
« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2019, 01:37:54 PM »
Trump has been manipulating politicians for over 50 years.  He is light years ahead of the moronic Democommies. 

Trump is focusing on the Ukraine because it takes down not only Biden but also Clinton should she decide to run.  Clinton conspired with the Ukraine to impede Trump's campaign, used the FBI and perhaps other intelligence agencies, and I am certain all of it was done with Obama's approval.  Trump has every right to want all this corruption exposed, and the moronic Dems took the bait. 

Suffice to say, all the events unfolding at present will bury the Democommies.  Good riddance.  They have done nothing for the American people in decades.

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Re: Which Opponent Gives Trump the most Trouble in 2020?
« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2019, 01:56:21 PM »
   Like a good 2 slice toaster in the morning, with Sanders sipping soup on his deathbed and the Ukraine thing about to blow back on Biden.
Maybe it's just me but I see an important name missing from the list...............Trump.

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Re: Which Opponent Gives Trump the most Trouble in 2020?
« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2019, 02:08:48 PM »
I see Warren won, but living here in MA, I find that female voters actually cannot stand here, at least the ones that i run into.

I voted for Biden and Sanders, the only two likable enough with a shot. Although, Hillary could do it since she technically beat Trump in the popular vote.

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Re: Which Opponent Gives Trump the most Trouble in 2020?
« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2019, 02:21:28 PM »

I voted for Biden and Sanders, the only two likable enough with a shot. Although, Hillary could do it since she technically beat Trump in the popular vote.

@Weird Tolkienish Figure

Good to see someone is coming out of the closet and admitting to being a communist.
It takes an special kind of "Stoopid" to make Trump look like a defenseless victim and gain public sympathy,but damned if the Dims didn't pull it off!


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