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Re: LIVE>>Acting DNI Maguire Testifies on Whistleblower Complaint
« Reply #25 on: September 26, 2019, 05:45:11 pm »

What the complaints about the call is fairly accurate, despite not having firsthand knowledge of the conversation. Nowhere in the section covering the call does it mention a request for opposition research. You may be conflating something that was reported by a news outlet, over with the complaint actually says.

Additionally, there are two redacted sections that could say anything. Outside of the IC, only those with clearance, on the committees, know what it says.


https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/20190812_-_whistleblower_complaint_unclass.pdf

Ok.   Now (I admit)... I'm a bit confused.   What 'else' would you call what you previously mentioned... "an effort to procure damaging information on a political opponent" ... other than opposition research???


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This is not the crime of the century Democrats are claiming, at this time, but it’s not the ‘nothing’ Republicans are saying, either. Giuliani does not have an official position, within the administration. The complaint makes allegations the conversation with the Ukrainian president was put into a separate network for archiving. A number of factors put this complaint in a gray area. It looks like an overt attempt to memory hole the activity. If we were looking at it as something done by the opposition, that conclusion would be quickly made.

During the Cuomo interview, Giuliani claimed the investigation material was in the proper hands. Bar has denied having any communication with Ukrainian officials, regarding the Biden inquiry. So who has this suppose it information and for what purpose? It’s not unreasonable to wonder if this was unofficial, had nothing to do with trying to route out corruption, and was, in fact, and effort to procure damaging information on a political opponent.
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Re: LIVE>>Acting DNI Maguire Testifies on Whistleblower Complaint
« Reply #26 on: September 26, 2019, 06:09:31 pm »
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So, what is your point? There’s a vast difference between me saying it’s possible this was done to get dirt and saying the whistleblower lied in the complaint. They’re completely different things.
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Re: LIVE>>Acting DNI Maguire Testifies on Whistleblower Complaint
« Reply #27 on: September 26, 2019, 06:19:21 pm »
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So, what is your point? There’s a vast difference between me saying it’s possible this was done to get dirt and saying the whistleblower lied in the complaint. They’re completely different things.

Lol!   It looks like to me that the ""whistleblower"" basically said (lied) the same thing you were implying.   Both implications translate to the same thing (ie trying to get dirt on the opposition) in my logic book.  Explain to me how it's different, cause I'm not seeing it.    :shrug:
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Re: LIVE>>Acting DNI Maguire Testifies on Whistleblower Complaint
« Reply #28 on: September 26, 2019, 06:45:21 pm »
Lol!   It looks like to me that the ""whistleblower"" basically said (lied) the same thing you were implying.   Both implications translate to the same thing (ie trying to get dirt on the opposition) in my logic book.  Explain to me how it's different, cause I'm not seeing it.    :shrug:


In the section referring to the phone call, the whistleblower states that Trump sought to ‘advance his personal interests’ and ‘take actions to help the president’s re-election.’ That is not an accusation of directly requesting opposition research. What he/she suggests is the effort by Trump to initiate the investigation and reap the benefits of the results, if any.

On the other hand, I don’t see any legitimate effort to start an investigation, since the justice department and Barr are not involved. In my opinion, it’s an attempt to use Rudy as the go-between, invoke the AG to give it an air of legitimacy, and conceal it all behind executive privilege.

The difference is the whistleblower was seemingly concerned about the abuse of the justice department. I’m looking at it as an off the books job, based on Trump’s history of using people like Cohn, Cohen, and The Enquirer as hatchet men.
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« Reply #29 on: September 26, 2019, 07:00:29 pm »

In the section referring to the phone call, the whistleblower states that Trump sought to ‘advance his personal interests’ and ‘take actions to help the president’s re-election.’ That is not an accusation of directly requesting opposition research. What he/she suggests is the effort by Trump to initiate the investigation and reap the benefits of the results, if any.

That is the leaker determining Trump's motives.  Said leaker has an attorney who has worked with both Clinton and Schumer.  The leaker has already been determined by the DNI to have political motivations and is not a whistleblower.

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On the other hand, I don’t see any legitimate effort to start an investigation, since the justice department and Barr are not involved. In my opinion, it’s an attempt to use Rudy as the go-between, invoke the AG to give it an air of legitimacy, and conceal it all behind executive privilege.

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Then Zelenskyy says that he has talked to Guiliani and Trump says "good..."

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The difference is the whistleblower was seemingly concerned about the abuse of the justice department. I’m looking at it as an off the books job, based on Trump’s history of using people like Cohn, Cohen, and The Enquirer as hatchet men.

You give the leaker the benefit of doubt as to his motives, but not Trump?  You have no idea who this person is. 

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« Reply #30 on: September 26, 2019, 07:01:41 pm »

In the section referring to the phone call, the whistleblower states that Trump sought to ‘advance his personal interests’ and ‘take actions to help the president’s re-election.’ That is not an accusation of directly requesting opposition research. What he/she suggests is the effort by Trump to initiate the investigation and reap the benefits of the results, if any.

Which... means.... it's "implied" that Trump was requesting oppo research, ie the fruits of that investigation, on his opponent, Biden.  Same thing, IOW.  The implication is that Trump is/was trying to do the same thing that Hillary and the rats did against him in 2016.  Only... they also lied to FISA court judge(s) on four separate occasions.   But... that's 'different', dontcha know...lol.

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On the other hand, I don’t see any legitimate effort to start an investigation, since the justice department and Barr are not involved. In my opinion, it’s an attempt to use Rudy as the go-between, invoke the AG to give it an air of legitimacy, and conceal it all behind executive privilege.

You don't see it?  You didn't observe Schiff (ie pencil neck) trying his damnedest to get Maguire to verbally pave the way for such a (yet another) investigation?  Then you missed the glaring effing obvious.   And you can bet your ass that the rats in Congress would either demand that Barr 'get involved' or that he be recused in favor of someone that would undergo that investigation.

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The difference is the whistleblower was seemingly concerned about the abuse of the justice department. I’m looking at it as an off the books job, based on Trump’s history of using people like Cohn, Cohen, and The Enquirer as hatchet men.

The CIA ""whistleblower"" is just another deep state Trump hater leftist.... apparently.   You can't trust a damned thing he/she/it/whatever bleats.   That much I DO know.

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Re: Acting DNI Maguire Testifies on Whistleblower Complaint
« Reply #31 on: September 26, 2019, 07:06:06 pm »
Coates and Gordon are probably so glad to have resigned. Maguire is in an untenable position. Bolton has been conspicuously silent, throughout this ordeal. You have to wonder if this subject was one of the contributions to the falling out between him and Trump.

Your not saying you think Bolton is the one are you?  I would have a hard time believing that.  I hope that we get the name soon.
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Re: Acting DNI Maguire Testifies on Whistleblower Complaint
« Reply #32 on: September 26, 2019, 07:09:10 pm »
Your not saying you think Bolton is the one are you?  I would have a hard time believing that.  I hope that we get the name soon.

Bolton was NSA.   The faux whistleblower leaker is supposedly CIA.  It isn't Bolton.
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Re: Acting DNI Maguire Testifies on Whistleblower Complaint
« Reply #33 on: September 26, 2019, 07:13:31 pm »
Bolton was NSA.   The faux whistleblower leaker is supposedly CIA.  It isn't Bolton.

Yep a spook.  Maybe a Brennan toady. (per Rush)
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Re: LIVE>>Acting DNI Maguire Testifies on Whistleblower Complaint
« Reply #34 on: September 26, 2019, 07:22:11 pm »
That is the leaker determining Trump's motives.  Said leaker has an attorney who has worked with both Clinton and Schumer.  The leaker has already been determined by the DNI to have political motivations and is not a whistleblower.


Maguire was directly asked about the politics. His testimony, given this morning, was that the person filing the complaint had acted in good faith. He has not assigned any political motives. For him, the issue was the president is not an intelligence member and he felt the discussion was covered by executive privilege, therefore not relevant to the statute.


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You give the leaker the benefit of doubt as to his motives, but not Trump? You have no idea who this person is.


We don’t know who the person is. We do know Trump has a terrible relationship with the truth and Giuliani is a less than reliable person, in his own right. He also seems to becoming increasingly unhinged.


Rudy Giuliani: ‘You Should Be Happy for Your Country That I Uncovered This’

“It is impossible that the whistle-blower is a hero and I’m not. And I will be the hero! These morons—when this is over, I will be the hero,” Giuliani told me.

“I’m not acting as a lawyer. I’m acting as someone who has devoted most of his life to straightening out government,” he continued, sounding out of breath. “Anything I did should be praised.”


https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/09/giuliani-ukraine-trump-biden/598879/
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Re: Acting DNI Maguire Testifies on Whistleblower Complaint
« Reply #35 on: September 26, 2019, 07:26:14 pm »
Your not saying you think Bolton is the one are you?  I would have a hard time believing that.  I hope that we get the name soon.


No, I’m saying the interaction may have been one source of friction and contributed to his departure.
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Re: LIVE>>Acting DNI Maguire Testifies on Whistleblower Complaint
« Reply #36 on: September 26, 2019, 07:27:54 pm »

Maguire was directly asked about the politics. His testimony, given this morning, was that the person filing the complaint had acted in good faith. He has not assigned any political motives. For him, the issue was the president is not an intelligence member and he felt the discussion was covered by executive privilege, therefore not relevant to the statute.



We don’t know who the person is. We do know Trump has a terrible relationship with the truth and Giuliani is a less than reliable person, in his own right. He also seems to becoming increasingly unhinged.


Rudy Giuliani: ‘You Should Be Happy for Your Country That I Uncovered This’

“It is impossible that the whistle-blower is a hero and I’m not. And I will be the hero! These morons—when this is over, I will be the hero,” Giuliani told me.

“I’m not acting as a lawyer. I’m acting as someone who has devoted most of his life to straightening out government,” he continued, sounding out of breath. “Anything I did should be praised.”


https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/09/giuliani-ukraine-trump-biden/598879/

There's a lot of people in DC (and some here) who are at best casually acquainted with the truth.  Trump, in this particular case, seems to have been honest, going by the transcript.  The leaker?  Doesn't look like it from his statement.

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Re: Acting DNI Maguire Testifies on Whistleblower Complaint
« Reply #37 on: September 26, 2019, 07:29:20 pm »
Bolton was NSA.   The faux whistleblower leaker is supposedly CIA.  It isn't Bolton.

CIA = Likely a former employee of John Brennan.
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« Reply #38 on: September 26, 2019, 07:36:31 pm »
Democrat after democrat, making speeches and badgering the witness.

Adam Schitt arguing with witness.

Interrupting the witness, when he refuses to follow their script.
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Maguire spent some 36 years in the Navy, including commanding a SEAL team. He was, I would guess, way to professional to say it before Congress, but he might wonder aloud tonight among his family why he spent 36 years of his life defending and protecting those hysterical assholes.
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Re: LIVE>>Acting DNI Maguire Testifies on Whistleblower Complaint
« Reply #39 on: September 26, 2019, 07:37:42 pm »

Maguire was directly asked about the politics. His testimony, given this morning, was that the person filing the complaint had acted in good faith. He has not assigned any political motives. For him, the issue was the president is not an intelligence member and he felt the discussion was covered by executive privilege, therefore not relevant to the statute.



We don’t know who the person is. We do know Trump has a terrible relationship with the truth and Giuliani is a less than reliable person, in his own right. He also seems to becoming increasingly unhinged.


Rudy Giuliani: ‘You Should Be Happy for Your Country That I Uncovered This’

“It is impossible that the whistle-blower is a hero and I’m not. And I will be the hero! These morons—when this is over, I will be the hero,” Giuliani told me.

“I’m not acting as a lawyer. I’m acting as someone who has devoted most of his life to straightening out government,” he continued, sounding out of breath. “Anything I did should be praised.”


https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/09/giuliani-ukraine-trump-biden/598879/



Trumps lawyers could be his downfall.  Trump is so wreckless as if he is untouchable.  He is absolutely sure that his popularity will save him from anything.   Gulliani is an idiot just like Cohen.

We'll see, but Gulliani should shut up.
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Re: LIVE>>Acting DNI Maguire Testifies on Whistleblower Complaint
« Reply #40 on: September 26, 2019, 07:42:47 pm »
Maguire spent some 36 years in the Navy, including commanding a SEAL team. He was, I would guess, way to professional to say it before Congress, but he might wonder aloud tonight among his family why he spent 36 years of his life defending and protecting those hysterical assholes.

Nah.   If he has a family, he doesn't wonder why.   He did it for them.... same as most folks that serve in the US military.  It sure as hell isn't for the pay and bennies.

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Re: Acting DNI Maguire Testifies on Whistleblower Complaint
« Reply #41 on: September 26, 2019, 08:03:12 pm »
CIA = Likely a former employee of John Brennan.


Trump has appointed two directors of the CIA - Pompeo and Haspel. I sincerely doubt they are drawing from a hat, to assign people White House postings. They almost certainly come with vetting and recommendations. Two things about that would be concerning....

1) Trump is making terrible personnel decisions.

2) He is making good decisions, but those people are finding him to be the problem.
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« Reply #42 on: September 26, 2019, 08:03:37 pm »
Nah.   If he has a family, he doesn't wonder why.   He did it for them.... same as most folks that serve in the US military.  It sure as hell isn't for the pay and bennies.

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« Reply #43 on: September 26, 2019, 08:21:43 pm »
From what I have read..the whistle blower doesn't have first hand knowledge of the conversation. So there could be more people involved, could there not?

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« Reply #44 on: September 26, 2019, 08:23:25 pm »
From what I have read..the whistle blower doesn't have first hand knowledge of the conversation. So there could be more people involved, could there not?

I think that's certain.  Looks to be a well-orchestrated effort.

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« Reply #45 on: September 26, 2019, 09:19:11 pm »
I think that's certain. Looks to be a well-orchestrated effort.


Well, if it is, the orchestra is made up of WH personnel. That’s a much bigger problem than one allegedly partisan soloist.
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« Reply #46 on: September 26, 2019, 09:23:42 pm »

Well, if it is, the orchestra is made up of WH personnel. That’s a much bigger problem than one allegedly partisan soloist.

Now, why do you feel that?

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« Reply #47 on: September 26, 2019, 09:34:01 pm »
Now, why do you feel that?


Because I read the 2nd paragraph of Section I of the complaint.
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Re: LIVE>>Acting DNI Maguire Testifies on Whistleblower Complaint
« Reply #48 on: September 26, 2019, 09:40:00 pm »

Well, if it is, the orchestra is made up of WH personnel. That’s a much bigger problem than one allegedly partisan soloist.

And the loyalty of White House staff to Trump is the stuff of legends.  Fantasies, actually.  Just because somebody works in the WH is not proof the person isn't a backstabbing spy.

ETA:  I think I misread.  I think there are a lot of people in the White House actively working against the President, and that is a big problem.
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« Reply #49 on: September 26, 2019, 09:42:24 pm »

Because I read the 2nd paragraph of Section I of the complaint.

Well, there you go.  Might ought to have read the whole thing.