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Natural Gas Could Be Replaced Within 15 Years
« on: September 23, 2019, 02:53:08 pm »
Technological improvements in hydraulic fracking are making ‘America Great Again’ when it comes to its energy sector. Unconventional oil and gas reserves, which previously were deemed as ‘uneconomic to produce’, are being exploited on a massive scale.

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Also, innovations in renewable energy technologies are advancing at a rapid pace. Although wind and solar power have been around for some time, it wasn’t until prices dropped significantly during the past decade that installations skyrocketed across the world.

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The transformation of the U.S.’ power sector is coming much sooner than incumbent producers were expecting. Currently, the combination of solar, wind, storage, and demand response are already more efficient, and therefore cheaper, than the use of fossil fuels.

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Re: Natural Gas Could Be Replaced Within 15 Years
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2019, 03:09:36 pm »
LOL!

Government subsidies are the only reason "alternative energy" sources expanded dramatically. If it were based on economics they wouldn't have been built at all. Take away the subsidies and alternative energy sources would evaporate in short order.

It is just the government picking winners and losers for those who buy influence where the taxpayers/energy payers always gets the short end of the deal to make others wealthy.

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Re: Natural Gas Could Be Replaced Within 15 Years
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2019, 03:13:09 pm »
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!
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You've got to warn me when you're going to post ridiculous bullcrap like this...
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Re: Natural Gas Could Be Replaced Within 15 Years
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2019, 03:25:49 pm »
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!
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You've got to warn me when you're going to post ridiculous bullcrap like this...
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You can always tell when the source is OilPrice.com 

National Enquire for the energy news.  With less accuracy...
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Re: Natural Gas Could Be Replaced Within 15 Years
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2019, 03:30:44 pm »
Sure, ok.

Put up solar panels in Seattle or windmills in Florida. See how that works for ya.

Maybe first understand the concept of 'marginal returns' to understand why alternatives can't replace nat gas, coal, and nuke.
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Re: Natural Gas Could Be Replaced Within 15 Years
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2019, 03:36:34 pm »
You can always tell when the source is OilPrice.com 

National Enquire for the energy news.  With less accuracy...
Nah, the title of crap belongs to Forbes.

Plunging Prices Mean Building New Renewable Energy Is Cheaper Than Running Existing Coal

https://www.forbes.com/sites/energyinnovation/2018/12/03/plunging-prices-mean-building-new-renewable-energy-is-cheaper-than-running-existing-coal/#2c826e2631f3
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Re: Natural Gas Could Be Replaced Within 15 Years
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2019, 03:58:49 pm »
Nah, the title of crap belongs to Forbes.

Plunging Prices Mean Building New Renewable Energy Is Cheaper Than Running Existing Coal

https://www.forbes.com/sites/energyinnovation/2018/12/03/plunging-prices-mean-building-new-renewable-energy-is-cheaper-than-running-existing-coal/#2c826e2631f3

And no where in that article is the claim in the OilPrice title.
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Re: Natural Gas Could Be Replaced Within 15 Years
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2019, 04:03:36 pm »
Technological improvements in hydraulic fracking are making ‘America Great Again’ when it comes to its energy sector. Unconventional oil and gas reserves, which previously were deemed as ‘uneconomic to produce’, are being exploited on a massive scale.

...

Also, innovations in renewable energy technologies are advancing at a rapid pace. Although wind and solar power have been around for some time, it wasn’t until prices dropped significantly during the past decade that installations skyrocketed across the world.

...

The transformation of the U.S.’ power sector is coming much sooner than incumbent producers were expecting. Currently, the combination of solar, wind, storage, and demand response are already more efficient, and therefore cheaper, than the use of fossil fuels.

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« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2019, 04:05:55 pm »


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Also, innovations in renewable energy technologies are advancing at a rapid pace. Although wind and solar power have been around for some time, it wasn’t until prices dropped significantly during the past decade that installations skyrocketed across the world.



And BTW, the next time some envirowhacko exudes the wonderment of wind energy, ask them how many birds are killed annually.
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Re: Natural Gas Could Be Replaced Within 15 Years
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2019, 04:09:00 pm »
And BTW, the next time some envirowhacko exudes the wonderment of wind energy, ask them how many birds are killed annually.

Whoa buddy. Not just generic birds. Eagles and condors, peregrines, and hawks of all kinds.

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Re: Natural Gas Could Be Replaced Within 15 Years
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2019, 04:12:59 pm »
And monkeys could fly out of my butt.

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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2019, 04:14:00 pm »
And monkeys could fly out of my butt.

Well dims are interested in natural gas from cow butts. 
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Re: Natural Gas Could Be Replaced Within 15 Years
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2019, 04:42:50 pm »
What a bunch of Hooey!

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Re: Natural Gas Could Be Replaced Within 15 Years
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2019, 05:00:43 pm »
And no where in that article is the claim in the OilPrice title.
And why should it?

The point is you claimed that OilPrice is crap.

I claim Forbes is crappier crap.
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Re: Natural Gas Could Be Replaced Within 15 Years
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2019, 05:16:35 pm »
And why should it?

The point is you claimed that OilPrice is crap.

I claim Forbes is crappier crap.

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« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2019, 05:19:16 pm »
In an ocean of crap, and a lot of that sewage has been washing up on the TBR shores lately. 333cleo

Wish I could find that article on how much the ultra-left is financing the lies around AGW, and green movement in general.

Maybe be the biggest swindle and wealth distribution project in history.
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Re: Natural Gas Could Be Replaced Within 15 Years
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2019, 05:40:20 pm »
Wish I could find that article on how much the ultra-left is financing the lies around AGW, and green movement in general.

Maybe be the biggest swindle and wealth distribution project in history.
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Shortly after the latest Chicken Little climate change report was published last month, I noted on CNN that one reason so many hundreds of scientists are persuaded that the sky is falling is that they are paid handsomely to do so.

I noted that “In America and around the globe governments have created a multi-billion dollar Climate Change Industrial Complex.” And then I added: “A lot of people are getting really, really rich off of the climate change industry.” According to a recent report by the U.S. Government Accountability Office, “Federal funding for climate change research, technology, international assistance, and adaptation has increased from $2.4 billion in 1993 to $11.6 billion in 2014, with an additional $26.1 billion for climate change programs and activities provided by the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2009.”

How big is the Climate Change Industrial Complex today? Surprisingly, no one seems to be keeping track of all the channels of funding. A few years ago Forbes magazine went through the federal budget and estimated about $150 billion in spending on climate change and green energy subsidies during President Obama’s first term.

That didn’t include the tax subsidies that provide a 30 percent tax credit for wind and solar power — so add to those numbers about $8 billion to $10 billion a year. Then add billions more in costs attributable to the 29 states with renewable energy mandates that require utilities to buy expensive “green” energy.

Worldwide the numbers are gargantuan. Five years ago, a leftist group called the Climate Policy Initiative issued a study which found that “Global investment in climate change” reached $359 billion that year. Then to give you a sense of how money-hungry these planet-saviors are, the CPI moaned that this spending “falls far short of what’s needed” a number estimated at $5 trillion.

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« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2019, 05:43:01 pm »
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Staggering isn't it?  Socialism via the back door.
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« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2019, 06:05:50 pm »
What a bunch of Hooey!
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« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2019, 06:11:15 pm »
LOL!
Government subsidies are the only reason "alternative energy" sources expanded dramatically. If it were based on economics they wouldn't have been built at all. Take away the subsidies and alternative energy sources would evaporate in short order.
It is just the government picking winners and losers for those who buy influence where the taxpayers/energy payers always gets the short end of the deal to make others wealthy.


Compelling and wise retort, exposing the first post as utter nonsense!!!
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Re: Natural Gas Could Be Replaced Within 15 Years
« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2019, 06:17:39 pm »
LOL!

Government subsidies are the only reason "alternative energy" sources expanded dramatically. If it were based on economics they wouldn't have been built at all. Take away the subsidies and alternative energy sources would evaporate in short order.

It is just the government picking winners and losers for those who buy influence where the taxpayers/energy payers always gets the short end of the deal to make others wealthy.

Ding! Ding! Ding!  Winner here folks! No more calls please!
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Re: Natural Gas Could Be Replaced Within 15 Years
« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2019, 07:28:20 pm »
OTOH Nuclear has the potential for low cost, clean, safe, energy production with mostly existing technology.

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« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2019, 07:31:48 pm »
OTOH Nuclear has the potential for low cost, clean, safe, energy production with mostly existing technology.

Not until there is a bulletproof way to handle the waste.

As for long term renewable clean and safe energy production... Geo and Hydro and nothing else.

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« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2019, 09:09:58 pm »
Not until there is a bulletproof way to handle the waste.

As for long term renewable clean and safe energy production... Geo and Hydro and nothing else.
If you mean Geothermal, the precipitants from that steam is some of the nastiest stuff found on earth.

It accumulates at a rapid rate, and hard to dispose of.

Ever heard of NORM?
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Re: Natural Gas Could Be Replaced Within 15 Years
« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2019, 09:22:07 pm »
If you mean Geothermal, the precipitants from that steam is some of the nastiest stuff found on earth.

It accumulates at a rapid rate, and hard to dispose of.

Ever heard of NORM?

Nope.

But I do know downtown Spokane Wa has been heated by geothermal for decades. And most of the equipment is original to the project all those decades ago.

Where geothermal is a feature, that it is not used to generate power is a ridiculous oversight.