The first Europeans weren’t who you might think

[truth_seeker]

The first Europeans weren’t who you might think

Genetic tests of ancient settlers' remains show that Europe is a melting pot of bloodlines from Africa, the Middle East, and today's Russia.

Three waves of immigrants settled prehistoric Europe. The last, some 5,000 years ago, were the Yamnaya, horse-riding cattle herders from Russia who built imposing grave mounds like this one near Žabalj, Serbia.
DANUBIAN ROUTE OF YAMNAYA CULTURE PROJECT, NATIONAL SCIENCE CENTER, POLAND

The idea that there were once “pure” populations of ancestral Europeans, there since the days of woolly mammoths, has inspired ideologues since well before the Nazis. It has long nourished white racism, and in recent years it has stoked fears about the impact of immigrants: fears that have threatened to rip apart the European Union and roiled politics in the United States.

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https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/2019/07/first-europeans-immigrants-genetic-testing-feature/

[PeteS in CA]

Any European who claims pure-anything ancestry is either a loony-toon or hasn't gone far enough back in their ancestry.

[Sanguine]

The idea that there were once “pure” populations of ancestral Europeans, there since the days of woolly mammoths, has inspired ideologues since well before the Nazis. It has long nourished white racism, and in recent years it has stoked fears about the impact of immigrants: fears that have threatened to rip apart the European Union and roiled politics in the United States.

Who the hell do the writers at NG think believes this?

[Joe Wooten]

Who the hell do the writers at NG think believes this?

They DO NOT care. They are virtue signaling to fellow SJW's....

[truth_seeker]

The paragraph may well have been written by a sjw editor, but the science of DNA groups and migrations, is fairlywell established.

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/autosomal_maps_dodecad.shtml

[jpsb]

They DO NOT care. They are virtue signaling to fellow SJW's....

 

[Texas Yellow Rose]

Here's an interesting article:

The sixteen grandsons of Noah
https://creation.com/the-sixteen-grandsons-of-noah

[truth_seeker]

Here's an interesting article:

The sixteen grandsons of Noah
https://creation.com/the-sixteen-grandsons-of-noah

I would like to see that story, tied in with what we know about DNA distribution  and types.

[Smokin Joe]

Who the hell do the writers at NG think believes this?

National Geographic went round the bend with Anthropogenic Global Warming/Climate Change and has been a serious disappointment since. They are even pushing the whole 'Global Citizen' thing. I guess they (Headquartered in Washington, D.C.--I have been there) missed the first word in their name. "National".

Pretty pictures, but that's about it, and even the use of imagery is questionable at times, used to push an agenda.

Google (yeah, use them, they're proud of this stuff) "Globalists at National Geographic"

[Sanguine]

National Geographic went round the bend with Anthropogenic Global Warming/Climate Change and has been a serious disappointment since. They are even pushing the whole 'Global Citizen' thing. I guess they (Headquartered in Washington, D.C.--I have been there) missed the first word in their name. "National".

Pretty pictures, but that's about it, and even the use of imagery is questionable at times, used to push an agenda.

It's very sad.  I used to love NG.  Not now.

[Smokin Joe]

It's very sad.  I used to love NG.  Not now.

Me, too. Not only had I read back issues my Grandfather had to the late 1800s, I followed the whole development of the space program from the Mercury astronauts onward... Not to mention archaeological digs around the world and polar explorations. To some degree, that sparked my interests in geology and archaeology, and the diea of finding treasure, too. It had a great influence. But now, I'm almost afraid to let the grandkids/great grands read them because of the propaganda level.

[Joe Wooten]

Me, too. Not only had I read back issues my Grandfather had to the late 1800s, I followed the whole development of the space program from the Mercury astronauts onward... Not to mention archaeological digs around the world and polar explorations. To some degree, that sparked my interests in geology and archaeology, and the diea of finding treasure, too. It had a great influence. But now, I'm almost afraid to let the grandkids/great grands read them because of the propaganda level.

I dropped my subscription in 1998 because of their open leftism.

[sneakypete]

 

All people outside Africa are descended from ancestors who left that continent more than 60,000 years ago.

Absolute bullshit! Leftist propaganda.

ANYBODY with any understanding at all of the planet's history should understand that is a lie because most of the planet is now and has always been covered by water. The thing is all of the places that are dry continents or island now were once underwater,and the earlier places that were dry continents or islands are now underwater.

In other words,nobody knows who or what form of humanity roamed the planet back then. They might have been green and had a 3rd eye in the center of their foreheads for all we know. Or are likely to ever know.

What we DO know is that modern man and modern civilization began in either the place we now call China,or the place we now call Europe.

Neither one is in Africa,although to be fair we don't really know where Africa began because at one time Australia was a part of Africa,and for all we know Africa was populated by pink and purple people 2 feet tall at that time. Look up "Continental drift". 

[sneakypete]

Who the hell do the writers at NG think believes this?

@Sanguine

People that never heard of "traveling salesmen"?

[musiclady]

Any European who claims pure-anything ancestry is either a loony-toon or hasn't gone far enough back in their ancestry.

Or their fundamental world history.

[sneakypete]

National Geographic went round the bend with Anthropogenic Global Warming/Climate Change and has been a serious disappointment since. They are even pushing the whole 'Global Citizen' thing. I guess they (Headquartered in Washington, D.C.--I have been there) missed the first word in their name. "National".

Pretty pictures, but that's about it, and even the use of imagery is questionable at times, used to push an agenda.

Google (yeah, use them, they're proud of this stuff) "Globalists at National Geographic"

@Smokin Joe

To be fair,humanity is the result of globalism. We are all interconnected at a genetic level.

Which has nothing whatsoever to do with global politics. Even though we ARE all people,we are NOT the SAME people.

[skeeter]

Who the hell do the writers at NG think believes this?

Almost every faith on the planet, comprising nearly e very single person alive, believe mankind descends from two people.

NG, like every single other major media, cannot put two words together without rolling in the political slop.

Words cannot adequately describe how utterly sick of it I am. I'm probably not alone.

[sneakypete]

Almost every faith on the planet, comprising nearly e very single person alive, believe mankind descends from two people.

 

@skeeter

Faith is NOT science,and people believe all sorts of damn-fool things.

[skeeter]

@skeeter

Faith is NOT science,and people believe all sorts of damn-fool things.

You can go off on an anti-religion rant if you want, but I was referring to the thesis of the writer of the article about the prevailing beliefs in racial purity.

[Absalom]

Way back then there were all sorts riding around on horseback here and there and so what?
What matters is that this nonsense doesn't.
Tribalism was the world wide norm until the emergence of the Fertile crescent in Mesopotamia
which gave birth to structured agriculture and animal domestication, among other advances.
This led to the development of culture/society having common values and virtues which in turn
led to the emergence of the nation/state.
It was the people of the latter who settled the world and hardly wandering tribesmen!!!!

[musiclady]

Almost every faith on the planet, comprising nearly e very single person alive, believe mankind descends from two people.

NG, like every single other major media, cannot put two words together without rolling in the political slop.

Words cannot adequately describe how utterly sick of it I am. I'm probably not alone.

You are DEFINITELY not alone.

[skeeter]

You are DEFINITELY not alone.

[Smokin Joe]

You can go off on an anti-religion rant if you want, but I was referring to the thesis of the writer of the article about the prevailing beliefs in racial purity.

Faith or not, If you read the Bible, there are references to interbreeding between the fallen angels and humans between the eviction from the Garden and The Flood (part of the reason for The Flood).
Whether you regard Genesis as gospel or mere superstition, with us humans in antiquity virtually every legend has some basis in fact, no matter how the story has become distorted. The ubiquitous nature of the Flood in the early parts of human history is as common as the common ancestors, a theme which transcends cultural boundaries.

In that sense, "racial purity" might mean humans without the taint of other than human genetics.

But, words can mean different things to different people, and meanings become distorted with time and distance.
An example would be the way the meaning of a phrase like "Giving your heart to God." varies between Christians and Aztecs.

[Smokin Joe]

Way back then there were all sorts riding around on horseback here and there and so what?
What matters is that this nonsense doesn't.
Tribalism was the world wide norm until the emergence of the Fertile crescent in Mesopotamia
which gave birth to structured agriculture and animal domestication, among other advances.
This led to the development of culture/society having common values and virtues which in turn
led to the emergence of the nation/state.
It was the people of the latter who settled the world and hardly wandering tribesmen!!!!

After the Toba Eruption, it was indeed the wanderers who filled the spaces.
It is a big planet for the estimated 75,000 humans who survived.
When there was plenty of room and resources there was no need for nation states, no need to stake out turf to ensure resources for your band/group/tribe. In fact, running into another group would be a chance to exchange genetics between bands and gain something for your people (band/extended family unit). No doubt such happened.
Structured agriculture came about for a host of reasons, not the least need for a food supply people could control (because when there are too many wanderers, there is no guarantee that the berry bushes won't be picked clean), and because it was efficient.
With agriculture and animal husbandry comes the ability to support a larger population and have concentrations of people who will ultimately form city/states and eventually nations.
 
But city folks tend to be sedentary, so long as they can. It was (and still is) the wanderers who trade, who find mineral resources, who find the good pasture over the next hill, who pave the way for the establishment of the cities, not the other way around.

[skeeter]

An example would be the way the meaning of a phrase like "Giving your heart to God." varies between Christians and Aztecs.