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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #75 on: September 10, 2019, 07:19:23 PM »
The one thing that nearly sank the Trump campaign in 2016 was the acrimonious split between he and the Cruz camp. You still see some residual evidence of that feud today.

Its likely many Cruz people stayed home election night, but that split has pretty much since evaporated, the party is relatively united. And that spells disaster for those who want Trump out.

With these mickey mouse primary challenges they're (whomever they are) seeking to re-create that division, IMHO.

Precisely.... the functional equivalent of that piece of filth McMuffin in 2016.

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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #76 on: September 10, 2019, 07:30:17 PM »
Mar Sanford:

""It is my personal view that the largest proclamation of one's faith ought to be in how one lives his life."[28]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Sanford

Quote from 2008.  That one sure withstood the test of time.
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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #77 on: September 10, 2019, 07:34:11 PM »
@Maj. Bill Martin :   Thanks for your post.   

My motivation is solely to prevent a Democratic victory,  and save the GOP Senate.  Unfortunately, we come from different initial premises.   I do not think, realistically, that Trump can win re-election, and you do.   Many of his policies I support,  and I certainly want the tide of conservative judges to continue.  But the man is fatally flawed - he cares only but to appeal to his own faction.   And the cumulative weight of criticism - deserved or not - of his crude, impulsive approach to governance is leaving a mark.   He won as a reaction to a worse choice.   The same impulse will motivate the voters this time around too.

You are correct that my desired outcome is for someone with gravitas like Mitch to advise him to not run for reelection. But sometimes it takes a focusing of the mind to listen to wise counsel.    Sanford,  I think, can help focus Trump's mind, by running a positive campaign that nevertheless speaks hard truths about the stakes.   To be successful,  he must use Cruz's fundamental appeal - that  each and every one of us in the GOP is bound by duty to party and country to vote in his or her GOP primary as our conscience dictates. 
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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #78 on: September 10, 2019, 07:46:05 PM »
Precisely.... the functional equivalent of that piece of filth McMuffin in 2016.

They hope Sanford does better than ol’ 4% Bob Kasich.

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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #79 on: September 10, 2019, 07:48:20 PM »
Quote from 2008.  That one sure withstood the test of time.

He was in a loveless, essentially arranged marriage and was blinded by love,  not the sort of lust that made Trump consort with prostitutes. 

I don't defend what he did,  but he was upfront about it and apologized.   And he appears to have taken the lesson of learning from, and not repeating, his sins.

And I as a person raised in the Christian tradition forgive him.   Why do you seek to poke a penitent man in the eye while advocating for a man of worse marital sin?

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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #80 on: September 10, 2019, 07:50:05 PM »
He was in a loveless, essentially arranged marriage and was blinded by love,  not the sort of lust that made Trump consort with prostitutes. 

I don't defend what he did,  but he was upfront about it and apologized.   And he appears to have taken the lesson of learning from, and not repeating, his sins.

And I as a person raised in the Christian tradition forgive him.   Why do you seek to poke a penitent man in the eye while advocating for a man of worse marital sin?

Good grief you guys are a real scream.

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« Reply #81 on: September 10, 2019, 07:51:57 PM »
Good grief you guys are a real scream.

And you defend Trump's morality?   Take some advice - don't debase yourself.
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« Reply #82 on: September 10, 2019, 07:57:52 PM »
And you defend Trump's morality?   Take some advice - don't debase yourself.
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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #83 on: September 10, 2019, 07:59:21 PM »
He was in a loveless, essentially arranged marriage and was blinded by love,  not the sort of lust that made Trump consort with prostitutes. 

I don't defend what he did,  but he was upfront about it and apologized.   And he appears to have taken the lesson of learning from, and not repeating, his sins.

And I as a person raised in the Christian tradition forgive him.   Why do you seek to poke a penitent man in the eye while advocating for a man of worse marital sin?

The infidelity can be excused, but that was not my big problem with what went down.  He ditched his constituency, as Governor, and went off-grid to pursue the Mistress.  That is unforgivable, and not something I want to see happen with a President.
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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #84 on: September 10, 2019, 08:00:46 PM »
And you defend Trump's morality?   Take some advice - don't debase yourself.

Actually... you DID defend what he did.   And then went on to lecture to someone ELSE about morality. 

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I don't defend what he did,  but he was upfront about it and apologized.   And he appears to have taken the lesson of learning from, and not repeating, his sins.

Friggin hilarious!

Apparently some adulterers are more equal than other adulterers.    :whistle:
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« Reply #85 on: September 10, 2019, 08:02:37 PM »
The infidelity can be excused, but that was not my big problem with what went down.  He ditched his constituency, as Governor, and went off-grid to pursue the Mistress.  That is unforgivable, and not something I want to see happen with a President.

And he lied about where he was going.  Yet this guy is supposedly more trustworthy than Trump?  I don't see how.
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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #86 on: September 10, 2019, 08:05:23 PM »
   Looking for pointers to use the next time I cheat on my GF.
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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #87 on: September 10, 2019, 08:07:47 PM »
   Looking for pointers to use the next time I cheat on my GF.

Just tell her you're going hiking in the mountains.  It'll work. But, better if you are married and have little kids. 
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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #88 on: September 11, 2019, 08:54:26 AM »
According to this poll now posted prominently on Drudge,  Trump loses to six Democrat presidential contenders IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.

It is time to come to grips with reality, folks.   We can no longer be willfully blind in the face of looming disaster.   Sanford is the sort of conservative we all used to rally around.  Back before the GOP became the supine party of Trump.   
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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #89 on: September 11, 2019, 09:10:25 AM »
According to this poll now posted prominently on Drudge,  Trump loses to six Democrat presidential contenders IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.

It is time to come to grips with reality, folks.   We can no longer be willfully blind in the face of looming disaster.   Sanford is the sort of conservative we all used to rally around.  Back before the GOP became the supine party of Trump.   

President Hillary approves of your "message".   

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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #90 on: September 11, 2019, 09:36:14 AM »
@Maj. Bill Martin :   Thanks for your post.   

Unfortunately, we come from different initial premises.   I do not think, realistically, that Trump can win re-election, and you do.   

Realistically, I believe that whatever Trump's chances are, they are orders of magnitude greater than this effort by Sanford, whose only likely accomplishment will be to piss off at least 75% of GOP voters, and perhaps lead to massive general election boycotts of GOP candidates that will crush our hopes for Congress if, by some miracle, Sanford actually won the primary.

but again realistically, I see the likelihood of Sanford actually beating Trump in the primary as less than 1%.  So, I view most of those who would support his candidacy as being motivated primarily by a desire to keep Trump from being re-elected, rather than a desire to win in November.

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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #91 on: September 11, 2019, 09:47:31 AM »
President Hillary approves of your "message".   

 :silly: :silly: :silly:

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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #92 on: September 11, 2019, 10:13:11 AM »
We must burn down the village in order to save it.

Yep.
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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #93 on: September 11, 2019, 10:14:59 AM »
Realistically, I believe that whatever Trump's chances are, they are orders of magnitude greater than this effort by Sanford, whose only likely accomplishment will be to piss off at least 75% of GOP voters, and perhaps lead to massive general election boycotts of GOP candidates that will crush our hopes for Congress if, by some miracle, Sanford actually won the primary.

but again realistically, I see the likelihood of Sanford actually beating Trump in the primary as less than 1%.  So, I view most of those who would support his candidacy as being motivated primarily by a desire to keep Trump from being re-elected, rather than a desire to win in November.

@Jazzhead

This  ^   ^ is it exactly.   They would rather lose to the rats (for "some" reason)....

than have Trump win.
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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #94 on: September 11, 2019, 10:28:03 AM »
So, I view most of those who would support his candidacy as being motivated primarily by a desire to keep Trump from being re-elected, rather than a desire to win in November.

You have my motivation bass-ackward.    I want to prevent a Democratic victory,  which I believe is inevitable if Trump is the nominee.  Given that belief (which I think is well founded:  a poll posted on Drudge this morning says that Trump loses to six Democratic challengers IN THE STATE OF TEXAS),  I want to advance the ball on convincing Trump to step down as the nominee, a la LBJ.   I think a credible opposition candidate who can expose Trump's weaknesses within the GOP can be a means to that end.   I want Sanford to play the role of Eugene McCarthy.   

If Trump is the nominee, we lose, and we lose the Senate besides.   It's not about his policies, it is about his issues as a leader.   That is reality as I see it.  I understand that you feel differently.  And because my reality sucks,  I want to change it.   

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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #95 on: September 11, 2019, 10:29:12 AM »
This  ^   ^ is it exactly.   They would rather lose to the rats (for "some" reason)....

than have Trump win.

No.   I am seeking a way out of the Kobayashi Maru.   
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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #96 on: September 11, 2019, 10:35:52 AM »
This  ^   ^ is it exactly.   They would rather lose to the rats (for "some" reason)....

than have Trump win.

Reminds me of when the mainstream media expresses 'concern' for the direction of the Republican party and helpfully suggests a course of action they believe will 'save' them from electoral disaster.

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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #97 on: September 11, 2019, 10:44:14 AM »
No.   I am seeking a way out of the Kobayashi Maru.

Fortunately, Captain Kirk already resides in the White House and has already rewritten the rules for campaigning...and for defeating the unwinnable scenario painted by "push-polls". He beat this scenario in 2016 and is the only Republican with a chance to do so again in 2020. You are right that he may lose, but you are wildly wrong in thinking there is another GOP candidate waiting in the wings who could do better.

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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #98 on: September 11, 2019, 10:45:44 AM »
This  ^   ^ is it exactly.   They would rather lose to the rats (for "some" reason)....

than have Trump win.
Or maybe we just don't see that much of a difference in the direction of our country with either one.
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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #99 on: September 11, 2019, 10:47:17 AM »
Or maybe we just don't see that much of a difference in the direction of our country with either one.

Then you need to get your eyes checked immediately.  That's dangerously blind.
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