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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #25 on: September 09, 2019, 07:37:54 PM »
Do you think Sanford actually has a realistic shot at doing anything other than giving the Democrats raw material for their ad campaign against Trump?

I refuse to be afraid.   I refuse to face another choice like I had last time.  I gave Trump every benefit of the doubt, especially in the knowledge that the GOP controlled Congress. .

Trump refused to grow, refused to become the leader of anyone besides his own faction.   And now we are facing disaster,  with socialists banging on the door and my own party seemingly consisting of sycophants.

I realize this is a long shot.   But unless there is some opposition to this man,  we are doomed.  Sanford isn't perfect,  but he's conservative and maybe he can inspire some soul searching and some GUTS.
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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #26 on: September 09, 2019, 07:41:26 PM »
I refuse to be afraid.   I refuse to face another choice like I had last time.  I gave Trump every benefit of the doubt, especially in the knowledge that the GOP controlled Congress. .

Trump refused to grow, refused to become the leader of anyone besides his own faction.   And now we are facing disaster,  with socialists banging on the door and my own party seemingly consisting of sycophants.

I realize this is a long shot.   But unless there is some opposition to this man,  we are doomed.  Sanford isn't perfect,  but he's conservative and maybe he can inspire some soul searching and some GUTS.

The fly in your so called "refusal"  is you refuse to see the folly in your logic. 

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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2019, 08:08:25 PM »
Sanford stepped on his Johnson and ruined it for any Pubbie in that election.  Hardly something "Trumpkins" can be blamed for...but go on ahead.  There will be applause.

Isn't the problem his criticism of Trump, rather than anything else?  He won the 2016 election by 22 points.  In fact, he had never lost an election.  Today's GOP stands for nothing other than Trump promotion.  It's evident in all of the junk mail I receive.

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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #28 on: September 09, 2019, 09:29:07 PM »
I refuse to be afraid.   I refuse to face another choice like I had last time.  I gave Trump every benefit of the doubt, especially in the knowledge that the GOP controlled Congress. .

Trump refused to grow, refused to become the leader of anyone besides his own faction.   And now we are facing disaster,  with socialists banging on the door and my own party seemingly consisting of sycophants.

I realize this is a long shot.   But unless there is some opposition to this man,  we are doomed.  Sanford isn't perfect,  but he's conservative and maybe he can inspire some soul searching and some GUTS.

Jazz, I generally think highly of your reasoning and perception...but you are stuck functioning in some sort of "wishful" thinking paradigm. You want to oppose the Dems but you want a "nice guy" to lead the fight...but we've tried that...and got crushed (see Bush 1 and 2 in office and Romney getting crushed by Obama).

Opposing Trump isn't the enemy of victory for the GOP in 2020, on the contrary, supporting him is the only realistic hope and the only real force standing between this country and Dem Socialist hegemony. Neither is it some brave overcoming of your fears to oppose him by supporting a putz like Sanford...rather...you're giving in to a fear created by a media that is LIVID that Trump not only stands up to them, he actually has the audacity to punch back against their intended narratives.

What "dooms" the right isn't President Trump, its disunity and buying into a garbage media narrative that  declares Trump only "plays to his own faction" or that Republicans are "sycophants"....where was that narrative when Obama played hard and ONLY to his radical Left while media Dems opined about having a "thrill" up their leg? Sycophantism and playing to the fringe is what the Dems do...its absolutely not what conservatives, Republicans and Trump supporters have been doing.

The truth is that Trump has governed directly from the center-right, much to the chagrin of some conservatives right here on this board. He's made improved trade deals, turned the economy around and launched it into the stratosphere, and restored America's image from punching bag to power player. He stumbles sometimes, can be erratic in negotiations...thought I think much of that is just tactics...and makes boorish comments about those who make boorish comments about him. Its messy...fighting back often is...and what he does IS FIGHT BACK. You seem to want to bring back the wilting flowers and faux compassionate weenies of the Bush/Romney/McCain wing....which WOULD be disastrous for Republicans in the 2020 election and even more disastrous for the nation.

You need to return that purchase you made from the media...the one in which you've "bought" THEIR framing of both Trump and his supporters on the right and in the center.
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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #29 on: September 09, 2019, 09:43:36 PM »



    WHOA there Mark, I don't think you've thought this out
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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #30 on: September 10, 2019, 08:49:31 AM »
. . .  supporting a putz like Sanford

You won't change my mind with cheap shots like that.   I've followed Sanford's career for years;  his movement conservative credentials are solid.   This is not a gadfly like Weld. 

But I am convinced that conservatives and others who see things as I do -  that Trump is a distraction that is greasing the skids for a socialist takeover - need a vehicle to express that view within the context of the Republican party.   A GOP that rolls over to the king's madness is not a party that can survive the reckoning that's coming.     
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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #31 on: September 10, 2019, 08:52:27 AM »
 Trump supporters once told me they didnt need my vote to win.  This was back in 2016.  Have things changed so much that they are worried about some competition?

I don't particularly care for Sanford and won't vote for him.  But I believe that if he or anyone else wants to challenge Trump for the nomination, they should be allowed to do so. 

I expect Trump will get the Republican nomination anyway.  What he should be concerned about is the general election in November, 2020.


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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #32 on: September 10, 2019, 09:06:52 AM »
Trump supporters once told me they didnt need my vote to win.  This was back in 2016.  Have things changed so much that they are worried about some competition?

I don't particularly care for Sanford and won't vote for him.  But I believe that if he or anyone else wants to challenge Trump for the nomination, they should be allowed to do so. 

I expect Trump will get the Republican nomination anyway.  What he should be concerned about is the general election in November, 2020.

One thing I didn't expect was that Trump would lie as much as Obama.  Trump's a POS, and sadly we are stuck with him.
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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #33 on: September 10, 2019, 09:10:07 AM »
Who knew the path to the Presidency runs down a path on the Appalachian trail with a naked lady?


It was a flaming flamingo dancer, on the Tallahassee Trail.


Trump mocks Sanford’s affair with ‘Flaming Dancer’ in Argentina

https://nypost.com/2019/09/09/trump-mocks-sanfords-affair-with-flaming-dancer-in-argentina/amp/
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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #34 on: September 10, 2019, 09:24:54 AM »
One thing I didn't expect was that Trump would lie as much as Obama.  Trump's a POS, and sadly we are stuck with him.

Trump and Obama are alike in some ways.  Lying is just one of them.  What gets me is how some who condemned Obama for lying about, say, Obamacare,  are ok with Trump's lies because "all politicians lie."  By the way, these same people told me Trump wasn't a politician.  LOL

Maybe he will win a second term, but I am not "stuck with him" when it comes time to vote.  Ted Cruz once advised voters to vote their conscience.  My conscience will not allow me to vote for Trump.

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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #35 on: September 10, 2019, 10:34:01 AM »
Trump and Obama are alike in some ways.  Lying is just one of them.  What gets me is how some who condemned Obama for lying about, say, Obamacare,  are ok with Trump's lies because "all politicians lie."  By the way, these same people told me Trump wasn't a politician.  LOL

Maybe he will win a second term, but I am not "stuck with him" when it comes time to vote.  Ted Cruz once advised voters to vote their conscience.  My conscience will not allow me to vote for Trump.

So be specific, what lies are you referring to? To be clear, simply being wrong or unable to accomplish a campaign goal is not a lie. I honestly have no idea what "lies" you are talking about.

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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #36 on: September 10, 2019, 10:38:11 AM »
Trump and Obama are alike in some ways.  Lying is just one of them.  What gets me is how some who condemned Obama for lying about, say, Obamacare,  are ok with Trump's lies because "all politicians lie."  By the way, these same people told me Trump wasn't a politician.  LOL

Maybe he will win a second term, but I am not "stuck with him" when it comes time to vote.  Ted Cruz once advised voters to vote their conscience.  My conscience will not allow me to vote for Trump.

But your conscience is OK with letting a true Socialist like Elizabeth Warren...and all her attending loony Left entourage from AOC to Hillary to Ilhan Omar...take over the nation. If your action or inaction facilitates that outcome...yikes...as the Beatles said "you're gonna carry the weight a long time".

Just gonna say, the compass on your morality pole seems to be a bit broken.

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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #37 on: September 10, 2019, 10:38:42 AM »
So be specific, what lies are you referring to? To be clear, simply being wrong or unable to accomplish a campaign goal is not a lie. I honestly have no idea what "lies" you are talking about.

Same here. I’ve yet to hear anything specific from the perpetual critics, nor can I recall a “lie” said by the president. None.

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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #38 on: September 10, 2019, 10:41:34 AM »
Same here. I’ve yet to hear anything specific from the perpetual critics, nor can I recall a “lie” said by the president. None.

They generally come up with some baloney like "he promised a wall and we don't have one"...something he's fought tooth and nail for from day one...and pretend that that is a lie. If someone is dumb enough to claim that every campaign goal not achieved is a lie...no matter how hard the President has fought to achieve them in the face of reticent RINO's and obstructive Dems...well...that generally makes them a mindless NeverTrumper.

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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #39 on: September 10, 2019, 10:58:17 AM »

It was a flaming flamingo dancer, on the Tallahassee Trail.


Trump mocks Sanford’s affair with ‘Flaming Dancer’ in Argentina

https://nypost.com/2019/09/09/trump-mocks-sanfords-affair-with-flaming-dancer-in-argentina/amp/

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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #40 on: September 10, 2019, 11:29:19 AM »
But your conscience is OK with letting a true Socialist like Elizabeth Warren...and all her attending loony Left entourage from AOC to Hillary to Ilhan Omar...take over the nation. If your action or inaction facilitates that outcome...yikes...as the Beatles said "you're gonna carry the weight a long time".

Just gonna say, the compass on your morality pole seems to be a bit broken.

I've been waiting for the emergence of illogical points like yours. For me, the perfect response comes from my favorite novel, Atlas Shrugged:

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How is my vote not going to Trump (not a given yet BTW) letting a true Socialist like Elizabeth Warren "take over the nation"? Even if I vote for Trump, the possibility exists that Trump will lose next year, primarily because he has acted like a complete jerk in office, and failed to follow through on his campaign promises.

He has shown little aptitude or desire for broadening his base of support, and has taken no responsibility for many of the unforced errors he's committed along the way.

A part of me longs for revolution coming sooner, rather than later. My children (and grandson), nieces and nephews are hearing me talk about the Constitution and our Founding Fathers. I lay it out for them, and tell them they're the ones that are going to have to engage in the battles to come with their peers.

I borrow a line from Francisco d'Anconia when he first encountered Hank Rearden: (paraphrased)

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I used the same line for many years, while teaching Old Testament to 6th graders in my parish. I hesitate to use the word "ammunition", I prefer to call it enhancing their ability to respond to those who would seek to denigrate their faith.
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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #41 on: September 10, 2019, 11:31:46 AM »
But your conscience is OK with letting a true Socialist like Elizabeth Warren...and all her attending loony Left entourage from AOC to Hillary to Ilhan Omar...take over the nation. If your action or inaction facilitates that outcome...yikes...as the Beatles said "you're gonna carry the weight a long time".

Just gonna say, the compass on your morality pole seems to be a bit broken.

"Morality pole" used in the same thought with Donald Trump...that's funny!

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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #42 on: September 10, 2019, 12:46:22 PM »
How is my vote not going to Trump (not a given yet BTW) letting a true Socialist like Elizabeth Warren "take over the nation"? Even if I vote for Trump, the possibility exists that Trump will lose next year...

Because every vote in his favor decreases the odds...however infinitesmally...of an Elizabeth Warren/Socialist takeover. A takeover, I might add, that is likely irreversible given the tyrannical bent of Socialism and its media backers. And please don't quote Ayn Rand while you argue and act to support the rise of socialism...President Trump is the nearest thing to John Galt that we've had in the White House since Reagan (his core imperative is that of letting loose capitalism from its regulatory restraints). I've read Atlas shrugged many times and your misuse of that great work is horrific.

We are in a binary struggle between the forces of Socialism and group-think led by the Warren crowd...and the forces of Capitalism and free thought led by President Trump (And yes, he's not the perfect standard bearer we all deserve...but he IS the ONLY standard bearer we have...no one else on the right has the moxy, the audacity, the speech making talent, and the street fighting will to fight this fight and win.

You are arguing that the moral thing to do is to play Switzerland at a time when the world's future will be decided by those who fight...not by those who's moral narcissism leads them to sit on the sidelines and support Karl Schenk whilst the world around them burns. Every day you sit on the sideline supporting some butthurt fool like Sanford or other GOP peon with zero chance of fighting back the Socialist tide...you are complicit in the rise of that tide.
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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #43 on: September 10, 2019, 12:51:46 PM »

I realize this is a long shot.   But unless there is some opposition to this man,  we are doomed.  Sanford isn't perfect,  but he's conservative and maybe he can inspire some soul searching and some GUTS.

@Jazzhead

I had thought your priority was winning the White House.  Do you honestly believe that Sanford has a better chance of winning the Presidency than does Trump?  Or have you now shifted to the point where Trump himself is unacceptable, so you'd rather have a worse chance of winning but with a "better" Republican?

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« Reply #44 on: September 10, 2019, 12:55:49 PM »
How is my vote not going to Trump (not a given yet BTW) letting a true Socialist like Elizabeth Warren "take over the nation"? Even if I vote for Trump, the possibility exists that Trump will lose next year...

Because every vote in his favor decreases the odds...however infinitesmally...of an Elizabeth Warren/Socialist takeover. A takeover, I might add, that is likely irreversible given the tyrannical bent of Socialism and its media backers. And please don't quote Ayn Rand while you argue and act to support the rise of socialism...President Trump is the nearest thing to John Galt that we've had in the White House since Reagan (his core imperative is that of letting loose capitalism from its regulatory restraints). I've read Atlas shrugged many times and your misuse of that great work is horrific.

We are in a binary struggle between the forces of Socialism and group-think led by the Warren crowd...and the forces of Capitalism and free thought led by President Trump (And yes, he's not the perfect standard bearer we all deserve...but he IS the ONLY standard bearer we have...no one else on the right has the moxy, the audacity, the speech making talent, and the street fighting will to fight this fight and win.

You are arguing that the moral thing to do is to play Switzerland at a time when the world's future will be decided by those who fight...not by those who's moral narcissism leads them to sit on the sidelines and support Karl Schenk whilst the world around them burns. Every day you sit on the sideline supporting some butthurt fool like Sanford or other GOP peon with zero chance of fighting back the Socialist tide...you are complicit in the rise of that tide.

@Mesaclone

Honestly, as many good things as there are about Atlas Shrugged, I've often though it sends an absolutely terrible political message.  It supports the myth that the best path to victory is basically just withdrawing so the bad guys "win", letting them enact destructive policies and destroy the country, and then rebuilding from the wreckage.  That's what Galt and the rest of them advocated.  It gives moral sanction, even moral plaudits, to those who advocate losing elections because your candidate is insufficiently pure.

You're making the Hank Rearden argument, though given our situation, and our context, I'd agree that's the right approach.
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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #45 on: September 10, 2019, 12:55:53 PM »
Do you sit in the front row to watch a Comedian and correct his jokes, too?


He’s made way too many other malapropisms to think this was a joke. Besides, the president is not supposed to be a vaudeville act.
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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #46 on: September 10, 2019, 01:00:03 PM »
One thing I didn't expect was that Trump would lie as much as Obama.  Trump's a POS, and sadly we are stuck with him.

Oh FFS.   How anyone could compare Marxist Obama's deliberate lies, which essentially equated to helping to destroy the nation by openly siding with Muslim terrorist nations and entities..... to anything Trump has said (or promised but couldn't deliver) is beyond me.   With all due respect, catfish.... I just don't get the correlation.  Your discernment is quite skewed, IMO.  JS....

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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #47 on: September 10, 2019, 01:04:38 PM »

He’s made way too many other malapropisms to think this was a joke. Besides, the president is not supposed to be a vaudeville act.

The opposition party... ie the radical leftist DemocRats... aren't supposed to be various and sundry variations of moronic clowns either.   Guess which came first.   And funny how that what you call "vaudeville act" has such high approval ratings amongst 'most' legal American citizens.  Perhaps they don't have the same opinion as you do about the job Trump is doing.  Much to your chagrin, no doubt.
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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #48 on: September 10, 2019, 01:15:44 PM »

He’s made way too many other malapropisms to think this was a joke. Besides, the president is not supposed to be a vaudeville act.

What I posted, that your reply was to, was closer to a vaudeville act than to a serious comment.   :tongue2:
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Re: Sanford announces challenge to Trump
« Reply #49 on: September 10, 2019, 01:17:36 PM »
@Jazzhead

I had thought your priority was winning the White House.  Do you honestly believe that Sanford has a better chance of winning the Presidency than does Trump?  Or have you now shifted to the point where Trump himself is unacceptable, so you'd rather have a worse chance of winning but with a "better" Republican?

Our friend does that to set himself up as being morally above the fray.  It's more about preening than it is about policy.
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