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Re: Hillary Clinton’s emails were sent, potentially secretly, to a cryptically named Gmail address
« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2019, 02:43:45 am »
Quote from: roamer_1 on August 18, 2019, 02:36:15 am
In this case perhaps, but I know ISPs save data for 7 years, and I suspect everybody else providing service does too.

Clinton left the State Department in January, 2013.
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Re: Hillary Clinton’s emails were sent, potentially secretly, to a cryptically named Gmail address
« Reply #26 on: August 18, 2019, 02:46:02 am »
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Clinton left the State Department in January, 2013.

I know.
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Re: Hillary Clinton’s emails were sent, potentially secretly, to a cryptically named Gmail address
« Reply #27 on: August 18, 2019, 02:47:20 am »
Quote from: roamer_1 on August 18, 2019, 02:46:02 am
I know.

So do the Feebs, and do their techies care now any more than they cared before?
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Re: Hillary Clinton’s emails were sent, potentially secretly, to a cryptically named Gmail address
« Reply #28 on: August 18, 2019, 02:50:14 am »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on August 18, 2019, 02:47:20 am
So do the Feebs, and do their techies care now any more than they cared before?

Right. If the Republicans gaining congress that mid-term did nothing to lock up that data, then it's way too late now.

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Re: Hillary Clinton’s emails were sent, potentially secretly, to a cryptically named Gmail address
« Reply #29 on: August 18, 2019, 02:53:20 am »
Quote from: roamer_1 on August 18, 2019, 02:29:45 am
Right - thus a mac addy spoofer. I am only concerned with the router at the source, where that mac addy is tied to an LAN IP live for the length of the lease, and may also be logged.

No. You would be more right if it was a card, but since networking is onboard these days, it is part and parcel to the device - And if your name is on that device, if you paid with check or credit card, the buyer record is known by the retailer, and the machine is known by the manufacturer. They can put it together, and they do. RFID tagging at it's best.

Hackers get caught because they get lazy.

The last router that sees my MAC is in my house, and that's before it gets to the cable modem.

It doesn't matter if the NIC is onboard or on a card.  It's unlikely that the manufacturer is going to track the MAC to the sale to the wholesaler.  It's unrealistic that the wholesaler is going to track the MAC to the sale to the retailer.  There's no way in heck the retailer is going to even attempt to track the MAC to the end user purchase, even if I didn't pay cash.  And that's assuming the  manufacturer labels the packages with unique "serial numbers" to begin with, which is unbelievable.
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Re: Hillary Clinton’s emails were sent, potentially secretly, to a cryptically named Gmail address
« Reply #30 on: August 18, 2019, 03:00:06 am »
Quote from: roamer_1 on August 18, 2019, 02:36:15 am
In this case perhaps, but I know ISPs save data for 7 years, and I suspect everybody else providing service does too.

Four years ago that was not true (has it been four years already?) for all ISPs.  It's probably quite safe to say that "everybody else providing service does too" is not true, since that would apply to pretty much every employer whose employees have company user accounts.
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Re: Hillary Clinton’s emails were sent, potentially secretly, to a cryptically named Gmail address
« Reply #31 on: August 18, 2019, 03:09:45 am »
Quote from: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on August 18, 2019, 02:53:20 am
The last router that sees my MAC is in my house, and that's before it gets to the cable modem.

Right - Same for me. But you'd have to be an idiot to be doing anything untoward from your home. You would be using some public access or preferably a stumbled location.

The internet IP will lead them to that location, and the mac will lead them to the LAN machine. If there were logs kept (which you would likely not have control over, unless you a damn good), they will have the MacAddy.

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It doesn't matter if the NIC is onboard or on a card.  It's unlikely that the manufacturer is going to track the MAC to the sale to the wholesaler.  It's unrealistic that the wholesaler is going to track the MAC to the sale to the retailer.  There's no way in heck the retailer is going to even attempt to track the MAC to the end user purchase, even if I didn't pay cash.  And that's assuming the  manufacturer labels the packages with unique "serial numbers" to begin with, which is unbelievable.

I beg to differ - Since RFID inventory, parts can be tracked all the way. Info entered at the beginning is the very same thing all the way through. There may be several RFIDs attached to a device, but as a new RFID is attached, it uses information read from the first, or previous, and so on.

It is all tracked, all the way through.
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Re: Hillary Clinton’s emails were sent, potentially secretly, to a cryptically named Gmail address
« Reply #32 on: August 20, 2019, 02:06:43 am »
Quote from: roamer_1 on August 18, 2019, 03:09:45 am
Right - Same for me. But you'd have to be an idiot to be doing anything untoward from your home. You would be using some public access or preferably a stumbled location.

The internet IP will lead them to that location, and the mac will lead them to the LAN machine. If there were logs kept (which you would likely not have control over, unless you a damn good), they will have the MacAddy.

I beg to differ - Since RFID inventory, parts can be tracked all the way. Info entered at the beginning is the very same thing all the way through. There may be several RFIDs attached to a device, but as a new RFID is attached, it uses information read from the first, or previous, and so on.

It is all tracked, all the way through.

MAC addresses can be easily spoofed. If you are on a hill near any city USA a high gain (and therefore highly directional) WiFi antenna can pick up a large number of the WiFi networks with many being unsecured providing the perfect gateway into the Web with absolutely no usable record of where the actual connection came from.
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Re: Hillary Clinton’s emails were sent, potentially secretly, to a cryptically named Gmail address
« Reply #33 on: August 20, 2019, 02:16:51 am »
Quote from: DB on August 20, 2019, 02:06:43 am
MAC addresses can be easily spoofed. If you are on a hill near any city USA a high gain (and therefore highly directional) WiFi antenna can pick up a large number of the WiFi networks with many being unsecured providing the perfect gateway into the Web with absolutely no usable record of where the actual connection came from.

All future cyber crimes will originate from Starbucks, McDonald's and Motel Six.  They keep a light on for you.
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Re: Hillary Clinton’s emails were sent, potentially secretly, to a cryptically named Gmail address
« Reply #34 on: August 20, 2019, 03:58:20 am »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on August 20, 2019, 02:16:51 am
All future cyber crimes will originate from Starbucks, McDonald's and Motel Six.  They keep a light on for you.

Actually, industrial settings make for better targets... Less chance of cams, better wireless, wide open unthrottled guest access... and usually pretty lonesome at night.

Theoretically, I mean...  happy77

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Re: Hillary Clinton’s emails were sent, potentially secretly, to a cryptically named Gmail address
« Reply #35 on: August 20, 2019, 04:10:43 am »
Quote from: DB on August 20, 2019, 02:06:43 am
MAC addresses can be easily spoofed.

yeah - that's easily automated... Just a little gizmo that starts on login and generates a different mac every time... No worries.

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If you are on a hill near any city USA a high gain (and therefore highly directional) WiFi antenna can pick up a large number of the WiFi networks with many being unsecured providing the perfect gateway into the Web with absolutely no usable record of where the actual connection came from.

Oddly enough, not so easy around here. Mountains and trees make line-of-site difficult... And most residential routers are protected and with guest off... You've got to just drive around to find something open... ALTHOUGH, it is getting more common to have open guest access - friends over need wiffy for their phones and tablets and such, and it is easier to set them up open so they just work.

Still more likely at hospitality locations, or my favorite, industrial sites.
I don't have much need for such things anymore... but I still know where I can go on the road for unthrottled access if I need to pull a file down.
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Re: Hillary Clinton’s emails were sent, potentially secretly, to a cryptically named Gmail address
« Reply #36 on: August 20, 2019, 04:13:16 am »
Quote from: roamer_1 on August 20, 2019, 03:58:20 am
Actually, industrial settings make for better targets... Less chance of cams, better wireless, wide open unthrottled guest access... and usually pretty lonesome at night.

Theoretically, I mean...  happy77

Mine was locked down tighter than a gnat's ass, but that was a Fortune 500 type company.  At least I could to get on TBR OK, or you would never have heard of me.
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Re: Hillary Clinton’s emails were sent, potentially secretly, to a cryptically named Gmail address
« Reply #37 on: August 20, 2019, 02:25:04 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on August 20, 2019, 04:13:16 am
Mine was locked down tighter than a gnat's ass, but that was a Fortune 500 type company.  At least I could to get on TBR OK, or you would never have heard of me.

Yeah... thinking way too big. I can tell you somewhere between 10-20 local joints, building supply, welding supply, plumbing supply, shipping, etc, that provide unthrottled guest services (Unlike hospitality), that are locked up at night, and no one is there. few passes by sheriff or security... They are well wired, and rely on alarm systems for security... And since I am not attempting B&E, my pilfering, from their POV, would be relatively benign. There's a really nice hidden spot in a sort of alley behind the UPS Store, as an example...

Theoretically, I mean.

And it is a pretty good exercise, btw, without any hacking.
If the jackboots take over the government, like so many dread, I know I can walk off and avoid any imposition... But having communication access world wide, anonymously, might be a handy feature.
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Re: Hillary Clinton’s emails were sent, potentially secretly, to a cryptically named Gmail address
« Reply #38 on: August 20, 2019, 02:55:01 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on August 20, 2019, 02:25:04 pm
Yeah... thinking way too big. I can tell you somewhere between 10-20 local joints, building supply, welding supply, plumbing supply, shipping, etc, that provide unthrottled guest services (Unlike hospitality), that are locked up at night, and no one is there. few passes by sheriff or security... They are well wired, and rely on alarm systems for security... And since I am not attempting B&E, my pilfering, from their POV, would be relatively benign. There's a really nice hidden spot in a sort of alley behind the UPS Store, as an example...

Theoretically, I mean.

And it is a pretty good exercise, btw, without any hacking.
If the jackboots take over the government, like so many dread, I know I can walk off and avoid any imposition... But having communication access world wide, anonymously, might be a handy feature.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warchalking
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Re: Hillary Clinton’s emails were sent, potentially secretly, to a cryptically named Gmail address
« Reply #39 on: August 20, 2019, 03:12:37 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on August 20, 2019, 02:55:01 pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warchalking

Yeah - heard of warchalking... That ain't done around here, or at least I have not seen it...
I think that's a big city thing. Mostly up here it is simple stumbling.
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Re: Hillary Clinton’s emails were sent, potentially secretly, to a cryptically named Gmail address
« Reply #40 on: August 20, 2019, 11:50:48 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on August 20, 2019, 03:12:37 pm
Yeah - heard of warchalking... That ain't done around here, or at least I have not seen it...
I think that's a big city thing. Mostly up here it is simple stumbling.
Just ask the kids, they know every wifi they can tap into with a phone. I have seen a little bit of chalking in town, but not much.
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