BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!

[DCPatriot]

I agree.

As one GOP primary opponent eloquently stated in 2016....... 
"Donald Trump has a tenuous realtionship with the truth."

Ted Cruz   4 Mar 2016

And, here we go.....       

[TomSea]

So, in other words, as things stand,  we really can't win one of these wars with our hands tied, our backs have to be up against the wall like WWII. That's part of the problem alright.  That's why we nation-builded.

Though Iraq, imho, was a won war, is won again. Iraq succeeds, Afghanistan, work-in-process.

And yes, Afghanistan has almost an endless supply of fighters, many foreigners not just the Pashtuns.

[XenaLee]

Isolationism or cut and run is not in the best interest of America.  Unless you want terrorist attack in America we should finish what we started. Until the Taliban is wiped out we shoulld stay.

Uh huh.   And how many years did Russia fight in Afghanistan until they finally gave up and left.  And then what do we do?  Make the same stupid mistake.  It seems pretty obvious to me that Afghanistan has become the muzzie's favorite way to drain their enemy's wealth and resolve.   I dunno.  I doubt that the Taliban will ever be "wiped out" completely... no matter what the US does.  Look at ISIS.  They seem to be "coming back".   It's giving Islamic wackos in the ME something to kill for and to die for. 

[TomSea]

Uh huh.   And how many years did Russia fight in Afghanistan until they finally gave up and left.  And then what do we do?  Make the same stupid mistake.  It seems pretty obvious to me that Afghanistan has become the muzzie's favorite way to drain their enemy's wealth and resolve.   I dunno.  I doubt that the Taliban will ever be "wiped out" completely... no matter what the US does.  Look at ISIS.  They seem to be "coming back".   It's giving Islamic wackos in the ME something to kill for and to die for.

More like Vietnam all over again.
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-09-09/donald-trump-taliban-afghanistan-peace-deal-vietnam

[libertybele]

Uh huh.   And how many years did Russia fight in Afghanistan until they finally gave up and left.  And then what do we do?  Make the same stupid mistake.  It seems pretty obvious to me that Afghanistan has become the muzzie's favorite way to drain their enemy's wealth and resolve.   I dunno.  I doubt that the Taliban will ever be "wiped out" completely... no matter what the US does.  Look at ISIS.  They seem to be "coming back".   It's giving Islamic wackos in the ME something to kill for and to die for.

From my understanding; Bammy tied our soldiers hands and he also withdrew troops with no plan (or intent IMHO) to stabilize the area.  I would hope that Trump was planning on firing him and has someone worthwhile and completely capable who can quickly step in to replace him.

[DCPatriot]

[mountaineer]

That Mittens thinks Bolton's departure is a sad thing may tend to persuade me that it's a good thing.

  Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah) defended outgoing national security adviser John Bolton on Tuesday, calling his firing a “huge loss.”

"His view was not always the same as everybody else in the room. That’s why you wanted him there. The fact that he was a contrarian from time to time is an asset not a liability,” Romney told reporters Tuesday after the president tweeted that Bolton had been fired.

“I’m very very unhappy to hear that he’s leaving. It is a huge loss for the administration in my opinion and for the nation,” Romney added.  ... The Hill

[Hoodat]

TADA!

Another Conservative bites the dust forever in the Tump administration.

Correctamundo.  Bolton had been a blessing to this Administration.  Clearly, they are getting very bad advice from someone else.

[txradioguy]

So, in other words, as things stand,  we really can't win one of these wars with our hands tied, our backs have to be up against the wall like WWII. That's part of the problem alright.  That's why we nation-builded.

Though Iraq, imho, was a won war, is won again. Iraq succeeds, Afghanistan, work-in-process.

And yes, Afghanistan has almost an endless supply of fighters, many foreigners not just the Pashtuns.

Not really.  We had a chance to make Iraq a success story...but the Obama administration either through stupidity or deliberate actions screwed it up.  They pulled forces out entirely...despite the Iraqi Government forces begging them not to...and we left with no Status of Forces Agreement which was another colossal mistake. 

As we've discovered Mattis tried to warn the Administration about the rise of an ISIS like force if we pulled out and he was fired for being right.

Now Iran is exuding influence over Iraq...there generals were advising Iraqi military forces not our generals and the Iranians were supplying the Iraqi Army with weapons and munitions while Obama refused.

Iraq was in a much better position than Afghanistan once we drove the pro Saddam and Taliban forces from the battlefield...then the Liberals took over and snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

[Hoodat]

Consider the sources on who's saying that.  Bolton is what Trump needed when it comes to dealing with the Taliban the NORKS and Iran.

Bad Cop has been let go.

[edpc]

He clearly learned that from Reagan.  It's always a good rule of thumb.

Interestingly, it's a Russian proverb, which Reagan cleverly tossed back at them.

[TomSea]

Okay, I can understand those wanting us out of Afghanistan.

But as an aside, at this point, we are in a long-term struggle with Terrorism no matter what, it won't sleep and neither can we.

We're over in Somalia on limited missions, Chad and so on. Remember our soldiers who were ambushed over there?

Canada and France are in it too. Over the long haul, it is a problem that we need to keep up on. It certainly doesn't mean we have to get into an 18 year long shooting war all the time but we must be vigilant.

And there is probably some truth that if we don't get them over there, they'll make their way over here. Already, attacks on the West seem to have declined.

[corbe]

       Better than being a WWF Hall of Famer.

[TomSea]

Not really.  We had a chance to make Iraq a success story...but the Obama administration either through stupidity or deliberate actions screwed it up.  They pulled forces out entirely...despite the Iraqi Government forces begging them not to...and we left with no Status of Forces Agreement which was another colossal mistake. 

As we've discovered Mattis tried to warn the Administration about the rise of an ISIS like force if we pulled out and he was fired for being right.

Now Iran is exuding influence over Iraq...there generals were advising Iraqi military forces not our generals and the Iranians were supplying the Iraqi Army with weapons and munitions while Obama refused.

Iraq was in a much better position than Afghanistan once we drove the pro Saddam and Taliban forces from the battlefield...then the Liberals took over and snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

I indeed meant Iraq was won... not really saying it was won per Obama but it was largely won, by 2011, you could walk around, you didn't need to wear  your helmet. Safe.

[txradioguy]

I indeed meant Iraq was won... not really saying it was won per Obama but it was largely won, by 2011, you could walk around, you didn't need to wear  your helmet. Safe.

Yes by 2011 it was fairly stable in the cities and civilians could walk around safely. Then we were gone by New Years Eve 2011 and things changed drastically.

[Hoodat]

@Bigun

Amazing how many people fall for the Progressive propaganda.

Even more amazing is how people generate it themselves when defending their leader.

[DCPatriot]

Didn't we used to have a female poster who did multiple tours in Iraq during and after the fall of Saddam? 

She was in the "green zone"...which means something entirely different today.   

Can't remember her name

[txradioguy]

Even more amazing is how people generate it themselves when defending their leader.

Indeed.  It's quite interesting to watch.

[bigheadfred]

Every Afghani is Taliban. Every one.

[Hoodat]

Isolationism or cut and run is not in the best interest of America.  Unless you want terrorist attack in America we should finish what we started. Until the Taliban is wiped out we shoulld stay.

Too bad we can't go back to the Bush doctrine.  Low presence.  Specialized engagement.  Strong relationship with tribal allies.  Minimal casualties.  The goal was to prevent a pro-Taliban government from attaining power in Kabul.  It worked.  Brilliantly it worked.  And it was all thrown away in 2009.

Trump needs to immediately abandon the Obama doctrine resulted in a threefold increase in casualties and return to the minimal presence that Bush originally enacted.

[Hoodat]

Excellent, another Bush neocon gone, happy days are here again.

You just went full Democrat.  Never go full Democrat.

[roamer_1]

Many of us back in '16 beleived that Trump would make a substantial "left" shift after election.  The transformation is well underway now.

I will predict you ain't seen nothing yet. Wait till he doesn't need another election and his legacy looms large.

[roamer_1]

Correctamundo.  Bolton had been a blessing to this Administration.  Clearly, they are getting very bad advice from someone else.

No, just the guy at the top throwing another hissy fit. Somebody took his yo-yo or something... 

[Sanguine]

Didn't we used to have a female poster who did multiple tours in Iraq during and after the fall of Saddam? 

She was in the "green zone"...which means something entirely different today.   

Can't remember her name

Yes, and I'm trying to remember her name.  I'll post it if/when I remember it.

[Cyber Liberty]

Didn't we used to have a female poster who did multiple tours in Iraq during and after the fall of Saddam? 

She was in the "green zone"...which means something entirely different today.   

Can't remember her name

A soldier?  I remember we had some gal over at FR who was a reporter.  A lousy one after she returned to the states to report more mundane things.  I think she works for a car wash now.