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In your opinion Was Trump's decision to Fire Bolton Good or Bad?

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It's his perogative (Jury still out option)
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Voting closed: September 15, 2019, 02:33:31 PM

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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #75 on: September 10, 2019, 02:29:48 PM »
For all of those saying things like that progressives are the ones who think they can peacefully deal with Iran like Obama's deal, remember, you have Democrats who are hawks on this issue, but if things go belly-up in Afghanistan or Iran, guess who gets the blame?  And the Dems skate on the issue.

I'm definitely sorry to see Bolton go, a positive factor.

But a few years ago, he wrote that article on bombing Iran, that's pretty brash stuff. Say what you want for my stances, that's fine. That's what we are here for, to exchange opinions.

Speaking of, from the LA Times and USA Today, I found 2 editorials wanting us to stay over in Afghanistan. They are probably right in my view, they are also from publications that one would not be associating with conservatives.


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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #76 on: September 10, 2019, 02:30:56 PM »
Bolton was clearly never a good fit for Trump.  He is too much of a hawk to be compatible with Trump's non-interventionist inclinations.  I think Trump used him as a "bad cop" to try to extract more in negotiations, but Bolton is not likely to accept compromise, and Trump is looking to close some big foreign policy deals before the election.

Things are so wacky in right wing politics right now I expect to read next that Bolton and Sarah Palin are getting married. 
 

 
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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #77 on: September 10, 2019, 02:32:49 PM »
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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #78 on: September 10, 2019, 02:33:58 PM »
Of course, we can @Right_in_Virginia but you need to lose this idea that standing up to people = a warmonger!  It doesn't!

I traditionally applaud those who stand up and voice an opinion, especially if it's a contrary one.  So that's not it with Bolton.  I really didn't like most of his opinions.  I know in some circles I hold the minority opinion--so I'm kindda use to people not being terribly pleased with me about this.   happy77
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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #79 on: September 10, 2019, 02:35:07 PM »
Ok corbe.  Do your thing.   

Make a poll on this "was Trump right to fire Bolton".   And maybe a poll on who thinks staying in Afghanistan (like Bolton apparently did) is the correct stance.  Me?  I'd rather we get the hell out of there... what good is it doing?   But that's just me and I don't know the "whys" of staying in Afghanistan vs. leaving.  ?

   Added Poll to this thread @XenaLee  Thanks for the suggestion.
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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #80 on: September 10, 2019, 02:45:36 PM »
Trump campaigned on doing away with the Iran nuclear deal. He can't backpedal on that too much if people see that as the issue.

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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #81 on: September 10, 2019, 02:47:33 PM »
Trump campaigned on doing away with the Iran nuclear deal. He can't backpedal on that too much if people see that as the issue.

He already did pull us out of that ""deal"".   I doubt very much that he would waver from that stance now..... Bolton or no Bolton.
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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #82 on: September 10, 2019, 02:48:54 PM »
the turnover rate in this Administration is horrible.

Clinton had 2 Advisors in 8 years
Bush had 2 Advisors in 8 years
Obama had 3 Advisors in 8 years

Trump has had 3 Advisors in 3 years

What is our National Security strategy ?  :pondering:
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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #83 on: September 10, 2019, 02:53:56 PM »
the turnover rate in this Administration is horrible.

Clinton had 2 Advisors in 8 years
Bush had 2 Advisors in 8 years
Obama had 3 Advisors in 8 years

Trump has had 3 Advisors in 3 years

What is our National Security strategy ?  :pondering:

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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #84 on: September 10, 2019, 02:57:20 PM »
the turnover rate in this Administration is horrible.

Clinton had 2 Advisors in 8 years
Bush had 2 Advisors in 8 years
Obama had 3 Advisors in 8 years

Trump has had 3 Advisors in 3 years

What is our National Security strategy:pondering:

Under this president? 

To not keep someone in a position that is not the best fit FOR that position....

but to retain only the most beneficial to America's defense and security...

unlike the idiot left and RINO globalist cucks..... who hire and then keep incompetent morons in positions of power until or unless they die.

(just a guess)
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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #85 on: September 10, 2019, 02:59:51 PM »

So you are like an animal that is extinct.

Many would agree with that statement.
But then the Coelacanths were found alive and well 66 million years later...

Extinct is a subjective term.
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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #86 on: September 10, 2019, 03:01:18 PM »
Under this president? 

To not keep someone in a position that is not the best fit FOR that position....

but to retain only the most beneficial to America's defense and security...

unlike the idiot left and RINO globalist cucks..... who hire and then keep incompetent morons in positions of power until or unless they die.

(just a guess)


Isolationism or cut and run is not in the best interest of America.  Unless you want terrorist attack in America we should finish what we started. Until the Taliban is wiped out we shoulld stay.
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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #87 on: September 10, 2019, 03:02:45 PM »
Many would agree with that statement.
But then the Coelacanths were found alive and well 66 million years later...

Extinct is a subjective term.


They lasted right up until the Neanderthals hunted them to "extinction."  :smokin:
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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #88 on: September 10, 2019, 03:05:02 PM »
They lasted h=right up until the Neanderthals hunted them to "extinction."  :smokin:

Which would make Neocons Neanderthals.  :smokin:


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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #89 on: September 10, 2019, 03:08:43 PM »

Isolationism or cut and run is not in the best interest of America.  Unless you want terrorist attack in America we should finish what we started. Until the Taliban is wiped out we shoulld stay.

Agreed....and to add our military has sacrificed their time during deployments, loss of life only to make peace with the terrorists they have been trying to kill....finish the job and get the hell out..
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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #90 on: September 10, 2019, 03:19:00 PM »
I'm not so much concerned about this but negotiating with the Taliban is just stupid.

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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #91 on: September 10, 2019, 03:20:24 PM »

Isolationism or cut and run is not in the best interest of America. 

Come on, man.  You can't throw around "isolationism" and "cut and run" when referring to a freaking war we've been fighting for EIGHTEEN YEARS.

Get out now and carpet bomb the territory on the way home.  Turn it to rubble; glass if we can find the backing in Congress.
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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #92 on: September 10, 2019, 03:23:11 PM »
He already did pull us out of that ""deal"".   I doubt very much that he would waver from that stance now..... Bolton or no Bolton.

He did in act but a story was posted somewhere here, that the deep state doesn't  fully deep six it.

In fact, that's what Sen. Cruz was just sayng days ago.

See:  https://m.jpost.com/American-Politics/CruzThe-deep-state-moves-against-Trump-policy-and-to-save-Iran-deal-600591

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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #93 on: September 10, 2019, 03:26:40 PM »
I'm not so much concerned about this but negotiating with the Taliban is just stupid.

I think it was put best when somebody said, "I doubt the ability if the Taliban to carry out the steps in any agreement."  I.E., they can't control their own actors.  It's not worth negotiating with somebody who can't do that simple thing, so why bother?
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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #94 on: September 10, 2019, 03:27:18 PM »
I'm not so much concerned about this but negotiating with the Taliban is just stupid.

They are the enemy.

Who else do you negotiate with?

The Taliban have their demands which is basically being against that government there, whom they do not recognize and so do not negotiate with.

I guess, they see us as having installed the official government.

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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #95 on: September 10, 2019, 03:28:13 PM »
Agreed....and to add our military has sacrificed their time during deployments, loss of life only to make peace with the terrorists they have been trying to kill....finish the job and get the hell out..

Thats the problem. How do you 'finish a job' empires have been unsuccessfully trying to finish for centuries? Afghanistan isn't a nation - its a location in a god forsaken desert filled with prehistoric tribes who live to fight.

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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #96 on: September 10, 2019, 03:28:40 PM »
Come on, man.  You can't throw around "isolationism" and "cut and run" when referring to a freaking war we've been fighting for EIGHTEEN YEARS.

Get out now and carpet bomb the territory on the way home.  Turn it to rubble; glass if we can find the backing in Congress.

If and when we do leave, there will be fighting on the way out, because local warlords are going to pick off evacuating troops just for the cred.
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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #97 on: September 10, 2019, 03:29:26 PM »
They are the enemy.

Who else do you negotiate with?

The Taliban have their demands which is basically being against that government there, whom they do not recognize and so do not negotiate with.

I guess, they see us as having installed the official government.

The ONLY thing we should be negotiating with the Taliban on is their unconditional surrender.  Anything less than that is a slap to the face of those of us that deployed there and to those that died there.
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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #98 on: September 10, 2019, 03:30:09 PM »
Thats the problem. How do you 'finish a job' empires have been unsuccessfully trying to finish for centuries? Afghanistan isn't a nation - its a location in a god forsaken desert filled with prehistoric tribes who live to fight.

Put another way....How do you explain to the family of the last soldier killed it was all a mistake, without saying the soldier himself was a mistake?
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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #99 on: September 10, 2019, 03:31:42 PM »
The ONLY thing we should be negotiating with the Taliban on is their unconditional surrender.  Anything less than that is a slap to the face of those of us that deployed there and to those that died there.

Could the Taliban be believed if they said they "surrender?" 
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