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Offline OfTheCross

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Abortion Bans Failed in the 19th Century. They'll Also Fail in the 21st.
« on: September 16, 2019, 04:52:49 pm »
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Over the last year, nine states have passed aggressive anti-abortion measures that aim to restrict access to early abortion procedures. The new bans, which have yet to take effect, are a direct challenge to the 1973 Supreme Court ruling in Roe v. Wade, which established a woman's right to obtain an abortion without excessive government restriction.

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As with the prohibition of drugs, alcohol, and sex work, a legal ban on abortion wouldn't be effective because a majority of Americans don't believe that the practice should be illegal.

But they also have an easier time than ever before of not getting pregnant in the first place. One of the biggest changes since the days when abortion first became a crime in the nineteenth century is better birth control. Today wider access to contraception has driven the U.S. abortion rate down to its lowest levels since the passage of Roe v. Wade, and that number could be brought down even further by making the pill available over-the-counter.

The major lesson of history is that activists should focus on changing individual minds because outlawing a widely accepted practice always leads to more human suffering.

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Re: Abortion Bans Failed in the 19th Century. They'll Also Fail in the 21st.
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2019, 05:01:23 pm »
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a legal ban on abortion wouldn't be effective because a majority of Americans don't believe that the practice should be illegal

Your premise is flawed.
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Re: Abortion Bans Failed in the 19th Century. They'll Also Fail in the 21st.
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2019, 05:09:34 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on September 16, 2019, 05:01:23 pm
Your premise is flawed.

He is flawed.   333cleo
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Re: Abortion Bans Failed in the 19th Century. They'll Also Fail in the 21st.
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2019, 05:16:12 pm »
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Re: Abortion Bans Failed in the 19th Century. They'll Also Fail in the 21st.
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2019, 05:35:55 pm »
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Murder bans have failed.

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Rape bans have failed.

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Kidnapping bans have failed.

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Theft bans have failed.

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So let's just legalize murder, rape, kidnapping, and theft, because banning them has failed. :chairbang:  :chairbang:  :chairbang:  :chairbang:  :chairbang:
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Re: Abortion Bans Failed in the 19th Century. They'll Also Fail in the 21st.
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2019, 05:42:01 pm »
Quote from: OfTheCross on September 16, 2019, 05:16:12 pm
how so?

The reason we got Roe to begin with is because a majority of the people in certain States believed abortion should not be legal.  And since the pro-abortionists couldn't deal with that truth, they decided to impose their tyranny on those States by denying the will of the majority.

If you really believed that a majority of the people support abortion, then you wouldn't need Roe.
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Re: Abortion Bans Failed in the 19th Century. They'll Also Fail in the 21st.
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2019, 06:19:04 pm »
A reflection, asserting that the moral order, hardly gossipy opinion, matters.
Born w/Mankind and predating all structured religions by endless thousands
of years, is the Natural Law.
It is a body of eternal moral precepts, forming the basis for all human conduct
by defining the virtues inherent in our nature and found through reason and logic.
A cardinal precept is that the Family Unit of Father, Mother and Children is the
bedrock of culture, society and civilization as well as the template for governance.
Therefor intuitively any behavior that harms the Family Unit, such as abortion,
homosexuality and their related neuroses, is condemned and forbidden.
That this is neither accepted nor understood, defines modernism as the corrosive
societal force it has become and foretells our decline as a nation/state.
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Re: Abortion Bans Failed in the 19th Century. They'll Also Fail in the 21st.
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2019, 06:48:57 pm »
Quote from: OfTheCross on September 16, 2019, 05:16:12 pm
how so?

States are not the same, Maine isn't New Mexico or Missouri. Why not let states decide.
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Re: Abortion Bans Failed in the 19th Century. They'll Also Fail in the 21st.
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2019, 08:24:00 pm »
Quote from: TomSea on September 16, 2019, 06:48:57 pm
States are not the same, Maine isn't New Mexico or Missouri. Why not let states decide.



Although I don't agree with abortion, I do believe it should be a state decision. Of course in a perfect world there would be no abortion. But I really believe most states would ban it. Unless it is an East Coast or West Coast state.
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