Trump Just Threw Pence Under The Bus And Now 'President Pelosi' Is Trending

[Smokin Joe]

 

[libertybele]

That's what I thought it sounded like.  He is nervous and doesn't want Pence to become President if he is impeached.

Why would Trump be nervous about Pence being President?  He is the one who picked him as his VP.  My question has always been, why Pence?  He brought absolutely nothing to the table.  He was relatively unknown.  He's not a great orator or speaker.  Quite frankly, I trust Pence less than I trust Trump.

[verga]

Why would Trump be nervous about Pence being President?  He is the one who picked him as his VP.  My question has always been, why Pence?  He brought absolutely nothing to the table.  He was relatively unknown.  He's not a great orator or speaker.  Quite frankly, I trust Pence less than I trust Trump.

Pence is a pretty solid Conservative with good values and morals. His job was to signal tot he Conservative base that Trump was not going to go off the rails and swing radically left.

[jmyrlefuller]

Why would Trump be nervous about Pence being President?  He is the one who picked him as his VP.  My question has always been, why Pence?  He brought absolutely nothing to the table.  He was relatively unknown.  He's not a great orator or speaker.  Quite frankly, I trust Pence less than I trust Trump.

Do you realize how many people I've spoken to who can't stand Trump but were willing to vote for him in the hopes that he would be impeached and Pence would take over?

More than you realize. Especially in the churches.

[sneakypete]

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Trump Just Threw Pence Under The Bus And Now 'President Pelosi' Is Trending

Ed Mazza
HuffPostSeptember 26, 2019, 1:14 AM PDT

President Donald Trump dragged Vice President Mike Pence’s name into his growing Ukraine scandal on Wednesday.

The White House released a summary of a conversation in which Trump pressured Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to investigate 2020 Democratic presidential front-runner Joe Biden and his son, Hunter Biden. But Trump said he was not the only one to speak to Zelensky.

“I think you should ask for Vice President Pence’s conversation because he had a couple of conversations also,” Trump said.

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/huffpost/trump-pence-president-pelosi-081441004.html

Getting worse.

@Chosen Daughter

HOW is that "throwing Pence under the bus"?  Do YOU think Pence did and/or said something illegal? If not,where is the danger?

[Right_in_Virginia]

Do you realize how many people I've spoken to who can't stand Trump but were willing to vote for him in the hopes that he would be impeached and Pence would take over? 

Two …. Mom and dad?

[sneakypete]

Do you realize how many people I've spoken to who can't stand Trump but were willing to vote for him in the hopes that he would be impeached and Pence would take over?

 

@jmyrlefuller

Everybody at your fundie church,that wants the church to be an official government branch?

[Applewood]

@sneakypete

I hear similar statements about voting for Trump to get Pence.  And I don't go to church, so...

IMHO, this is just as bad as voting for Trump to "save us from the Democrats." Or voting for the Democrat nominee to "save us from Trump."  Or voting for Biden as backlash against Trump.  Lousy reasons to vote for anyone. 

[edpc]

OK – just for the sake of argument, let’s say he wouldn’t want Pence to become president. My assumption (perhaps incorrect) is that he knows the order of succession. Does anybody really think he wants to hand it over to Pelosi?

[libertybele]

OK – just for the sake of argument, let’s say he wouldn’t want Pence to become president. My assumption (perhaps incorrect) is that he knows the order of succession. Does anybody really think he wants to hand it over to Pelosi?

IF indeed Trump has been playing his base and was inserted into the election to ensure that the only conservative running wasn't seated, then yes.  Pelosi could very easily then name Warren or the Beast as her VP.  That would ensure the GOP was finally finished and the global elite and socialism take over our Republic. No one, even Trump himself thought that he would win over Hillary.

[Chosen Daughter]

OK – just for the sake of argument, let’s say he wouldn’t want Pence to become president. My assumption (perhaps incorrect) is that he knows the order of succession. Does anybody really think he wants to hand it over to Pelosi?

Although Pence fell in line and went along with releasing the transcript he had originally advised the President not too.  I just posted the thread on it.  Anyone who opposes Trumps decisions could be on the chopping block.  And its a pattern.  That's how he handles it.  He starts tweeting or mentioning them and then he fires them.

[libertybele]

Although Pence fell in line and went along with releasing the transcript he had originally advised the President not too.  I just posted the thread on it.  Anyone who opposes Trumps decisions could be on the chopping block.  And its a pattern.  That's how he handles it.  He starts tweeting or mentioning them and then he fires them.

IF he fires Pence, then be prepared for President Pelosi.  I don't think he'd be that stupid.  If that becomes the scenario and somehow Trump manages to retain his seat, who would accept the VP spot alongside Trump?  Maybe Graham.  I can't think of anyone else who would be willing to take all the mud slinging from the left.

[sneakypete]

IF he fires Pence, then be prepared for President Pelosi.   

@libertybele

You really think that? Why?

BTW,I am not personally aware of any character flaws that Pence might have,but do you really think he has what it would take to step in and be the next Republican presidential candidate after Trump leaves office? I just don't see Pence as being someone that aggressive.

And "No,I DON'T" have any suggestions as to who would be better. I am just hoping someone comes along because I really don't think Pence has it in him to be as aggressive as any Republican candidate for President will have to be in 2024.

[edpc]

IF he fires Pence, then be prepared for President Pelosi.

He can’t. The only way Pence gets ‘fired’ is if he’s not asked to be on the 2020 ticket. The vice president is elected, not appointed. He’s the only person in the administration that does not serve at the pleasure of the president. That’s one of the things that is so frustrating about his obsequiousness. He could stand up more, if he really wanted to. The only things Trump could do to him would be leave him out of meetings or decisions. Other than that, he’s stuck with him, for the full term, unless he resigned.

[jafo2010]

Everyone is quick to think the worst of Trump.  Maybe Trump was attempting to point out Pense spoke to the Ukranians too, and there is nothing to be concerned about.

It will be Pence for 2020 as VP.  Several conservative friends could not understand why Pence when Trump picked him.  He was a relative unknown for me, but after hearing him speak several times, I came to the conclusion that he was a great pick.  Pence is a good man, in a world that does not have many good men.  I have never heard him say one word I disagree with.

Pence will be a great candidate for me in 2024.  He will have competition, but he is the most likely to continue efforts Trump has initiated. 

Please stop thinking the worst of the president.  He has many rough edges, but I believe his heart is 100% for making America a better country, a stronger country, and if we had a Congress that was worth a good BM, great things would happen every day.  But Congress isn't worth a good BM, and what is worse is that they know it and they don't care.  They come to work every day to line their pockets, and nothing else.  Congress quit representing the American people decades ago, and that goes for both sides of the aisle!!!  Don't let the Republicans fool anyone.  The Dems want open borders, and the Republicans have fully supported illegals for cheap labor.  They are just more subtle about it all!!!

[Smokin Joe]

@sneakypete

I hear similar statements about voting for Trump to get Pence.  And I don't go to church, so...

IMHO, this is just as bad as voting for Trump to "save us from the Democrats." Or voting for the Democrat nominee to "save us from Trump."  Or voting for Biden as backlash against Trump.  Lousy reasons to vote for anyone.

THose aren't votes for anyone, they're votes against the alternative.

[edpc]

Please stop thinking the worst of the president.  He has many rough edges, but I believe his heart is 100% for making America a better country, a stronger country....

I don’t think there was any ill-intent behind what he said about Pence conversations with Ukrainian officials. As for the rest of it, I’ll never trust the man, because he has been on both sides of every major issue, in the past 20 years. He’s also had multiple party affiliations, within that same period. I’m sick of the ‘Reagan was a Democrat, too’ excuse.

There’s a huge difference between changing parties and wild swings of positions on healthcare, abortion, 2A, and economics, plus changing party 5 times. Someone in the conservative discussion site business once said it best, when discussing possible candidates for the 2012 election.

Well, I’ll make an observation. Trump is NO conservative. He’s a self-dealing charlatan and he’s got a lot of fall-for-anything chump types fooled.

[sneakypete]

THose aren't votes for anyone, they're votes against the alternative.

@Smokin Joe

So what? In many ways those votes make the most sense. We do not live in an ideal world,and we are not always,if ever,going to have ideal candidates. Since in the real world one of the candidates is going to win,it makes perfect sense to vote for the least repulsive one.

In case you haven't noticed,this is an imperfect world we live in that is populated by imperfect people (other than me,of course!),and only Dims and other children believe the lies told in fairy tales about ideal worlds.

If I had to wait for an ideal candidate that agreed with me on every issue before I voted,I would never get to vote.

[sneakypete]

As for the rest of it, I’ll never trust the man, because he has been on both sides of every major issue, in the past 20 years.

Please point out when he has been for gun confiscation and abortion as a birth control method.

He’s also had multiple party affiliations, within that same period. 

Since he was living and doing business in the Dim cess pool known as NYC,he pretty much had to register Dim to even gain access to the people he needed to make sure his permit applications were approved,and that his business life went as smooth as possible.

He then reached a place in life where kissing Dim ass in order to thrive was no longer an issue,so he switched parties. Big flipping deal. LOTS of people have changed parties,including me. When my perception of the Dim Party changed,so did my party affiliation. What was I supposed to do,continue to vote Dim once I decided they had been lying to me and didn't represent me?

I’m sick of the ‘Reagan was a Democrat, too’ excuse.

Seems to me you are either a Prima Donna,or someone just looking for excuses to not have to think.

There’s a huge difference between changing parties and wild swings of positions on healthcare, abortion, 2A, and economics, plus changing party 5 times.

Yeah,"DAMN all dat independent thinkin'! Who do dese peepul tink day is,free peepul? Dey need ta join the Borg and STFU,right!

Deys jist doo dam mucha dat "thinking stuff going on!"

And once again,remind when Trump was for abortion as a birth control method or gun control. Enquiring minds,and all dat.

[edpc]

Please point out when he has been for gun confiscation and abortion as a birth control method.

His stance on abortion, as a man in his 50s. He says he wouldn’t even ban partial-birth.

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/trump-in-1999-i-am-very-pro-choice-480297539914


His stance on guns, in the same time period. Also, he signed the bump stock ban and asked Feinstein to add her assault weapons ban to the proposals, after Stoneman-Douglas.

"I generally oppose gun control, wrote Donald Trump in his 2000 book, The America We Deserve, “but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun.”


This was just in the past two years......

He also proposed a wide-ranging overhaul of the law to enable better background checks, arm school staff, increase the minimum age for certain gun sales, and keep firearms away from people who might misuse them.

“I like taking the guns early,” the president said. “Take the guns first, go through due process second.”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/the-trump-gun-trajectory-from-banning-assault-weapons-to-nra-endorsement


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Seems to me you are either a Prima Donna,or someone just looking for excuses to not have to think.

You could have found all of this stuff, on your own, very easily. It’s well-known. I’m looking for an excuse not to have to think? You’ve got to be effing kidding me.

[Applewood]

THose aren't votes for anyone, they're votes against the alternative.

You're right about that.  And I believe that's not the way to vote.

[catfish1957]

@sneakypete

I hear similar statements about voting for Trump to get Pence.  And I don't go to church, so...

IMHO, this is just as bad as voting for Trump to "save us from the Democrats." Or voting for the Democrat nominee to "save us from Trump."  Or voting for Biden as backlash against Trump.  Lousy reasons to vote for anyone.

@sneakypete
@Applewood

I hear it too.  It is not an anomoly.

[Applewood]

@Smokin Joe

So what? In many ways those votes make the most sense. We do not live in an ideal world,and we are not always,if ever,going to have ideal candidates. Since in the real world one of the candidates is going to win,it makes perfect sense to vote for the least repulsive one.

In case you haven't noticed,this is an imperfect world we live in that is populated by imperfect people (other than me,of course!),and only Dims and other children believe the lies told in fairy tales about ideal worlds.

If I had to wait for an ideal candidate that agreed with me on every issue before I voted,I would never get to vote.

@sneakypete

I don't think anyone is looking for the perfect candidate.  I think most of us know such a creature doesn't exist.  But I would like to find one candidate who I believe can do the job and who might at least make an effort to keep the promises he or she has made to the voters. 

Republicans have been making the same promises since at least the beginning of Obama's presidency.  Obama became president in 2008 and here we are, eleven years later, and Republicans still haven't kept those promises.  For about two years or so Republicans had the trifecta -- the presidency plus both houses of congress -- and they still couldn't accomplish anything.  And here they are -- almost at 2020 when we vote for president and senators -- and they are still making the same promises.  Well, why should I trust them to keep those promises when they haven't kept them for the last 11 years or so? 

So you and others say I have to vote Republican to "save us" from the Democrats.  Well, after 11 years of unfulfilled promises, why would you or anyone else think these Republicans are going to "save us" from the Democrats?  Seems to me that if Republicans haven't done squat in 11 years, I can only assume they want what the Democrats want.  So how is voting for any Republican candidate -- not just Trump -- going to "save us" from the Democrats if both parties want the same thing?

I promised my late father I would always vote, but every election, it becomes harder and harder to keep that promise.  I refuse to vote for a "savior"  -- none exists.  And I'm not going to vote for the "lesser of two evils" either -because both are evil.  I could stay home next year and endure the BS that by dong so, I'm actually voting for the Democrat.  But it seems to me, no matter what I do next year, we are all going to end up with the same  karp we have endured the last eleven years.  It's not going to get any better and it likely will get a helluva lot worse.  Won't matter which party is in power.

[sneakypete]

His stance on abortion, as a man in his 50s. He says he wouldn’t even ban partial-birth.

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/trump-in-1999-i-am-very-pro-choice-480297539914

@edpc

Two things. One is that was in 1999,and the other is that I am also opposed to abortion and to laws banning abortions in all cases. People are either free to make their own decisions,or they are slaves of the government.

The problem with abortion laws is it is the extremes on both ends that control the arguments as well as the laws. There is no middle-ground,so if you are going to err,err on the side of individual freedoms.

His stance on guns, in the same time period.

He seems to have changed his mind since then.

Also, he signed the bump stock ban

I don't give a rabid rats ass about a bump stock ban.

and asked Feinstein to add her assault weapons ban to the proposals, after Stoneman-Douglas.

When was this? What has he said about that lately?

"I generally oppose gun control, wrote Donald Trump in his 2000 book, The America We Deserve, “but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun.”

Once again,this is what he put in a book written 20 years ago.

This was just in the past two years......

No,it was in 2000.
He also proposed a wide-ranging overhaul of the law to enable better background checks, arm school staff, increase the minimum age for certain gun sales, and keep firearms away from people who might misuse them.

“I like taking the guns early,” the president said. “Take the guns first, go through due process second.”

 When was this?

You could have found all of this stuff, on your own, very easily.

You can "find" that men can get pregnant and give birth,or that "up  is really down" on the internet if you look long enough.

[edpc]

FFS.... @sneakypete

First of all, in my original comment, I said he has been on both sides of major issues, in the past 20 years. When you look at his comments from 1999 through today, what’s the math on the timeframe, Copernicus? He was a man in his 50s, at the time. There’s no credible way his opinions on those matters changed, except for political expediency. It was the same thing when Obama said his views had ‘evolved’ on gay marriage. That was pure BS and everyone knows it. At the time Trump had different views, he was an admitted NYC liberal. Surprise, MFer....he still is! He’s whatever he has to be, at the time, to suit his purpose.

It’s impossible for you to have lived as long as you have and be this naïve. Even if you are, it’s not my job to educate you. I’m done with that. Let the thread get back on course, unless you want to throw in one of your obligatory comments about the Bush family.