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Never Trump Republicans plotting to back Biden
« on: September 19, 2019, 12:29:46 pm »
Never Trump Republicans plotting to back Biden
by David M. Drucker
 | September 19, 2019 12:00 AM



Republicans opposed to President Trump are quietly preparing to support Democratic front-runner Joe Biden, backing that could materialize in the primary as he attempts to fend off a surging Elizabeth Warren.

Some Republican operatives active in Never Trump circles are discussing what form support for Biden might take and the timing. Groups such as Stand Up Republic, co-founded by prominent Never Trump Republicans Evan McMullin and Mindy Finn, could target disaffected GOP voters in key micro-battlegrounds with finely tailored advertising in a bid to boost Biden in the Democratic primary.

Biden, 76, is the most likely Democrat to receive measurable support from the Never Trump crowd, most of whom quickly concluded that the president does not face a realistic threat from the three Republicans challenging him in the GOP primary in 2020.

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Re: Never Trump Republicans plotting to back Biden
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2019, 12:36:15 pm »
Just FYI:  Regardless of how you feel about Trump, if you're supporting Biden, you're not conservative.
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Re: Never Trump Republicans plotting to back Biden
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2019, 12:43:16 pm »
The New Hampshire primary should be interesting because (I believe) folks can cross over and vote in the primary of their choice.   Will Republicans cross over and vote in the Dem primary, either for Biden because he's the sole relative moderate in a field of radicals,  or for one of those radicals with the thinking that they may prove to be easier opponents for Trump?   
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Re: Never Trump Republicans plotting to back Biden
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2019, 12:45:13 pm »
Just FYI:  Regardless of how you feel about Trump, if you're supporting Biden, you're not conservative.

Remember Warren Harding's winning and inherently conservative pitch after the chaos of World War 1:  a return to normalcy.    A lot of voters today seek a return to normalcy.   Who should they support?   
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Re: Never Trump Republicans plotting to back Biden
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2019, 12:48:50 pm »
The New Hampshire primary should be interesting because (I believe) folks can cross over and vote in the primary of their choice.   Will Republicans cross over and vote in the Dem primary, either for Biden because he's the sole relative moderate in a field of radicals,  or for one of those radicals with the thinking that they may prove to be easier opponents for Trump?   

I would not put it past the democRATs to use Biden as a Trojan horse to get a radical leftist VP into the presidency.  Convince Biden to run at the top of the ticket to garner supposed moderates, then resign a few months into his presidency.  Probably the only way they can get a president Warren.

Of course that whole scenario depends on Biden's ego and willingness to play along and take one for the team.
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Re: Never Trump Republicans plotting to back Biden
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2019, 12:49:56 pm »
Not surprising.  Virginia Republicans did the same thing a few years back by quietly supporting Terry McAuliffe as governor just to prevent a Conservative from sitting in the governor's mansion.
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Re: Never Trump Republicans plotting to back Biden
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2019, 12:51:56 pm »
Remember Warren Harding's winning and inherently conservative pitch after the chaos of World War 1:  a return to normalcy.    A lot of voters today seek a return to normalcy.   Who should they support?   

If you're a conservative, then you support the candidate with a conservative record.  Period.  Anything else means you are placing something else above conservative principles, and are by definition something other than conservative.
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Re: Never Trump Republicans plotting to back Biden
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2019, 01:09:29 pm »
If you're a conservative, then you support the candidate with a conservative record.  Period.  Anything else means you are placing something else above conservative principles, and are by definition something other than conservative.

So your saying that conservatives must place ideology over all else?   So how do you explain Trump, who has been a New York liberal for far more years than he's been your conservative champion?     I doubt many who voted for Trump thought they were voting for a conservative.  Most were voting against someone else, or else were seeking a populist change agent, not a traditional conservative.   
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Re: Never Trump Republicans plotting to back Biden
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2019, 01:28:35 pm »
So your saying that conservatives must place ideology over all else?   So how do you explain Trump, who has been a New York liberal for far more years than he's been your conservative champion?     I doubt many who voted for Trump thought they were voting for a conservative.  Most were voting against someone else, or else were seeking a populist change agent, not a traditional conservative.   

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Re: Never Trump Republicans plotting to back Biden
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2019, 01:34:33 pm »
So your saying that conservatives must place ideology over all else?   So how do you explain Trump, who has been a New York liberal for far more years than he's been your conservative champion?     I doubt many who voted for Trump thought they were voting for a conservative.  Most were voting against someone else, or else were seeking a populist change agent, not a traditional conservative.   

What you don't understand about Conservatives in general and Conservatism specifically...is that it isn't an "ideology" like Progressivism or Socialism or Communism.

Conservatism is a philosophy.  It's built on the founding of America and Western Civilization itself.  With a centralized theme of ordered Liberty.

William F. Buckley stated what Conservatism is in just 21 words.  “freedom, individuality, the sense of community, the sanctity of the family, the supremacy of the conscience, the spiritual view of life.”

You from your writings here and despite your forthcoming protestations to the contrary...is no one here buys your BS that you're a Conservative in any way shape or form.

It's also why you and some others don't understand why Conservatives are leery of Trump.
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Re: Never Trump Republicans plotting to back Biden
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2019, 01:52:23 pm »
Let me go out on a limb here and say that most of the people so plotting were never Republicans to begin with.
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Re: Never Trump Republicans plotting to back Biden
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2019, 01:58:29 pm »
Let me go out on a limb here and say that most of the people so plotting were never Republicans to begin with.

There're alot of people who are mere actors filling a part that offers a paycheck calling themselves 'republican'. Sometimes they'll even call themselves 'conservative' if it means a few more quid in their pockets. But they're no more either of those things than Ben Affleck is a fighter pilot.

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« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2019, 02:02:54 pm »
There're alot of people who are mere actors filling a part that offers a paycheck calling themselves 'republican'. Sometimes they'll even call themselves 'conservative' if it means a few more quid in their pockets. But they're no more either of those things than Ben Affleck is a fighter pilot.

 :yowsa: It's really obvious to those who actually are conservative/republican.
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« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2019, 02:06:31 pm »

I believe that Trump's promise to seek the advice of the Federalist Society and appoint judicial conservatives was the tipping-point issue for a lot of conservatives who were otherwise on the fence.  And rightly so.  If we lose the Supreme Court, we're done

I agree with that.  A vote cast with clenched nose is still a vote.   And this is the issue that, for many of us, will represent the bottom line come November of 2020.   
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« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2019, 02:14:12 pm »
Just FYI:  Regardless of how you feel about Trump, if you're supporting Biden, you're not conservative.

Agreed.

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« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2019, 02:18:00 pm »
I would not put it past the democRATs to use Biden as a Trojan horse to get a radical leftist VP into the presidency.  Convince Biden to run at the top of the ticket to garner supposed moderates, then resign a few months into his presidency.  Probably the only way they can get a president Warren.

Of course that whole scenario depends on Biden's ego and willingness to play along and take one for the team.

I agree that is the democommie plan. Biden will be at the top of the ticket with a stealth POTUS-in-waiting. And Biden may well die or become so medically compromised he may not have to resign.
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« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2019, 03:02:38 pm »
These people stink up the room.

They deserve no attention, except disdain.

Think of a fake deacon, a notorioous liar.

How to get the stink out of the room?

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Don't forget, one of their angry leaders, John McCain, caast the deciding vote against ridding the nation of Obamacare. (currently, I think Romney pays nobody McMuffin)

Many of them are angry, bitter people.

The way to get the stink out of the room, is just get them out of the room.

Reagan's 1980 "Republican" opponent John Anderson, went on to become a Ralph Nader supporter, in his stinking but failed political career post-1980.

Sinkspur left GOPBR angry, vowing to work for Hillary.

MaCain, Sinkspur--you get the picture that I see. But the smell lingers.
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Re: Never Trump Republicans plotting to back Biden
« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2019, 03:20:01 pm »

It's also why you and some others don't understand why Conservatives are leery of Trump.

Let me first say that we should all be "leery" of every Politician...in the general sense.

That said, "Conservatives" are NOT specifically leery of Trump...members of the conservative Party, the GOP, support him at near 90% levels as per Gallup. That is inclusive of strong support from the Evangelical and the most conservative elements of the American Right. That 90% reflects incredibly strong support amongst conservatives for President Trump and his policies...which is NOT to say that there are no concerns or skepticism on certain issues.

Still, support overall amongst conservatives is almost unprecedentedly strong for President Trump. The "10%" not supporting him are a tiny embittered polyglot of RINO's, Moral Narcissists, and foreign policy Neocons who find the man too gauche...too tweety...or who cling to the "he used to be an NY lib" back in the 90's (oddly akin to Reagan being head of the Hollywood actors' guild and a Democrat in the early 60's....18 years before he ascended to the White House).
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« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2019, 03:22:30 pm »
"Conservatives are NOT leery of Trump...members of the conservative Party, the GOP, support him at near 90% levels as per Gallup. That is inclusive of strong support from the Evangelical and the most conservative elements of the American Right. That 90% reflects incredibly strong support amongst conservatives for President Trump and his policies...which is NOT to say that there are no concerns or skepticism on certain issues.

Still, support overall amongst conservatives is almost unprecedentedly strong for President Trump. The "10%" not supporting him are a tiny embittered polyglot of RINO's, Moral Narcissists, and foreign policy Neocons who find the man too gauche...too tweety...or who cling to the "he used to be an NY lib" back in the 90's (oddly akin to Reagan being head of the Hollywood actors' guild and a Democrat in the early 60's....18 years before he ascended to the White House).

The libs/dems of today are the Quislings of former years. The cowards who would vote a fraud into office in exchange for handouts from the devil.

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Re: Never Trump Republicans plotting to back Biden
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2019, 03:24:17 pm »
Just FYI:  Regardless of how you feel about Trump, if you're supporting Biden, you're not conservative.

Same thoughts here.  I call bull shit.

I think it is a ploy to make Biden look moderate and electable.
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« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2019, 03:27:32 pm »
The New Hampshire primary should be interesting because (I believe) folks can cross over and vote in the primary of their choice.   
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« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2019, 03:29:14 pm »
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Gallup also noted that the 86-point gap between Republicans and Democrats in the new poll tied a record. An overwhelming 91 percent of Republicans now approve of Trump's performance, compared to just 5 percent of Democrats. More than one-third of independents — 38 percent — approve of the job he is doing.

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« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2019, 03:31:14 pm »


Ah. Your usual witty riposte. How original.
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« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2019, 03:38:34 pm »
I do know a few conservatives who have given up.  They figure, what's the use; might as well vote for the Democrat.

Don't like that idea, but I understand their frustration.  There is no one who really represents us.  We're lost. 

And we aren't going to vote for Trump to "save us" from the Democrats.  Trump is no savior.

I don't know what I will do next year.  I have said I will stay home, but I don't want to do that either.  I promised my Dad I would always vote.  It's an important privilege that can be taken away in the blink of an eye if we don't vote. 

But what do we do when the choices are so bad?  I'm not doing the lesser of two evils thing.

 

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« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2019, 03:40:46 pm »
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New Hampshire
"This system is not a fully open primary, because people who are registered with a party (Republican or Democratic) on voting day cannot vote in the other party's primary."

So, you register for a party there.  It also says a person not registered for either party may vote for either one.