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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #50 on: September 08, 2019, 08:07:41 PM »
@Cyber Liberty

Thanks for explaining how it is in your state.  You do have a primary for the other offices, however, I still think those Republicans running against the president should be in the primary.

That's a different question, the correct one.  Thanks for re-centering the discussion!  As a taxpayer, I'm not happy to waste County money to run a pointless election.  It's up to the State Chair, Kelli Ward.  She decided this, after talking to the Chairs in all the Counties.

Not one Primary in the country, where Party Nominees for all other offices are decided, is being canceled.  There is a lot of FUD on this thread.
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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #51 on: September 08, 2019, 08:09:04 PM »
Seriously? Hitlereze? Tyranny?

If you had ANY grasp of history whatsoever you could never utter such absurdity. This is a primary, not a general election. In primaries, parties internally select their candidates...followed by free and fair general elections. There IS no constitutional requirement to have a primary...parties do so only to discern which of their candidates have the most internal support. When that internal support is already overwhelming, a primary becomes pointless.

What about that is "Hitlereze" to you? Trump has deep and wide support among Republicans...in fact, at an almost unprecedented level. He HAS no serious challenger, so it would be intense stupidity for the GOP to hold a primary...which costs a great deal of money and only assists the Democrats in defeating the GOP candidate in the general.

You don't like Trump...we get it. But conservatives and Republicans...in huge numbers...DO support him. So many that running a primary is truly pointless...a waste of money and resources needed in the "real" election. 

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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #52 on: September 08, 2019, 08:10:51 PM »
Excellent post @Mesaclone   Excellent.   :patriot:

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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #53 on: September 08, 2019, 08:31:55 PM »
I'm not overconfident @XenaLee  ... and this is exactly why I know we do not have time to fritter away on a small group of intransigents who will not vote for the President.  What I have learned by now is to those few "never" means "never".

I'd rather we turn our attention to the "maybes".  They are worth our time and attention.

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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #54 on: September 08, 2019, 08:33:56 PM »
That's a different question, the correct one.  Thanks for re-centering the discussion!  As a taxpayer, I'm not happy to waste County money to run a pointless election.  It's up to the State Chair, Kelli Ward.  She decided this, after talking to the Chairs in all the Counties.

Not one Primary in the country, where Party Nominees for all other offices are decided, is being canceled.  There is a lot of FUD on this thread.

It appears that none of the hair on fire crowd here is interested in reading the rules I posted above and learning how this actually works.   Not surprised.

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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #55 on: September 08, 2019, 09:03:23 PM »
It appears that none of the hair on fire crowd here is interested in reading the rules I posted above and learning how this actually works.   Not surprised.

There's real money involved.  All the Counties would have had to pay for these Elections, and it just isn't worth the spit so Mark Sanford can say he got votes on his way to obscurity.  I don't want to waste the squeeze, we have budgets.
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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #56 on: September 08, 2019, 11:41:53 PM »
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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #57 on: September 09, 2019, 12:53:22 AM »

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Can you believe it? I’m at 94% approval in the Republican Party

 I researched that this morning Mr. POTUS, and just which poll are you at 94% GOP approval?  I sure couldn't find one.  But you are always truthful with us aren't you?  (/s)

Gallup- 88%   https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx
WaPo- 85%  https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx
Gallup -87% https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2019/jun/06/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-republican-voters-him-more-they-  (June composites)
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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #58 on: September 09, 2019, 09:03:46 AM »
I've missed Mesaclone. too!  I hope we see more of him(?).

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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #59 on: September 09, 2019, 10:05:32 AM »
GOP Coup is near completion.

That certainly doesn't meet any definition of a coup or which I am aware.  Which one are you using?

This is all about one thing -- state parties trying to avoid wasting time and money better spent helping the guaranteed nominee win in the general election.  That's what they're supposed to do, and a bunch of them did the exact same thing in 2004 for the exact same reason.
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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #60 on: September 09, 2019, 10:08:16 AM »
@Mesaclone

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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #61 on: September 09, 2019, 10:12:08 AM »
Primaries are not just for president.

That's true.  And that's probably why not a single state has cancelled primaries for down ticket candidates, nor will they.  But if that happens...then sure, it would be wrong.

But it won't.

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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #62 on: September 09, 2019, 10:26:40 AM »
It looks like many good conservatives have caught that current disease:  outrageous maximus infinitus.  It's very hard not to catch it and requires quite a bit of rigor in our mental health regimen to stay uninfected.  Things like read the whole article, think about it and discuss it with others before forming a solid opinion, do research, take massive doses of truth as needed, and get some time away from the bubbling cauldron of infected thought patterns and media contamination.  Oh, and probably the most important factor in avoiding infection - retain some humility.
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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #63 on: September 09, 2019, 10:31:20 AM »
It looks like many good conservatives have caught that current disease:  outrageous maximus infinitus.  It's very hard not to catch it and requires quite a bit of rigor in our mental health regimen to stay uninfected.  Things like read the whole article, think about it and discuss it with others before forming a solid opinion, do research, take massive doses of truth as needed, and get some time away from the bubbling cauldron of infected thought patterns and media contamination.  Oh, and probably the most important factor in avoiding infection - retain some humility.

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Hahaha!  Surely you jest!!

Can't you see that it is far more fun to just exclaim: "Damn, that Trump is a dictator!!"

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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #64 on: September 09, 2019, 10:52:56 AM »
That certainly doesn't meet any definition of a coup or which I am aware.  Which one are you using?



Cosolidation of power to prevent opposition?  Try a dictionary.
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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #65 on: September 09, 2019, 11:56:15 AM »
Cosolidation of power to prevent opposition?  Try a dictionary.

Which dictionary is that? 

Oxford says this:  "a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government."

Mirriam-Webster says:   "a sudden decisive exercise of force in politics
especially : the violent overthrow or alteration of an existing government by a small group


Dictionary.com says: "a sudden and decisive action in politics, especially one resulting in a change of government illegally or by force."

There obviously is nothing violent or illegal about this, it isn't a "change in government," nor is it even "decisive" given that it doesn't change the result of the primary even if it was held.  Trump is going to be the nominee.  And given that 1) open primaries/caucuses were not even the way nominees were selected for much of our history, and 2) the actual general election that decides the Presidency is unaffected, claiming this is "coup" is just ridiculous.  You think the party should support purely symbolic opposition to the inevitable nominee of the party, and the party -- through it's elected committees -- disagrees.

I'm suspecting you didn't consider it a "coup" when either Bush or Obama did the exact same thing -- it's only a "coup" now because the supporters of someone you don't like did the same thing that has been done when prior incumbents are the presumptive nominee.
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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #66 on: September 09, 2019, 03:34:33 PM »
Which dictionary is that? 

Oxford says this:  "a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government."

Mirriam-Webster says:   "a sudden decisive exercise of force in politics
especially : the violent overthrow or alteration of an existing government by a small group


Dictionary.com says: "a sudden and decisive action in politics, especially one resulting in a change of government illegally or by force."

There obviously is nothing violent or illegal about this, it isn't a "change in government," nor is it even "decisive" given that it doesn't change the result of the primary even if it was held.  Trump is going to be the nominee.  And given that 1) open primaries/caucuses were not even the way nominees were selected for much of our history, and 2) the actual general election that decides the Presidency is unaffected, claiming this is "coup" is just ridiculous.  You think the party should support purely symbolic opposition to the inevitable nominee of the party, and the party -- through it's elected committees -- disagrees.

I'm suspecting you didn't consider it a "coup" when either Bush or Obama did the exact same thing -- it's only a "coup" now because the supporters of someone you don't like did the same thing that has been done when prior incumbents are the presumptive nominee.

Bill. Remember who you're arguing with. If reason, facts...or dictionary definitions...or intellect could convince NeverTrumpers....well...there wouldn't BE any NeverTrumpers. They've staked out what is essentially a religious position, placing faith in their own "belief" that Trump is unacceptable. The rest of us see the man's flaws, see the shortcomings in our electoral processes, understand how a primary works, and understand the existential threat to the Republic should we fail to unify under our current president in the face of a Socialist uprising/onslaught...and so can come to logical conclusions. Not so for that tiny fragment of conservatives who "believe" Trump to be bad.
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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #67 on: September 09, 2019, 03:43:09 PM »
Bill. Remember who you're arguing with. If reason, facts...or dictionary definitions...or intellect could convince NeverTrumpers....well...there wouldn't BE any NeverTrumpers. They've staked out what is essentially a religious position, placing faith in their own "belief" that Trump is unacceptable. The rest of us see the man's flaws, see the shortcomings in our electoral processes, understand how a primary works, and understand the existential threat to the Republic should we fail to unify under our current president in the face of a Socialist uprising/onslaught...and so can come to logical conclusions. Not so for that tiny fragment of conservatives who "believe" Trump to be bad.

The media used to get away with it, labeling and defining their republican targets, controlling the narrative.

But...Trump + Twitter changed all that...at least, for him.
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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #68 on: September 11, 2019, 11:51:26 AM »
You really should read the article.

I did.

That's how I found out that Democrats have done this before.

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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #69 on: September 11, 2019, 01:15:50 PM »
"This is "Putineze-Hitlereze"

Kook site, deja vu all-over-again. Stuck on stupid
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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #70 on: September 11, 2019, 01:16:37 PM »
The media used to get away with it, labeling and defining their republican targets, controlling the narrative.

But...Trump + Twitter changed all that...at least, for him.
And he used that against conservatives just like the media he took a check from for a decade. How do you think he learned those tricks?

We still remember Lyin' Ted.
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