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Re: 55% of Americans Favor Decriminalizing Drugs
« Reply #25 on: October 03, 2019, 01:28:43 PM »
Keep the masses stoned and strung out and they won't care what the government does to tear down the country...as long as they can get their next fix.

If that's the case we should ban alcohol again, and anything else that may get you inebriated
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Re: 55% of Americans Favor Decriminalizing Drugs
« Reply #26 on: October 03, 2019, 02:05:19 PM »
If that's the case we should ban alcohol again, and anything else that may get you inebriated

Typical stoner answer to justify legalizing drugs.
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Re: 55% of Americans Favor Decriminalizing Drugs
« Reply #27 on: October 03, 2019, 02:29:32 PM »
Our Goobernor Wolf just announced he's going forward with decriminalizing recreational marijuana in Pennsylvania.  Most of us knew he would once medicinal marijuana was legalized. 

This country has spent bazillions on the "War on Drugs" and really hasn't had much success in curbing the flow of narcotics.  They are all still plentiful and easy to obtain.  Now the states are spending still more of our tax dollars on the so-called opioid epidemic.  About all they've managed to accomplish there is to put a pharmaceutical company out of business. 

Seems to me we will never be rid of anything that makes people high, drunk and/or stupid.   We no longer advocate personal responsibility.  We have to have government tell us how to behave and what to do, and if we do wrong, causing harm to ourselves or someone else, we look to government to clean up the mess. 

I say, make it all legal.  If you overdose or cause harm to others, it's your responsibility.  You suffer the consequences.  Don't look to us responsible citizens and taxpayers to help you out. 

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Re: 55% of Americans Favor Decriminalizing Drugs
« Reply #28 on: October 03, 2019, 02:41:36 PM »
Typical stoner answer to justify legalizing drugs.

If the drug is essentially as mild as alcohol, no reason it shouldn't be legalized and treated the same
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Re: 55% of Americans Favor Decriminalizing Drugs
« Reply #29 on: October 03, 2019, 03:13:07 PM »
If the drug is essentially as mild as alcohol, no reason it shouldn't be legalized and treated the same

I once worked in a steel fabrication plant, ever worked with two ton Hyster drivers flying by ya all day? Yeah, I wanted those drivers tested for drugs pretty regularly. Ever see what a Hyster can do to a support pole in the center of a building?

What drug is mild in your opinion. I am 6'4" tall (over 210lbs at the time) and tried pot once, and flipped out. It was not laced with anything, but it reacted with me violently. There is no 100% safe drugs beyond water, and even that will kill you if taken in excess. Over time I have shrunk somewhat (still around 6'3" and a little heavier) but I will remember that one half joint to the day I lose my memory (and not fondly).
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Re: 55% of Americans Favor Decriminalizing Drugs
« Reply #30 on: October 03, 2019, 03:50:58 PM »
If the drug is essentially as mild as alcohol, no reason it shouldn't be legalized and treated the same

Alcohol? MILD? You must be sh*tting me.

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Re: 55% of Americans Favor Decriminalizing Drugs
« Reply #31 on: October 03, 2019, 03:56:10 PM »

                       European ranking of drug harms, 2015
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Re: 55% of Americans Favor Decriminalizing Drugs
« Reply #32 on: October 03, 2019, 04:24:36 PM »
European ranking chart above, places alcohol and heroin as the most harmful to the user, and to others

I served in the US Army in West Germany, where it was legal to have an open container in the vehicle, however drunk driving was an automatic felony.
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Re: 55% of Americans Favor Decriminalizing Drugs
« Reply #33 on: October 03, 2019, 04:56:39 PM »
European ranking chart above, places alcohol and heroin as the most harmful to the user, and to others

I served in the US Army in West Germany, where it was legal to have an open container in the vehicle, however drunk driving was an automatic felony.

Open containers were legal in Texas until Sept 2001.
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Re: 55% of Americans Favor Decriminalizing Drugs
« Reply #34 on: October 03, 2019, 05:35:02 PM »
I'm probably the only person you'll ever meet who has never been drunk nor high.

I went to Woodstock and didn't touch any drugs.

As an American G.I. in Germany, I went to the Hofbrau House in Munich -- one of the most famous beer houses of them all -- and ordered "ein cola, bitte"...
"I'm probably the only person you'll ever meet who has never been drunk nor high."

You'd be wrong.  I've had the occasional beer, sniffed second hand pot at rock concerts, but never been drunk or high either.  I saw too many relatives who wrecked their families through alcoholism. Booze or drugs never had any attraction for me. Cost me some friends, but I've never done things I didn't want to do just to please other people or make friends.  Except for my wife, of course. :scared smiley:

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Re: 55% of Americans Favor Decriminalizing Drugs
« Reply #35 on: October 03, 2019, 06:22:39 PM »
If the drug is essentially as mild as alcohol, no reason it shouldn't be legalized and treated the same

Except it's not.  And they are not the same.  I live in a state where it's legal...both recreational and medicinal.  They are not the same.
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Re: 55% of Americans Favor Decriminalizing Drugs
« Reply #36 on: October 03, 2019, 06:24:14 PM »
Alcohol? MILD? You must be sh*tting me.

Well when all he's ever had is White Claw....    :whistle:
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Re: 55% of Americans Favor Decriminalizing Drugs
« Reply #37 on: October 03, 2019, 06:41:34 PM »
If the drug is essentially as mild as alcohol, no reason it shouldn't be legalized and treated the same

uh huh

What is the difference between a meth head and a pothead? Both will steal your shit, but a meth head will help you look for it.

Alcohol is so mild they banned it.

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Re: 55% of Americans Favor Decriminalizing Drugs
« Reply #38 on: October 03, 2019, 06:48:15 PM »
You understand, by your screen name, the full implications of pharmakeia.

That's right - Or he/she/it ought to...

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Re: 55% of Americans Favor Decriminalizing Drugs
« Reply #39 on: October 04, 2019, 12:27:26 AM »
Keep the masses stoned and strung out and they won't care what the government does to tear down the country...as long as they can get their next fix.
Yep. I have seen people who thought they were being intelligent fail miserably while under the influence of a variety of substances. As for 'no more harmful than alcohol', do we really want to double down, even on that? Isn't the judgement of Americans impaired enough yet?

For years I have thought the Congress should be drug tested, right along with commercial drivers, oilfield workers, and a host of others who do things that can get themselves or others killed.

But having an effed up workforce is a guarantee of success, right?  9999hair out0000
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Re: 55% of Americans Favor Decriminalizing Drugs
« Reply #40 on: October 04, 2019, 12:37:12 AM »
Our Goobernor Wolf just announced he's going forward with decriminalizing recreational marijuana in Pennsylvania.  Most of us knew he would once medicinal marijuana was legalized. 

This country has spent bazillions on the "War on Drugs" and really hasn't had much success in curbing the flow of narcotics.  They are all still plentiful and easy to obtain.  Now the states are spending still more of our tax dollars on the so-called opioid epidemic.  About all they've managed to accomplish there is to put a pharmaceutical company out of business. 

Seems to me we will never be rid of anything that makes people high, drunk and/or stupid.   We no longer advocate personal responsibility.  We have to have government tell us how to behave and what to do, and if we do wrong, causing harm to ourselves or someone else, we look to government to clean up the mess. 

I say, make it all legal.  If you overdose or cause harm to others, it's your responsibility.  You suffer the consequences.  Don't look to us responsible citizens and taxpayers to help you out.
In reality, it is exactly the taxpayers and responsible citizens who will bail the users out, pay for rehab, pay for those injured from the womb to old age, and clean up the abattoirs on the highways. Who else will take care of that. THere won't be a 'stoner lane', either, so don't expect that to be any safer.
As for curbing the flow of drugs into this country, that has to be done at the borders, and that is being fought tooth and nail.

In addition, ever read the questions on a form 4473? legality changes haven't changed the questions, nor the outcome if the answer is incorrect. This is a great way to remove a Right.
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Re: 55% of Americans Favor Decriminalizing Drugs
« Reply #41 on: October 04, 2019, 01:28:33 AM »
Between the medical cost to restore health to a drunkard, disease leading to death, accidents, and the outcome of accidents, alcohol is easily the biggest killer there is... Eclipsing gun violence by an order or two in magnitude.

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Re: 55% of Americans Favor Decriminalizing Drugs
« Reply #42 on: October 04, 2019, 08:14:24 AM »
Between the medical cost to restore health to a drunkard, disease leading to death, accidents, and the outcome of accidents, alcohol is easily the biggest killer there is... Eclipsing gun violence by an order or two in magnitude.

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alcohol is so mild that we have a smiley of it  :beer:

If someone takes two shots of vodka or two hits of a joint they both be impaired at a mild level. Let's not act like doing either will have most human beings acting crazy. They'd be buzzed.

Any drug that's on that level should be OK for ages 21 and over. Or let's ban alcohol again, too
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Re: 55% of Americans Favor Decriminalizing Drugs
« Reply #43 on: October 04, 2019, 10:45:57 AM »
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alcohol is so mild that we have a smiley of it  :beer:

Oh SNAP!!! I guess you really got us there didn't you junior?   *****rollingeyes*****

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If someone takes two shots of vodka or two hits of a joint they both be impaired at a mild level. Let's not act like doing either will have most human beings acting crazy. They'd be buzzed.

So when was the last time you enhanced a shot of vodka with PCP...or mixed ether into a nice glas of Stoli?   You like to stir in some cocaine or a little heroin in your Smirnoff before you sip it?

Because those are other harder drugs that someone you think is only "mildly" impaired off of a couple hits of a join lace that joint with to get a stronger high.  So no equating a couple shots of Vodka to a couple tokes off of a join is a false equivalent.

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Any drug that's on that level should be OK for ages 21 and over. Or let's ban alcohol again, too

You need to quit cutting and pasting propaganda from the NORML website.
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Re: 55% of Americans Favor Decriminalizing Drugs
« Reply #44 on: October 04, 2019, 02:40:48 PM »
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alcohol is so mild that we have a smiley of it  :beer:

If someone takes two shots of vodka or two hits of a joint they both be impaired at a mild level. Let's not act like doing either will have most human beings acting crazy. They'd be buzzed.

Any drug that's on that level should be OK for ages 21 and over. Or let's ban alcohol again, too

Well that is the most absurd standard there could possibly be...

The problem son, is that PEOPLE DON'T STOP at 1 or 2 shots/hits. What a dumass thing to say.
There is ONE legit way to get high. Why complicate it by adding more, when that is more than enough to control on its own?

As to banning alcohol - I am all for it, except for my medicinal use. I reserve the right to get totally sh*t-faced to control my pain.

Like I said in the first place, it ought to be up to the states. So if you want to get lit, go move to Denver. Don't impose it on me.

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Re: 55% of Americans Favor Decriminalizing Drugs
« Reply #45 on: October 04, 2019, 09:20:18 PM »
@OfTheCross

hmmm...

The willingness.

hmmmm...

Your entire purpose to join this forum wasn't for a comfortable screaming match between reasonable individuals. It was something else.

Enough.


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Re: 55% of Americans Favor Decriminalizing Drugs
« Reply #46 on: October 04, 2019, 09:34:03 PM »
   I smoke a little pot, on occasion, and I don't advocate the Fed getting involved at all and would reluctantly accept a State solution, because there isn't a problem, IMHO. 
  There are much more kids TXT'ing while driving and killing than driving while stoned.
  Address the REAL Problem, reprobates among US.
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Re: 55% of Americans Favor Decriminalizing Drugs
« Reply #47 on: October 04, 2019, 09:41:53 PM »
   I smoke a little pot, on occasion, and I don't advocate the Fed getting involved at all and would reluctantly accept a State solution, because there isn't a problem, IMHO. 
  There are much more kids TXT'ing while driving and killing than driving while stoned.
  Address the REAL Problem, reprobates among US.
Yabbut, cell phone possession is legal, and not just for medical purposes.

It isn't just kids, I have seen middle aged people who were so involved in their phones they sat through green lights. It gets worse in motion.

But outright legalization means it's okay, right? (as in socially acceptable).

If that happens, it will be used on the highways even more, and despite all the gadgets to keep us all safe (seat belts, air bags, side air bags, crumple zones, telescoping steering columns, lane warning devices, blind spot indicators, etc.), more people will die.

We have known drunk driving was a problem since the first drunk fell off the freight wagon and got crushed under the wheels, and the problem hasn't gone away. 
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Re: 55% of Americans Favor Decriminalizing Drugs
« Reply #48 on: October 04, 2019, 09:57:21 PM »
   They just seemed to handle it better back when I was growing up, before Big Government took over.



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Re: 55% of Americans Favor Decriminalizing Drugs
« Reply #49 on: October 05, 2019, 08:22:33 AM »
@OfTheCross

hmmm...

The willingness.

hmmmm...

Your entire purpose to join this forum wasn't for a comfortable screaming match between reasonable individuals. It was something else.

Enough.

I don't like screaming, name-calling etc. I typically exit conversations when they devolve in that nature.
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