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Believe it or doubt it, Senator Cruz alleged over a week ago that the deep state is trying to sabotage the Iran deal.

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“I'm here to tell you the deep state is alive and well,” he told a packed room at the conservative think tank.

Those sharing Cruz’s belief in the deep state say there is a body of career civil servants within federal agencies who hold extreme loyalty to the Obama administration and are involved in secret manipulation of the government to thwart President Donald Trump’s policies and agenda.

Cruz, who sits on the Foreign Relations Committee, pointed to efforts by the Treasury and State departments to preserve certain elements of the Iran nuclear deal, an Obama-era agreement that Trump has railed against and withdrew the United States from in May 2018.

https://www.rollcall.com/news/ted-cruz-preaches-deep-state-warnings-to-establishment-washington

Those are quite some accusations he is making.

The speech he made was to the Hudson Institute.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,374648.msg2049751.html#new

We are all saying, it's a done deal, we withdrew from the deal or Trump withdrew from the deal, administration but he does give specific examples.

It could also be said to sound conspiratorial tin hat at that but he is sitting on the committees, so I think there must be something there.
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You mean the bureaucracy that is 100% controlled by Tump? Who runs the Foreign Policy office? The Administration. Who runs the LEO offices like HLS and FBI? The Administration.

Next.

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Oh, so Ted Cruz doesn't know what he's talking about? Is that what you mean?

 Next.

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Oh, so Ted Cruz doesn't know what he's talking about? Is that what you mean?

 Next.

Ted Cruz does know what he is talking about.  Its that Trump is weak to the Deep State.  Roamer is right too.  Trump is the Deep State.

Next.
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....like he’s the King of Israel. They love him like he is the second coming of God...But American Jews don’t know him or like him. They don’t even know what they’re doing or saying anymore. It makes no sense! But that’s OK, if he keeps doing what he’s doing, he’s good for.....
4:34 AM · Aug 21, 2019

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Absolutely.  Trump needs to show his Princess and her Creepy Herman the door.

(Btw love your new avatar)

True.  Absolute liberals, the pair.  He is creepy, very.
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....like he’s the King of Israel. They love him like he is the second coming of God...But American Jews don’t know him or like him. They don’t even know what they’re doing or saying anymore. It makes no sense! But that’s OK, if he keeps doing what he’s doing, he’s good for.....
4:34 AM · Aug 21, 2019

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He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

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So, the ones who distrust the Government the most are the ones who complain the loudest about an outsider if he's not a magician waving a magic wand to fix everything right away.

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So, the ones who distrust the Government the most are the ones who complain the loudest about an outsider if he's not a magician waving a magic wand to fix everything right away.

 :troll:

That was the lie of it all.  Trump was never an outsider.  People really forget his ties to DC.  His lobbying.  His past desires to run for President.  He's begged at the feet of many politicians.  Regular golf buddies and friends too.
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....like he’s the King of Israel. They love him like he is the second coming of God...But American Jews don’t know him or like him. They don’t even know what they’re doing or saying anymore. It makes no sense! But that’s OK, if he keeps doing what he’s doing, he’s good for.....
4:34 AM · Aug 21, 2019

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Behold, the Deep State!
Amorphous, evil, ever to blame, and never to be identified...

MUHUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

RUUUUUUUNNNNN! The Deeeep State! It's cooooommmminggggg!

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK!!!!


Sorry... The Deep State made me do it.  :whistle:
O_M_G !! I can't believe it took me this long to see it.  *****rollingeyes*****

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That was the lie of it all.  Trump was never an outsider.  People really forget his ties to DC.  His lobbying.  His past desires to run for President.  He's begged at the feet of many politicians.  Regular golf buddies and friends too.

Trump has always in my eyes been a left of center sleazy developer.  How we got into this predicament with him where he is  is beyond bizzare. 

Bolton's departure is just another click closer to that leftward shift we all expected.  Sad so many on our side got duped by this political trojan horse.
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No!  Decidedly NOT controlled by Trump or any other president for that matter and that has been the case for far too long.   Since Woodrow  Wilson at least!  Presidents get to appoint a few people at the top of agencies and those people ultimately have little to no control over the people with GS numbers who allegedly work for them.  "I'll still be here when you are long gone Mr. Secretary" is a mantra too often heard in Washington these days.

Start pointing fingers. Point em out.

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Start pointing fingers. Point em out.

I am a little confused.  Career Beaurecrats are the Deep State?
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I am a little confused.  Career Beaurecrats are the Deep State?

Right. moles planted and controlled by democrat leadership, I guess...

Sorry, I have just experienced suspension of my suspension of disbelief.
Moving into I cry bullcrap territory.

Where's the deep state participants perpwalking and frog-marching these last four years ?

This only ends one way - With NOBODY ever identified, and a whole lot of sacrificed principles done in by chasing after boogey monsters.

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Trump has always in my eyes been a left of center sleazy developer. 

That's right.

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How we got into this predicament with him where he is  is beyond bizzare. 

Bolton's departure is just another click closer to that leftward shift we all expected.  Sad so many on our side got duped by this political trojan horse.

That's right too.

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Right. moles planted and controlled by democrat leadership, I guess...

Sorry, I have just experienced suspension of my suspension of disbelief.
Moving into I cry bullcrap territory.

Where's the deep state participants perpwalking and frog-marching these last four years ?

This only ends one way - With NOBODY ever identified, and a whole lot of sacrificed principles done in by chasing after boogey monsters.

     For such an "effective, strong leader," a veritable "stable genius" capable of "six dimensional chess" blessed with the clairvoyance to "hire the best people" and sitting in the most powerful seat in the world, Trump sure is victimized a lot.

    Maybe he's too busy flinging poo at actresses on twitter to take on the shadowy Deep State?

    The Deep State. This nefarious 100 year cabal of self-perpetuating (or vampire?) bureaucrats who was somehow able to help guide the U.S. to economic supremacy, to Cold War victory, and to being lone superpower as they diabolically undermined presidents--only Republican presidents?--only Trump?

    Nothing is ever Trump's fault. Ever. The buck always stops elsewhere (except those that land in his corrupt administration's pocket). His failings are never the result of his own incompetent, incurious, despotic, nepotistic, narcissistic insipidity; rather, it's "bad advice" or "fake news" or "deep state" or "Soros-aligned maneuverings" or "spineless RINOs."

      Thank goodness we have QAnon primed (soon...it's coming!) to expose and vanquish the Deep State.

     
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     For such an "effective, strong leader," a veritable "stable genius" capable of "six dimensional chess" blessed with the clairvoyance to "hire the best people" and sitting in the most powerful seat in the world, Trump sure is victimized a lot.

    Maybe he's too busy flinging poo at actresses on twitter to take on the shadowy Deep State?

    The Deep State. This nefarious 100 year cabal of self-perpetuating (or vampire?) bureaucrats who was somehow able to help guide the U.S. to economic supremacy, to Cold War victory, and to being lone superpower as they diabolically undermined presidents--only Republican presidents?--only Trump?

    Nothing is ever Trump's fault. Ever. The buck always stops elsewhere (except those that land in his corrupt administration's pocket). His failings are never the result of his own incompetent, incurious, despotic, nepotistic, narcissistic insipidity; rather, it's "bad advice" or "fake news" or "deep state" or "Soros-aligned maneuverings" or "spineless RINOs."

      Thank goodness we have QAnon primed (soon...it's coming!) to expose and vanquish the Deep State.

     

Trump is the Chosen One alright.  He's chosen to move this country further left than any Conservative could ever imagine.  You would have thought it would be kicking and screaming.  But this Deep State clown slid right in smoother than peanut butter.  All he had to do was get the blessing of the Evangelicals.

What's the worst thing in this country?  The move left the social engineering.  The thought police.  Everyone should have seen it coming.  The big bad Trump that always cowered at the feet of Nancy and Chuck.  Behind the scenes homosexual agenda.  Things that don't get reported to QAnon.  Like that he pushed all countries to abolish laws against homosexuality as a global human right.  Well there's nothing hateful against homosexuals here.  We have one running for president.  Yet they continue to force themselves on everyone.  Suing people who don't want to bake a homosexual cake.  Don't want to hold a homosexual wedding.  Don't want to make homosexual announcements.

Liberal Trumps have changed the face of America in ways we probably don't even know.  Very, very liberal Ivanka and Jared pulling the strings.

As for the Jerry Falwell Jr. show.  That guy is crazy.  New reports of him partying in a nightclub.  His covering up of pictures of his wife and him.  Even Christianity isn't Christianity anymore.  Lots of mega church pro Trump Evangelicals and their NAR New Age malarkey.  We are heading to the New Age of Aquarius via the political church.
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Start pointing fingers. Point em out.

With pleasure @roamer-1!  Get yourself a government directory from the GSA and look at virtually EVERY name in it that has a GS number associated with it! NOT those subject to the will of the President but the career service people particularly in the Department of State and all that interact with it!

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Right. moles planted and controlled by democrat leadership, I guess...

EXACTLY right @roamer_1! Carefully planned and put into place over a LONG period of time beginning with the Woodrow Wilson administration!

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Sorry, I have just experienced suspension of my suspension of disbelief.
Moving into I cry bullcrap territory.
 

You can suspend whatever you wish and cry whatever you like but it won't change the reality of the situation! Putting one's head in the sand is of no use whatever.

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Where's the deep state participants perpwalking and frog-marching these last four years ?

Good question! But given what I have explained above I can somewhat understand it taking a long time and fully believe that it's going to happen very soon.

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This only ends one way - With NOBODY ever identified, and a whole lot of sacrificed principles done in by chasing after boogey monsters.

I sincerely hope you are proven to be 100% wrong and believe you will be.

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     For such an "effective, strong leader," a veritable "stable genius" capable of "six dimensional chess" blessed with the clairvoyance to "hire the best people" and sitting in the most powerful seat in the world, Trump sure is victimized a lot.

    Maybe he's too busy flinging poo at actresses on twitter to take on the shadowy Deep State?

    The Deep State. This nefarious 100 year cabal of self-perpetuating (or vampire?) bureaucrats who was somehow able to help guide the U.S. to economic supremacy, to Cold War victory, and to being lone superpower as they diabolically undermined presidents--only Republican presidents?--only Trump?

    Nothing is ever Trump's fault. Ever. The buck always stops elsewhere (except those that land in his corrupt administration's pocket). His failings are never the result of his own incompetent, incurious, despotic, nepotistic, narcissistic insipidity; rather, it's "bad advice" or "fake news" or "deep state" or "Soros-aligned maneuverings" or "spineless RINOs."

      Thank goodness we have QAnon primed (soon...it's coming!) to expose and vanquish the Deep State.

     

Do you think that anyone alive would have been able to accomplish more in this short time given the situation as it exists and not as you seem to think it exists?

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   Just waking up on this solemn day is so damn depressing, Trump tweeting about fake polls just prior to the Moment of Silence, depresses me even more.  Just as 18 years ago we were faced with a critical choice, so were we 15 years later in 2016.  It's SAD that so many Republicans decided that instead of putting this Country on the right track it'd be better to sit back and watch liberal heads explode for at least 4 years. 

No government in the 6,000 years of modern mankind history has led its people into anything but the history books with a simple lesson, don't let this happen to you.

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   Just waking up on this solemn day is so damn depressing, Trump tweeting about fake polls just prior to the Moment of Silence, depresses me even more.  Just as 18 years ago we were faced with a critical choice, so were we 15 years later in 2016.  It's SAD that so many Republicans decided that instead of putting this Country on the right track it'd be better to sit back and watch liberal heads explode for at least 4 years. 



He brought up polls right before a  9-11 Remembrance ceremony?  Tell me you are kidding.....
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He brought up polls right before a  9-11 Remembrance ceremony?  Tell me you are kidding.....

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Trump rages over 'phony' poll

By Brett Samuels  - 09/11/19 08:40 AM EDT
   

President Trump on Wednesday lashed out at a new Washington Post–ABC News poll showing him trailing five Democratic presidential candidates, dismissing it as a "phony suppression poll."

The president sent three tweets complaining about the poll just minutes before he was scheduled to participate in a moment of silence marking the anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

Trump blasted the Post and ABC as "one of the worst pollsters of them all." He claimed the news outlets projected him to lose by "15 points" in 2016, though their final poll predicted Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton would win by 4 percentage points.

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https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/460855-trump-dismisses-poll-showing-five-democrats-leading-him-in
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Trump is the Chosen One alright.  He's chosen to move this country further left than any Conservative could ever imagine.  You would have thought it would be kicking and screaming.  But this Deep State clown slid right in smoother than peanut butter.  All he had to do was get the blessing of the Evangelicals.

What's the worst thing in this country?  The move left the social engineering.  The thought police.  Everyone should have seen it coming.  The big bad Trump that always cowered at the feet of Nancy and Chuck.  Behind the scenes homosexual agenda.  Things that don't get reported to QAnon.  Like that he pushed all countries to abolish laws against homosexuality as a global human right.  Well there's nothing hateful against homosexuals here.  We have one running for president.  Yet they continue to force themselves on everyone.  Suing people who don't want to bake a homosexual cake.  Don't want to hold a homosexual wedding.  Don't want to make homosexual announcements.

Liberal Trumps have changed the face of America in ways we probably don't even know.  Very, very liberal Ivanka and Jared pulling the strings.

As for the Jerry Falwell Jr. show.  That guy is crazy.  New reports of him partying in a nightclub.  His covering up of pictures of his wife and him.  Even Christianity isn't Christianity anymore.  Lots of mega church pro Trump Evangelicals and their NAR New Age malarkey.  We are heading to the New Age of Aquarius via the political church.

Christianity IS Christianity and always will be @Chosen Daughter   You have a choice not to follow the New Age b.s.  I stopped going to church because of all the malarkey.  The denominational churches demand $$$ and then give it to leftist causes and non-denominational churches do the same and I have yet to meet a born again Christian that wasn't hypocritical.  I continue to pray every day, read the Bible and strive to have a closer relationship with God Almighty the Lord Jesus Christ.

Trust in your Christian beliefs and roots.  Refuse to become a part of the attack on Christianity and those who try to destroy it from within the churches.
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     For such an "effective, strong leader," a veritable "stable genius" capable of "six dimensional chess" blessed with the clairvoyance to "hire the best people" and sitting in the most powerful seat in the world, Trump sure is victimized a lot.

    Maybe he's too busy flinging poo at actresses on twitter to take on the shadowy Deep State?

    The Deep State. This nefarious 100 year cabal of self-perpetuating (or vampire?) bureaucrats who was somehow able to help guide the U.S. to economic supremacy, to Cold War victory, and to being lone superpower as they diabolically undermined presidents--only Republican presidents?--only Trump?

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Hey wait!  I think I've seen this series plot before...




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    Nothing is ever Trump's fault. Ever. The buck always stops elsewhere (except those that land in his corrupt administration's pocket). His failings are never the result of his own incompetent, incurious, despotic, nepotistic, narcissistic insipidity; rather, it's "bad advice" or "fake news" or "deep state" or "Soros-aligned maneuverings" or "spineless RINOs."

Con-job 101 - Always have someone to blame. Once you have gained trust, protect that trust by pointing bad things elsewhere.

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Thank goodness we have QAnon primed (soon...it's coming!) to expose and vanquish the Deep State.



RIIIIGHT. What ever happened to that anyway??? I thought Hillary was gonna be frog-marched to the gallows and all? Oh, yeah, I forgot... IT'S COMING... JUST WAIT!!!  *****rollingeyes*****

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Trump is the Chosen One alright.  He's chosen to move this country further left than any Conservative could ever imagine.  You would have thought it would be kicking and screaming.  But this Deep State clown slid right in smoother than peanut butter.  All he had to do was get the blessing of the Evangelicals.

Yep, and the Evangelicals will be the political bagholders

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EXACTLY right @roamer_1! Carefully planned and put into place over a LONG period of time beginning with the Woodrow Wilson administration!

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Riiiiight. The DEMS can fire em, but we can't!
Why, pray tell, don't we have our own 'Deep State' patriots embedded likewise?

If it IS true, which is beyond absurd, then all you have proven is again, how worthless and bumbling the Republican party has been.

I will bet you right now, there will never be a damn thing proven about this 'Deep State' bullcrap, and 'Q' will never get the goods, nor be identified... And all this whole line of crap is, is a boogey man to blame, and rally against.

It will vanish like a fart in a windstorm. Watch and see.


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