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If they are born into this country as citizens, they have every opportunity any of us had when we were born.

Only the truly gutless or ignorant believe otherwise.

I believe you and Sanger share a common belief.

And, remember, those who are "poor" in this country would be rich in most of the world. 

That's a BS argument.
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For the pro-life crowd...what then of the children once they're born?

What happens if the parents are poor, unable to maintain a livelihood and living off the government?

Should we bolster our SNAP and Low-income programs to assure them a better life?

Should we increase investments in education and after-care so that, hopefully, the children don't repeat the same mistakes as their parents?

Your post made Margaret Sanger smile.
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I want you all to know if need be I will dig in my couch cushions for bus fare, too. So you can go see @roamer_1.

Cause there ain't nothing to see here. There ain't nothing to do. No, you can't see the Grand Tetons from my house. You have to drive 10 miles north. Don't know nothing about marriage, sexual relationships, kids, grandkids because I have only been married once for 33 years and only had sex with that one person. Only had two kids and coming on four grandkids.

Don't know nothing about survival, hunting, fishing, especially fishing. Or building anything.



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That's right - More than consistent. Interlocked. Critical path with guardrails and backstops.

As an aside, and as one who comes from the position of textual criticism, That Book simply amazes me in its construction. For nigh on thirty years I have been reading it over and over, and every time, there's another layer to peel back... You find something that seems out of place, and it makes you dig deeper... to yet another discovery, and another reference, and another layer... Over and over, every which way... It is simply an astonishment. I have never seen anything to compare.
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And that construction - the framework, the hyperlinks (since ancient days), the coding, the Hebrew puns, heck, even the names and placenames... More that anything else, that construction and composition convinced me that no mere man inspired it.

A marvelous work. A miracle.

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I want you all to know if need be I will dig in my couch cushions for bus fare, too. So you can go see @roamer_1.

Cause there ain't nothing to see here. There ain't nothing to do. No, you can't see the Grand Tetons from my house. You have to drive 10 miles north. Don't know nothing about marriage, sexual relationships, kids, grandkids because I have only been married once for 33 years and only had sex with that one person. Only had two kids and coming on four grandkids.

Don't know nothing about survival, hunting, fishing, especially fishing. Or building anything.



Well, @bigheadfred All I can say is you should try harder next time.  :beer:

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Buttigieg is right.  Abortion is a moral question upon which reasonable, moral minds will differ.   The question is who has the right to make that decision.

And the answer should be:  every woman must have the right to decide for herself, on the basis of her own conscience informed by her experience,  her faith and those who love and support her.

It is not a decision to be compelled by government.
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Would I believe that life begins at conception? No.
At that point there is a developing human with unique DNA. It may not be recognizable yet, but then, it's appearance will change throughout its life, should it live an ordinary lifespan. But it is unique, and inarguably human.

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For the pro-life crowd...what then of the children once they're born?

What happens if the parents are poor, unable to maintain a livelihood and living off the government?

Should we bolster our SNAP and Low-income programs to assure them a better life?

Should we increase investments in education and after-care so that, hopefully, the children don't repeat the same mistakes as their parents?

No, @Dexter, we should not.  If we did, they'd "grow up" thinking that govt was the answer to all problems, and honestly, we've got too f'king many lawyers as it is.
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I'm just going to ignore your nonsense today. Really.  888mouth

Got it.   Can't have any of that "individual liberty" nonsense.   The government knows best.
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Got it.   Can't have any of that "individual liberty" nonsense.   The government knows best.

Right. No need to be responsible, either.
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Right. No need to be responsible, either.

That's a non-sequitur.  Are you saying that government's role is to enforce sexual ethics?   I'm not suggesting the pro-lifers and persons of faith stop advocating their positions and their moral basis,  and providing support for women to do the right thing.   I'm suggesting only that this is not the role of government.   
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That's a non-sequitur.  Are you saying that government's role is to enforce sexual ethics?   I'm not suggesting the pro-lifers and persons of faith stop advocating their positions and their moral basis,  and providing support for women to do the right thing.   I'm suggesting only that this is not the role of government.

I know it can be seen as such. I want the government out of a large portion of the people's business. Since we all know that isn't going to happen, I can only hope that eventually, we will learn how to become a civilized society.
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That's a non-sequitur.  Are you saying that government's role is to enforce sexual ethics?   I'm not suggesting the pro-lifers and persons of faith stop advocating their positions and their moral basis,  and providing support for women to do the right thing.   I'm suggesting only that this is not the role of government.

So.... you're admitting that a woman choosing to have an abortion (vs. using birth control) is not the right thing?  If so, then we're making progress.  (but I doubt it)
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Got it.   Can't have any of that "individual liberty" nonsense.   The government knows best.

Considering how much government interference you want in other aspects of our lives...you step on a rake every time you try to champion "individual liberty".  You should just take a seat on ever mentioning that as something you support.
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Right. No need to be responsible, either.

According to some of Jazz's previous scoldings of us..it's never the woman's fault.  She's not responsible for keeping her legs closed.
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Considering how much government interference you want in other aspects of our lives...you step on a rake every time you try to champion "individual liberty".  You should just take a seat on ever mentioning that as something you support.

Should, but won't. 
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According to some of Jazz's previous scoldings of us..it's never the woman's fault.  She's not responsible for keeping her legs closed.

Well, to be fair, some ARE naturally bow-legged...  :whistle:

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That's a non-sequitur.  Are you saying that government's role is to enforce sexual ethics?

The role of government (by the people and for the people) is to do what the people want within the confines of the Constitution.  And the people of Georgia want abortion regulated in Georgia once a heartbeat is detected.


I'm not suggesting the pro-lifers and persons of faith stop advocating their positions and their moral basis,  and providing support for women to do the right thing.   I'm suggesting only that this is not the role of government.

The role of government that you support is one where the federal judiciary reaches beyond the confines of the Constitution and exacts its version of tyranny against the people of Georgia, Alabama, etc.  It is YOU that demands the power of the state to prohibit the people from enjoying the Constitutional liberties delegated within.  So keep that in mind the next time you use the word 'liberty', because it is YOU that demands my liberty - my right as a Georgia citizen to shape the society in which live through the action of my representative legislature as enumerated in the Bill of rights - to be denied.

Let's be clear who the tyrant here is.  I am willing to live by what my fellow society members choose in regard to the laws my State enacts.  And you clearly are not.  Even further, you don't even live in this State, yet you are willing to use the power of the state (i.e. the federal judiciary) to impose your will on other States.  Tyranny.
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The role of government (by the people and for the people) is to do what the people want within the confines of the Constitution.  And the people of Georgia want abortion regulated in Georgia once a heartbeat is detected.


The role of government that you support is one where the federal judiciary reaches beyond the confines of the Constitution and exacts its version of tyranny against the people of Georgia, Alabama, etc.  It is YOU that demands the power of the state to prohibit the people from enjoying the Constitutional liberties delegated within.  So keep that in mind the next time you use the word 'liberty', because it is YOU that demands my liberty - my right as a Georgia citizen to shape the society in which live through the action of my representative legislature as enumerated in the Bill of rights - to be denied.

Let's be clear who the tyrant here is.  I am willing to live by what my fellow society members choose in regard to the laws my State enacts.  And you clearly are not.  Even further, you don't even live in this State, yet you are willing to use the power of the state (i.e. the federal judiciary) to impose your will on other States.  Tyranny.
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The role of government (by the people and for the people) is to do what the people want within the confines of the Constitution.  And the people of Georgia want abortion regulated in Georgia once a heartbeat is detected.


The role of government that you support is one where the federal judiciary reaches beyond the confines of the Constitution and exacts its version of tyranny against the people of Georgia, Alabama, etc.  It is YOU that demands the power of the state to prohibit the people from enjoying the Constitutional liberties delegated within.  So keep that in mind the next time you use the word 'liberty', because it is YOU that demands my liberty - my right as a Georgia citizen to shape the society in which live through the action of my representative legislature as enumerated in the Bill of rights - to be denied.

Let's be clear who the tyrant here is.  I am willing to live by what my fellow society members choose in regard to the laws my State enacts.  And you clearly are not.  Even further, you don't even live in this State, yet you are willing to use the power of the state (i.e. the federal judiciary) to impose your will on other States.  Tyranny.

This claptrap argument again?   *****rollingeyes*****

The Constitution (via Roe and via Heller) secures both a woman's right to choose when to reproduce and your right to own a gun for self-protection.   Each of these INDIVIDUAL rights is secured against the would-be tyrants in your state's legislature that would take it away.

You advocate the tyranny of the majority when it's not an individual right important to you being denied.  But I guarantee you won't be arguing for the right of the legislature in your state to require you register and insure your gun.   You spout the hypocritical position of "rights for me but not for thee".   
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The Constitution (via Roe and via Heller) secures both a woman's right to choose when to reproduce and your right to own a gun for self-protection.   Each of these INDIVIDUAL rights is secured against the would-be tyrants in your state's legislature that would take it away.

Where in the Constitution is the right to abortion stated? I know where the right to keep and bear amrs is...it's the Second AMendment.  But there's not an amendment guaranteeing the right to abortion on demand.

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You advocate the tyranny of the majority when it's not an individual right important to you being denied.  But I guarantee you won't be arguing for the right of the legislature in your state to require you register and insure your gun.   You spout the hypocritical position of "rights for me but not for thee".

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https://babylonbee.com/news/buttigeig-life-begins-when-you-register-as-a-democrat

Buttigieg: 'Life Begins When A Person Registers As A Democrat'

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U.S.—Mayor Pete Buttigieg has come under fire after claiming that life only begins when you register as a Democrat.

"Many conservative 'Christians' have bought into this lie that life begins at conception," Buttigieg said during a radio interview. "This flies in the face of basic biology, which teaches us that life begins when you register as a Democrat."
If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"? Is reality a Big Pharma Shill?

Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.

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The role of government that you support is one where the federal judiciary reaches beyond the confines of the Constitution and exacts its version of tyranny against the people of Georgia, Alabama, etc.  It is YOU that demands the power of the state to prohibit the people from enjoying the Constitutional liberties delegated within.  So keep that in mind the next time you use the word 'liberty', because it is YOU that demands my liberty - my right as a Georgia citizen to shape the society in which live through the action of my representative legislature as enumerated in the Bill of rights - to be denied.

Let's be clear who the tyrant here is.  I am willing to live by what my fellow society members choose in regard to the laws my State enacts.  And you clearly are not.  Even further, you don't even live in this State, yet you are willing to use the power of the state (i.e. the federal judiciary) to impose your will on other States.  Tyranny.

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This claptrap argument again?   *****rollingeyes*****

The Constitution (via Roe and via Heller)

Speaking of clap traps.  The Constitution speaks for itself.  To find out what the Constitution says, all you have to do is to read the Constitution.  Here it is again:

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Amendment X:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

And if you bothered to actually read Roe or Heller, you would find ZERO reference to the Tenth Amendment and the powers delegated therein.  So your decision to reference Roe and Heller as authorities on the Constitution were extremely poor choices.  But then you knew that already.  Besides, the Constitution itself is the last thing you would ever use in subjecting your version of tyranny on the good people of Georgia.


secures both a woman's right to choose when to reproduce

No one is denying a woman's right to reproduce.  But then you knew that already.


and your right to own a gun for self-protection.

It is the Constitution - not Heller - that secures my right to own a gun, for any reason I so choose.  It was included in the Bill of Rights as a protection against the tyranny of government, the exact type of tyranny that you advocate.


Each of these INDIVIDUAL rights is secured against the would-be tyrants in your state's legislature that would take it away.

My legislature is not composed of tyrants.  They legislate per the will of the people they represent.  And any time they go against the will of the people, they can be voted out of office and replaced with new legislators to do the people's bidding.  It's how a representative government works.  Yet your idea of government is a tyrannical federal judiciary that usurps our right to representative legislation with absolutely no Constitutional basis to do so.


You advocate the tyranny of the majority when it's not an individual right important to you being denied.

As a member of this society, the valuation of life is extremely important to me.  Because without it, our society falls apart.  The most heinous acts of anti-social violence become more common as society is forced (at the point of the federal gun) to tolerate the massacre of those most innocent and helpless.  The devaluation of human life spills over into every aspect of society.  And because of tyrants such as yourself, I am powerless as a member of said society to do a thing about it.

If you want to do things differently in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania by exercising your common right under the Constitution, then you will never find me standing in the way.  I only ask that you extend the same courtesy to me and allow my fellow Georgia citizens to exercise our Constitutional right to self-government. 


But I guarantee you won't be arguing for the right of the legislature in your state to require you register and insure your gun.

Good.  As a rule, you should have zero voice as to what our Legislature does.  We can handle it ourselves.  Yet that is not at all what you advocate.


You spout the hypocritical position of "rights for me but not for thee".   

Let's review again, shall we?  In the absence of federal law, I wholeheartedly advocate the right of the people to mold and shape their societies through their state legislatures unader Amendment X of the Constitution of the United States of America.  That goes for you in your State, a Texan in Texas, a New Jersean in New Jersey, and a Ohioan in Ohio.  There is zero hypocrisy in that.  None.  Zip.  Nada.
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It is the Constitution - not Heller - that secures my right to own a gun, for any reason I so choose.  It was included in the Bill of Rights as a protection against the tyranny of government, the exact type of tyranny that you advocate.

I love ya man, I really do - But no. It is God that gives you the R2KBA. The Constitution merely protects that right. A very important distinction.

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As a member of this society, the valuation of life is extremely important to me.  Because without it, our society falls apart.  The most heinous acts of anti-social violence become more common as society is forced (at the point of the federal gun) to tolerate the massacre of those most innocent and helpless.  The devaluation of human life spills over into every aspect of society.

As history attests. The misery of our current condition is profound. high divorce, high single parent households, high rates of bastard children... High crime, high drugs, low esteem, low respect for women, low respect for family, latchkey kids, state indoctrination, social indoctrination... It literally cannot get much worse, and makes the heady days before social experimentation seem absolutely idyllic.

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Let's review again, shall we?  In the absence of federal law, I wholeheartedly advocate the right of the people to mold and shape their societies through their state legislatures unader Amendment X of the Constitution of the United States of America.  That goes for you in your State, a Texan in Texas, a New Jersean in New Jersey, and a Ohioan in Ohio.  There is zero hypocrisy in that.  None.  Zip.  Nada.

Federalism at its finest.
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