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In your opinion Was Trump's decision to Fire Bolton Good or Bad?

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19 (48.7%)
It's his perogative (Jury still out option)
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Voting closed: September 15, 2019, 02:33:31 PM

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Offline skeeter

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Re: John Bolton Out!
« Reply #25 on: September 10, 2019, 01:06:40 PM »

Along with that, so did the chances of…

1)  Pompeo resigning and running for the Kansas US Senate seat in 2020

2)  North Korea keeping their existing nuclear weapons

3)  Iran obtaining theirs

Dunno about number 1, but I seriously doubt Bolton was going to effect nos. 2 and 3 in the least.

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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #26 on: September 10, 2019, 01:06:56 PM »
Wonder if this is related to the Taliban meeting?

@austingirl IMHO no it's not about the Taliban meeting...it's about dealing with the Iranians.

Their foreign minister Zarif and Senator Rand Paul have been quite chummy lately.  Rand even invited him to a meeting July 15th when he was in town for the UN meetings.

The Iranians have been doing a lot of propaganda work against Bolton as well.

Rand holds his daddy's sentiments towards Iran (Blames the U.S.).

I fully expect to see Rand Paul take the lead in the Iran negotiations and Trump soften his rhetoric towards the mad mullahs in the near future.

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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #27 on: September 10, 2019, 01:08:49 PM »
Brett Baier saying Bolton was AGAINST the Camp David meeting and was skeptical about the Taliban wanting peace and not to trust them

Well...

duh.   As if Trump does "trust them"?   I don't think so.
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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #28 on: September 10, 2019, 01:09:34 PM »
Bolton says he offered to resign night before Trump announced his firing

By Brett Samuels  - 09/10/19 12:31 PM EDT
 

Outgoing national security adviser John Bolton on Tuesday disputed President Trump's account of his dismissal, tweeting that he offered to resign before the president announced his ouster.

"I offered to resign last night and President Trump said, 'Let's talk about it tomorrow,'" Bolton tweeted.

Washington Post reporter Robert Costa and other journalists said that Bolton had texted them to make clear that he resigned.

The messages came moments after Trump rocked Washington with a pair of tweets that said he had asked Bolton to step down due to disagreements about policy.

<..snip..>

https://thehill.com/homenews/460713-bolton-says-he-offered-to-resign-night-before-trump-announced-his-firing

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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #29 on: September 10, 2019, 01:11:23 PM »
Rand Paul angles to become Trump's emissary to Iran

The senator pitched the idea during a recent round of golf with the president.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/17/rand-paul-iran-talks-donald-trump-1418075
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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #30 on: September 10, 2019, 01:11:23 PM »
This is a little confusing.  According to many here, Bolton was a war-mongering neo-con and shouldn't ever be in a position of responsibility. ??
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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #31 on: September 10, 2019, 01:11:48 PM »
@austingirl IMHO no it's not about the Taliban meeting...it's about dealing with the Iranians.

Their foreign minister Zarif and Senator Rand Paul have been quite chummy lately.  Rand even invited him to a meeting July 15th when he was in town for the UN meetings.

The Iranians have been doing a lot of propaganda work against Bolton as well.

Rand holds his daddy's sentiments towards Iran (Blames the U.S.).

I fully expect to see Rand Paul take the lead in the Iran negotiations and Trump soften his rhetoric towards the mad mullahs in the near future.

Which I would disagree with.   Softening rhetoric (much less actions) with the Iranians will only be seen as being weak, the opposite of what tactic needs to be used.   

Just because Bolton is out (fired, quit, whatever) doesn't mean, necessarily, that Trump will...er... um...

soften.
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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #32 on: September 10, 2019, 01:12:52 PM »
This is a little confusing.  According to many here, Bolton was a war-mongering neo-con and shouldn't ever be in a position of responsibility. ??

Consider the sources on who's saying that.  Bolton is what Trump needed when it comes to dealing with the Taliban the NORKS and Iran.
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« Reply #33 on: September 10, 2019, 01:15:40 PM »
Which I would disagree with.   Softening rhetoric (much less actions) with the Iranians will only be seen as being weak, the opposite of what tactic needs to be used.   

Just because Bolton is out (fired, quit, whatever) doesn't mean, necessarily, that Trump will...er... um...

soften.

If Rand now has the President's ear...which by all reports he does...he'll soften his stance.

Like I said...Rand is a chip off the old block when it comes to foreign policy.  Especially where Iran is concerned.
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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #34 on: September 10, 2019, 01:18:52 PM »
Well....... George Conway and Scaramouche are still available?
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Re: John Bolton Out!
« Reply #35 on: September 10, 2019, 01:20:08 PM »
Dunno about number 1, but I seriously doubt Bolton was going to effect nos. 2 and 3 in the least.


He and Pompeo are among the biggest hawks on Iran and North Korea.
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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #36 on: September 10, 2019, 01:21:45 PM »
The Rand Paul connections to Trump, what txradioguy is saying sounds plausible to me, sounded plausible to me when they occurred months ago.

RP might bring some good things to the table but at the same time, of course, we want to beware of a Neville Chamberlain situation.

One of the Trump sons and Rand Paul had a campaign rally in one state.

Reading up, Rand is also one of the harsher Senators on Saudi Arabia, no military aid and so on, so that will be interesting.

And maybe Israel with Rand Paul but I expect our relation with Israel will remain largely the same.

We once had a poster here who claimed he went on a Holy Land cruise with John Bolton present.

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Re: John Bolton Out!
« Reply #37 on: September 10, 2019, 01:21:46 PM »

He and Pompeo are among the biggest hawks on Iran and North Korea.

Trump's policy has been pretty tough on Iran but it's been unusually lenient on the Norks. How would you explain that?

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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #38 on: September 10, 2019, 01:24:51 PM »
Rand would mainly be an emissary to Iran. I wouldn't want to overstate affect on NK etc.

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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #39 on: September 10, 2019, 01:26:47 PM »
If Rand now has the President's ear...which by all reports he does...he'll soften his stance.

Like I said...Rand is a chip off the old block when it comes to foreign policy.  Especially where Iran is concerned.

Well, let's hope that Rand does not get that "position/role".   Remember who else already has (and has had) Trump's ear.  His entire family of Democrats.  Which is, I suspect, part or most of the problem with his ""hiring decisions failures"".  I think Trump believes whatever he is told about someone until someone else tells him otherwise.    :shrug:

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Re: John Bolton Out!
« Reply #40 on: September 10, 2019, 01:27:22 PM »
Trump's policy has been pretty tough on Iran but it's been unusually lenient on the Norks. How would you explain that?


They’ve been pretty much the same – ‘maximum pressure’ sanctions. The only difference is North Koreans are used to living in squalor, with no real economy, industry, or exports. Iran depends heavily on oil exports - a much needed commodity. North Korea also has China on its doorstep. Any drastic measures taken against North Korea affects China.
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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #41 on: September 10, 2019, 01:28:24 PM »
Bolton's statement:  "You can't fire me, I quit!"
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Trump ousts National Security Adviser John Bolton, says they 'disagreed strongly' on policy
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-fires-national-security-advisor-john-bolton-over-disagreements-on-key-policy-matters

President Trump announced Tuesday that he has fired National Security Adviser John Bolton, saying he “disagreed strongly” with his suggestions on a range of issues.

“I informed John Bolton last night that his services are no longer needed at the White House,” Trump tweeted.

“I disagreed strongly with many of his suggestions, as did others in the Administration, and therefore I asked John for his resignation, which was given to me this morning,” he continued. “I thank John very much for his service. I will be naming a new National Security Advisor next week.”...
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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #43 on: September 10, 2019, 01:30:22 PM »
Bolton's statement:  "You can't fire me, I quit!"

Trump's unspoken statement:  "Let's talk tomorrow" = Translation:  "Fire ya later!"

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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #44 on: September 10, 2019, 01:30:54 PM »
Unusually amicable for a Trump tweet for someone who disagrees with him.
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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #45 on: September 10, 2019, 01:31:13 PM »
Trump and Bolton offer conflicting accounts on his White House exit

"I informed John Bolton last night that his services are no longer needed at the White House," Trump wrote.

[snip]

"I offered to resign last night and President Trump said, 'Let's talk about it tomorrow,'" he wrote online.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/10/trump-ousts-john-bolton-as-national-security-adviser-1488093


Looks like yet another chicken sh*t dismissal by tweet.
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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #47 on: September 10, 2019, 01:35:51 PM »
The Rand Paul connections to Trump, what txradioguy is saying sounds plausible to me, sounded plausible to me when they occurred months ago.

RP might bring some good things to the table but at the same time, of course, we want to beware of a Neville Chamberlain situation.

One of the Trump sons and Rand Paul had a campaign rally in one state.

Reading up, Rand is also one of the harsher Senators on Saudi Arabia, no military aid and so on, so that will be interesting.

And maybe Israel with Rand Paul but I expect our relation with Israel will remain largely the same.

We once had a poster here who claimed he went on a Holy Land cruise with John Bolton present.

Thank you John Bolton for all you have done.

If I were Israel right now I'd be concerned.  Rand and his daddy's views on Israel are pretty much the same...and that's not a good thing.
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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #48 on: September 10, 2019, 01:37:32 PM »
Poor John.  Worked for four administrations … and still no war with Iran.  Damn!

His departure pleases me. 
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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #49 on: September 10, 2019, 01:37:38 PM »
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