BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!

[DCPatriot]

Yes, and I'm trying to remember her name.  I'll post it if/when I remember it.

Alamo Girl?   

[EdJames]

Allegra from FR was a contractor.... not sure exactly what her role was....

[Hoodat]

That Mittens thinks Bolton's departure is a sad thing may tend to persuade me that it's a good thing.

Seeing Mittens to the right of Trump is what's really sad.

[TomSea]

Too bad we can't go back to the Bush doctrine.  Low presence.  Specialized engagement.  Strong relationship with tribal allies.  Minimal casualties.  The goal was to prevent a pro-Taliban government from attaining power in Kabul.  It worked.  Brilliantly it worked.  And it was all thrown away in 2009.

Trump needs to immediately abandon the Obama doctrine resulted in a threefold increase in casualties and return to the minimal presence that Bush originally enacted.

Afghanistan was the "good war" according to Obama.  Now, this was when Obama was newly inaugurated, within weeks:

The Obama surge

U.S. Pres. Barack Obama went to the White House promising to focus attention and resources on the faltering war effort in Afghanistan. On February 17, 2009, he approved sending an additional 17,000 U.S. troops, on top of the 36,000 U.S. troops and 32,000 NATO service members already there.

https://www.britannica.com/event/Afghanistan-War/The-Obama-surge

Yeah, Bush's tactics were working great.

[roamer_1]

Seeing Mittens to the right of Trump is what's really sad.

That he can get anywhere near to being to the right is doom. Because the Dems will play the same song. And if they do, they will win.

[corbe]

Josh Ritter - "Girl In The War"


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   Always liked Alamo Girl

[Sanguine]

Allegra!

[Hoodat]

Afghanistan was the "good war" according to Obama.  Now, this was when Obama was newly inaugurated, within weeks:
Yeah, Bush's tactics were working great.

So tell me what was "faltering" in 2009?  It is not often that I hear a poster here using Obama talking points.  So convince me.  Explain from Obama's point of view exactly what was faltering?

[Sanguine]

Allegra from FR was a contractor.... not sure exactly what her role was....

That's it.  She got sideways over at TOS and I'm not sure she ever came back.

[TomSea]

I'm for staying but staying means such tragedies as insider killings. There's been plenty of that and we will likely see more.  That's on all of our consciences too. Those killings and wounding especially bother me because who does it, is whom we are suppose to be protecting.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/17/world/asia/afghanistan-us-soldiers-insider-attack.html

[Cyber Liberty]

Afghanistan was the "good war" according to Obama.  Now, this was when Obama was newly inaugurated, within weeks:
Yeah, Bush's tactics were working great.

About that "Obama Surge." he asked what the bare minimum troop level would be to succeed, and the 17,000 troops was about 75% of that number, guaranteeing a failure.  Not sure how that was Bush's Fault.

[Cyber Liberty]

That's it.  She got sideways over at TOS and I'm not sure she ever came back.

I think she mended the bridges there.  She has an account here, but took a powder after very few posts.  I lost a lot of respect for her since she came back from Iraq, she has a bit of SJW in her.

[TomSea]

So tell me what was "faltering" in 2009?  It is not often that I hear a poster here using Obama talking points.  So convince me.  Explain from Obama's point of view exactly what was faltering?

On October 1, 2008, the top American general in Afghanistan, David McKiernan, warned that the situation in Afghanistan could get a lot worse. The international forces within Afghanistan have not been able to hold territory they have cleared because of the lack of troops. For this reason the general called for an extra three combat brigades (roughly 20,000 troops). Without this urgent rush of troops the Taliban would be able to get back into the communities that were once cleared by international troops. The general went on to say that things could get a lot worse before they get better.[19]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_in_Afghanistan

General David McKiernan, born in Atlanta GA. Sound like an Obama talking point? Doesn't to me.  October 2008.


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[Sanguine]

I think she mended the bridges there.  She has an account here, but took a powder after very few posts.  I lost a lot of respect for her since she came back from Iraq, she has a bit of SJW in her.

That's disappointing.

[Cyber Liberty]

That's disappointing.

Very much so, for me personally.  Until she went all SJW on me, I had counted her as a friend.  She ended up accusing me of "mansplaining."  When she reiterated it, I blocked her on Bookface and vaporized her from my pages.

[Bigun]

Very much so, for me personally.  Until she went all SJW on me, I had counted her as a friend.  She ended up accusing me of "mansplaining."  When she reiterated it, I blocked her on Bookface and vaporized her from my pages.

She was always a bit shakey IMHO.

[Hoodat]

General David McKiernan, born in Atlanta GA. Sound like an Obama talking point? Doesn't to me.  October 2008.

Not sure what any of that has to do with the original mission which was to prevent a terrorist-friendly government in Afghanistan.  So again, what part of that goal was faltering?

btw, McKiernan had a history of calling for more troops though his career.  Nothing different about this one.  Of course if you are really into the whole 'nation-building' thing, then it would explain why you support the Obama doctrine - failure that it was.  But the whole point was to prevent another Taliban government by supporting the anti-Taliban alliance.  It had nothing at all to do with trying to hold on to every square kilometer of the country like the Soviets tried to do in the 80s.  Bush should be applauded.  Loudly.  He did what others said was not possible.  And it sickens me to hear people on a Conservative web site bashing him for not being more like Obama and Trump.

[aligncare]

With every decision or with every action Trump took came the cries of ...that was a “stupid move for Trump to fill in the blank” — tweet, comment, hire, fire, meet with, etc.

And yet each time that happened, Trump was proven right regarding said actions, tweet or statements. Every body else was wrong, including GOP grey beards.

I think I’ll go with Trump’s instinct on this, he’s been vindicated enough times for me to trust his decisions.

[txradioguy]

General David McKiernan, born in Atlanta GA. Sound like an Obama talking point? Doesn't to me.  October 2008.


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I did McKiernan's retirement ceremony after Obama fired him from running Afghanistan and replaced him with McCrystal.  Only the SecDef Robert Gates showed up for his ceremony.

Bitter doesn't begin to describe the General's of his voice when he delivered his remarks.

[bigheadfred]

She was always a bit shakey IMHO.

The company she keeps.

[skeeter]

With every decision or with every action Trump took came the cries of ...that was a “stupid move for Trump to fill in the blank” — tweet, comment, hire, fire, meet with, etc.

And yet each time that happened, Trump was proven right regarding said actions, tweet or statements. Every body else was wrong, including GOP grey beards.

I think I’ll go with Trump’s instinct on this, he’s been vindicated enough times for me to trust his decisions.

I haven’t felt the same about John Bolton since the Tucker Carlson interview. Although Carlson was hard on him Bolton showed a surprising lack of grace for a senior statesman.

Of course I am more sympathetic with Carlson’s point f view.

[bigheadfred]

I did McKiernan's retirement ceremony after Obama fired him from running Afghanistan and replaced him with McCrystal.  Only the SecDef Robert Gates showed up for his ceremony.

Bitter doesn't begin to describe the General's of his voice when he delivered his remarks.

Am I mistaken? Seems like both B2 and Obama fired a lot of generals who offered up a good plan to defeat the jihadists.

[corbe]

I did McKiernan's retirement ceremony after Obama fired him from running Afghanistan and replaced him with McCrystal.  Only the SecDef Robert Gates showed up for his ceremony.

Bitter doesn't begin to describe the General's of his voice when he delivered his remarks.

   Gates also came to Rex Tillerson's defense when he was fired by Tweet.

[Bigun]

Am I mistaken? Seems like both B2 and Obama fired a lot of generals who offered up a good plan to defeat the jihadists.

No @bigheadfred, you most definately are not mistaken! 

[TomSea]

With every decision or with every action Trump took came the cries of ...that was a “stupid move for Trump to fill in the blank” — tweet, comment, hire, fire, meet with, etc.

And yet each time that happened, Trump was proven right regarding said actions, tweet or statements. Every body else was wrong, including GOP grey beards.

I think I’ll go with Trump’s instinct on this, he’s been vindicated enough times for me to trust his decisions.

 

Good post, I wasn't for Bolton being fired, not saying it was the wrong thing to do.

They are strong-willed individuals...I don't fault Bolton,

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/bolton-likely-axed-over-taliban-deal-leaks/

That Korea matter, Afghanistan, sure tells me, we will find out more about this in the future.