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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2019, 01:33:09 PM »
I get this @XenaLee   I also get that playing right into the hands of those who would believe the President is a dictator is not my concern.  They've already made their decision the President is a dictator and their choice about voting for the President's reelection.  I'm all for shaking the sand off our sandals and moving on from this group.

These vanity candidates are in it for the money.  Nothing else; just a chance to keep contributions from the hardcore NT group hoping to wound the President so he loses in 2020 and they can twist that into proof they were right all along.

Yes, TDS is truly a mental disease. We can't cure it, so let's roll without it weighing us down.

Here's the problem with your thinking.   You can't think that way and hope to win... much less deserve to win.   The problem with the optics of this "no choice" decision in those states is that it will indeed sway voters to the other side and convince them that some of the idiots on the left were correct about Trump.  Others will ask, what's he afraid of?   Is this a glimmer of how he would rule in his 2nd term?  What it does to convince the 'on the fencers' will hurt the GOP, not help the GOP.  And trust me.... despite what you might think... the GOP needs every single vote it can eek out next year.   Being overconfident is a killer, especially when it concerns elections.  You should know that by now.
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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2019, 01:35:29 PM »
In some states the Democrats have done this in the past, all the more reason that we should not.
Democrats should be seen as the party most likely to anoint their leader.
We shouldn’t follow.

Exactly!   So why the hell would anyone (that's not a RINO or NT, that is) advocate for doing the same thing the fascist left is doing or trying to do?   It makes no sense unless you discern that those fools are on the other side, IMO.
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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2019, 01:44:12 PM »
Think of the opportunities for GOP style Virtue Signaling?

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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2019, 02:04:04 PM »
A convicted felon, Keith Russell Judd, won 41% of the vote—from DEMOCRATS— in West Virginia because he was not Barack Obama.

John Wolfe, whose notability is even less than Weld or Walsh, came within 7 points of beating Obama in Missouri because he was not Barack Obama.

It's an election, not a coronation. We deserve a choice, whether you like it or not. It's not your place or any other to play kingmaker and decide "well, you can't win so we won't let you try."

You’re not equating the fawning media environment Obama enjoyed with that of the hostile press and the establishment GOP resistance Trump faces every day of his presidency?

Point is you have to think tactically. Failure to support Trump is not a tenable option given that the socialists, Marxists and globalists are trending in the democrat party.

You’ve got to look for something to support in Trump, whether it’s the economy or border security, or pro life issues. This is not the time to splinter the GOP with primary challenges. Unity is needed on the Right.

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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2019, 02:10:01 PM »
I consider mimicking what the idiot left is doing (like in California re: restricting primaries by eliminating GOP names on the ballots)  by not having a primary in some states at all to be a major political blunder for the GOP.  This is NOT the time when the GOP can afford such a blunder.  In fact, it's the worst possible time.   Think this through, folks. 
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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #30 on: September 08, 2019, 02:23:02 PM »
You’re not equating the fawning media environment Obama enjoyed with that of the hostile press and the establishment GOP resistance Trump faces every day of his presidency?
And yet even with all that fawning, he came dangerously close to losing primaries.

Now think, with Trump's record—just yesterday he admitted he wanted to smuggle the Taliban into the country under the disguise of diplomacy, on the anniversary of 9/11 of all times—and there ought to be even more opposition! Quashing that just makes you look like a dictator.
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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #31 on: September 08, 2019, 02:26:48 PM »
   

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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #32 on: September 08, 2019, 02:32:32 PM »
Is this true, or is Walsh just stirring up stuff?
If true:
It is not a good idea.
It sets a precedent that I think will lead us down a slippery slope.
A National party should not be allowed to pick and choose which states should hold primaries.
If they keep this nonsense up, the Republican Party will be the American version of the Politburo.
I do not buy that they are trying to save money, it is an excuse.
The Liberals will have a field day with this saying like, “Republicans are not only denying minority voting rights, they are keeping their own people from going to the polls”.
This should be overturned/overruled

You really should read the article.
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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #33 on: September 08, 2019, 02:36:09 PM »
Are there no GOP challengers down the ballot? I guess that means you better like all the incumbents as there is no way to vote them out with another GOP candidate. Or in these states can multiple GOP candidates be on the National election?

I can't speak for other States, but in Arizona there are no GOP challengers down the ballot.  It's not technically the "Primary," but it's a "Presidential Preference."  This is only about that election.

This discussion is about State Primaries in some states, not all over the country.  There will still be Primaries.  Some States don't have them at all, IIRC.
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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #34 on: September 08, 2019, 03:32:14 PM »
@Cyber Liberty

This is "Putineze-Hitlereze - choosing the candidate for us.  We don't have a choice.  There will be other Republican candidates for president but dictator Trump just took them from us.

Plus, it takes away Republicans down the ballot - no choice there if another Republican for an office held by a different one now.  This is  tyranny. 

Someone in those states doing this should take this to court.

Seriously? Hitlereze? Tyranny?

If you had ANY grasp of history whatsoever you could never utter such absurdity. This is a primary, not a general election. In primaries, parties internally select their candidates...followed by free and fair general elections. There IS no constitutional requirement to have a primary...parties do so only to discern which of their candidates have the most internal support. When that internal support is already overwhelming, a primary becomes pointless. What about that is "Hitlereze" to you? Trump has deep and wide support among Republicans...in fact, at an almost unprecedented level. He HAS no serious challenger, so it would be intense stupidity for the GOP to hold a primary...which costs a great deal of money and only assists the Democrats in defeating the GOP candidate in the general.

You don't like Trump...we get it. But conservatives and Republicans...in huge numbers...DO support him. So many that running a primary is truly pointless...a waste of money and resources needed in the "real" election.

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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #35 on: September 08, 2019, 03:48:39 PM »
"This is "Putineze-Hitlereze"

Kook site, deja vu all-over-again. Stuck on stupid

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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #36 on: September 08, 2019, 03:55:25 PM »
Is this true, or is Walsh just stirring up stuff?
If true:
It is not a good idea.
It sets a precedent that I think will lead us down a slippery slope.
A National party should not be allowed to pick and choose which states should hold primaries.
If they keep this nonsense up, the Republican Party will be the American version of the Politburo.
I do not buy that they are trying to save money, it is an excuse.
The Liberals will have a field day with this saying like, “Republicans are not only denying minority voting rights, they are keeping their own people from going to the polls”.
This should be overturned/overruled

If it's Walsh, it's probably s**t stirring. 
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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #37 on: September 08, 2019, 03:59:39 PM »
Is this true, or is Walsh just stirring up stuff?
If true:
It is not a good idea.
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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #38 on: September 08, 2019, 04:18:05 PM »
Another tempest in a tiny teapot roils....  this is nothing new:

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But an RNC official argued that shutting down primaries and caucuses is not new during an incumbent's re-election campaign. The official pointed to Republicans canceling eight primary contests in 1992 and 10 in 2004, and Democrats scrapping eight primaries and caucuses in 1996 and 10 in 2012, during former President Obama's re-election campaign.

"Republicans and Democrats alike have opted out ... in previous election cycles: Democrats did so in 1996 with then-incumbent President Bill Clinton, and again in 2012 when President Obama was in office; Republicans opted out in 2004 when President Bush was up for re-election," said Republican Party of Arizona Chairman Kelli Ward. "This is nothing new, despite the media's inauthentic attempt to portray it as such. Arizona Republicans are fired up to re-elect President Trump to a second term and will continue to work together to keep America-and Arizona-great."

https://6abc.com/republican-party-in-south-carolina-cancels-2020-presidential-primary-/5521572/

I actually don't recall anyone huffing and puffing about it back then....

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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #39 on: September 08, 2019, 04:40:41 PM »
I actually don't recall anyone huffing and puffing about it back then....

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I do, alas. There were a considerable number of Republicans unhappy with President Lips and his busted "no new taxes" pledge among other things; and, there were a considerable number of Republicans likewise unhappy with President Lips II's floutings of the Constitution and big government conservatism. (Don't judge the huffing, puffing, or lack thereof solely along the line of certain Republican-oriented Websites who aimed to snuff any and most dissent.)

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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #40 on: September 08, 2019, 04:42:22 PM »
I can't speak for other States, but in Arizona there are no GOP challengers down the ballot.  It's not technically the "Primary," but it's a "Presidential Preference."  This is only about that election.

This discussion is about State Primaries in some states, not all over the country.  There will still be Primaries.  Some States don't have them at all, IIRC.

Here's one for Arizona and not very far down the ballot.

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https://www.apnews.com/ba7bad9f1b6d4e1ea2e5e9b50b1df6de
PHOENIX (AP) — A Phoenix-area businessman said Wednesday he’ll challenge U.S. Sen. Martha McSally in the Republican primary, setting up a potential threat to GOP efforts to hold onto John McCain’s former Senate seat.

Daniel McCarthy, who founded a cosmetics company and real-estate brokerage with his wife, said he’s running because he doesn’t think McSally can beat likely Democratic nominee Mark Kelly, a former astronaut.
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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #41 on: September 08, 2019, 06:04:50 PM »
Seriously? Hitlereze? Tyranny?

If you had ANY grasp of history whatsoever you could never utter such absurdity. This is a primary, not a general election. In primaries, parties internally select their candidates...followed by free and fair general elections. There IS no constitutional requirement to have a primary...parties do so only to discern which of their candidates have the most internal support. When that internal support is already overwhelming, a primary becomes pointless. What about that is "Hitlereze" to you? Trump has deep and wide support among Republicans...in fact, at an almost unprecedented level. He HAS no serious challenger, so it would be intense stupidity for the GOP to hold a primary...which costs a great deal of money and only assists the Democrats in defeating the GOP candidate in the general.

You don't like Trump...we get it. But conservatives and Republicans...in huge numbers...DO support him. So many that running a primary is truly pointless...a waste of money and resources needed in the "real" election.

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“Internal support,” what a clarifying phrase. Focuses the thinking. But, for some it triggers hyperventilating.

Someone said it up thread, this was a welcome opportunity to virtue signal, sans thought.

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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #42 on: September 08, 2019, 06:11:31 PM »
Republican delegate rules, 2020

Nothing there that requires any state party to hold a presidential primary.

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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #43 on: September 08, 2019, 06:47:45 PM »
Primaries are not just for president.

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The selection of candidates for federal, state, and local general elections takes place in primary elections organized by the public administration for the general voting public to participate in for the purpose of nominating the respective parties' official candidates; state voters start the electoral process for governors and legislators through the primary process, as well as for many local officials from city councilors to county commissioners.
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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #44 on: September 08, 2019, 07:25:17 PM »
God I missed you.  :beer:

“Internal support,” what a clarifying phrase. Focuses the thinking. But, for some it triggers hyperventilating.

Someone said it up thread, this was a welcome opportunity to virtue signal, sans thought.

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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #45 on: September 08, 2019, 07:43:45 PM »
Here's one for Arizona and not very far down the ballot.

It's so far down the ballot, it's not even on it.  That's a different election entirely.
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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #46 on: September 08, 2019, 07:46:37 PM »
Primaries are not just for president.

The Presidential Preference, which is the Election we're talking about, is in March or so, the Primary for Senator and the rest is in August.  Different Elections.  Canceling the August Primary would be way wrong because there's a whole ballot to vote.

This is AZ.  I've been voting in these for 40 years.
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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #47 on: September 08, 2019, 07:51:13 PM »
The Presidential Preference, which is the Election we're talking about, is in March or so, the Primary for Senator and the rest is in August.  Different Elections.  Canceling the August Primary would be way wrong because there's a whole ballot to vote.
This is AZ.  I've been voting in these for 40 years.
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Thanks for explaining how it is in your state.  You do have a primary for the other offices, however, I still think those Republicans running against the president should be in the primary.
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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #48 on: September 08, 2019, 07:55:53 PM »
So Trump can encourage primaries against sitting congressmen, but he can not be primaried.  Makes perfect sense to me.

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Re: Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
« Reply #49 on: September 08, 2019, 08:07:01 PM »
   Being overconfident is a killer, especially when it concerns elections.  You should know that by now. 

I'm not overconfident @XenaLee  ... and this is exactly why I know we do not have time to fritter away on a small group of intransigents who will not vote for the President.  What I have learned by now is to those few "never" means "never".

I'd rather we turn our attention to the "maybes".  They are worth our time and attention.
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