Autopsy finds broken bones in Jeffrey Epstein’s neck, deepening questions around his death

[Bigun]

I was just thinking about those paper gowns I get at the doctor's office.  99 times out of a hundred they are ripped within 2 minutes after I put them on. 

Maybe Epstein didn't have paper sheets at the time he died.  Or maybe he committed suicide with something else.

Of course, but all of the reports I've seen/heard said he hung himself with a bedsheet.  Doesn't make it true.

[thackney]

Even if he had normal sheets, what did he tie them to?

The upper bunk.  But it takes some real determination to keep knees bent or leaning forward until you black out.  Possible a "cannonball" type tuck and jump.  It has been done before.  Suspicious, but not impossible.

[Applewood]

There was a time no editor would have permitted this anonymous, unconfirmed "report" to be published.

And yet, it seems to me nearly every news item is like that today.  I'm guessing it's from some extreme competitiveness to get the story out before everyone else, or to report something  -- anything -- even if it's unconfirmed or downright phony, just to keep the subscription and advertising money rolling in.

[Applewood]

Of course, but all of the reports I've seen/heard said he hung himself with a bedsheet.  Doesn't make it true.

So maybe it was a regular sheet????

[Sanguine]

The upper bunk.  But it takes some real determination to keep knees bent or leaning forward until you black out.  Possible a "cannonball" type tuck and jump.  It has been done before.  Suspicious, but not impossible.

Yeah, I've tried to imagine that.  Maybe I'm just lacking in imagination.

Here's my problem - let's say the upper bunk is 4 or even 5 feet above ground.  You tie the sheet around your neck and the other end to the upper bunk - say generously, 5 feet drop all together.  You fling yourself off of the upper bunk, and the minute your feet hit the ground, there is not enough pressure to break your neck and kill you.  So, you go limp to try to suffocate yourself.  When you pass out, or even before that, your feet and/or knees are on the ground taking much of the pressure off of the neck.  Is there enough pressure for a 200 lb man to suffocate himself that way? 

[austingirl]

The upper bunk.  But it takes some real determination to keep knees bent or leaning forward until you black out.  Possible a "cannonball" type tuck and jump.  It has been done before.  Suspicious, but not impossible.

That's the story, but it doesn't explain the broken bones. Of course we don't know what, if anything, is true. His death is suspicious and way too convenient.

[mystery-ak]

Even if he had normal sheets, what did he tie them to?

His room had bunkbeds...it was discussed last night on Fox...he was supposed to have a low single bed on a platform...

[thackney]

That's the story, but it doesn't explain the broken bones. Of course we don't know what, if anything, is true. His death is suspicious and way too convenient.

About 25% of suicides by hanging results in broken neck bones.

https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/jeffrey-epstein-hyoid-bone-broken-neck/

...Three authors specifically studied broken hyoid bones in hanging cases in the article Fractures of the hyoid bone and thyroid cartilage in suicidal hanging. They conducted “A prospective study of hyoid bone and thyroid cartilage fractures in Thai people who died from suicidal hanging between November 2008 and August 2009.”

The results of that study found that a broken hyoid occurred in about one-fourth of cases: “Twenty male cases of suicidal hanging were reviewed. Fractures of the hyoid bone and/or thyroid cartilage were found in five cases (25%).” This study also noted: “Fractures of the hyoid bone and thyroid cartilage in 25% of Thais who died of suicidal hanging were related with older ages and incomplete hanging but not related with location of the knot.”...

[thackney]

His room had bunkbeds...it was discussed last night on Fox...he was supposed to have a low single bed on a platform...

I believe that was only while he was on suicide watch.

[Sanguine]

That's the story, but it doesn't explain the broken bones. Of course we don't know what, if anything, is true. His death is suspicious and way too convenient.

And, those in charge know that and it seems like they would do everything possible to appear transparent and "get the truth out quickly and try to avoid "conspiracy theories" from gaining a foothold.

[skeeter]

That's the story, but it doesn't explain the broken bones. Of course we don't know what, if anything, is true. His death is suspicious and way too convenient.

Nor does it explain the 'nostopdon't' coming from his cell the night he died.

[Bill Cipher]

Fox News has the same story..

Just a question/observation....if true

I you are strangling yourself wouldn't the normal body reflex be to stop with the pain of breaking the bones in your neck as you are tightening the noose?

Clearly not, because any number of people kill themselves this way.  Remember Kate Spade?  She tied something around her neck, tied it to a door handle, and killed herself through the simple expedient of sitting down.

[verga]

I'm still working on how anyone would hang himself with a paper bedsheet that is designed to tear.

I recall seeing ropes made out of paper by twisting them. If you folded it first into several layers and then twisted them it could be fairly substantial and increase the tensile strength.

[XenaLee]

Nor does it explain the 'nostopdon't' coming from his cell the night he died.

Reported 'shrieking' coming from his cell.  And yet, oddly enough, nobody bothered to check on him.  Uh huh.

Bottom line, I'm not buying that Epstein could or would harm himself in any way.   And breaking multiple bones in the process?  Nah.

Somebody (more like a crowd) wanted Epstein dead.  Former clients?  Former orgy partners?  Former blackmail victims?     We can only surmise who arranged for him to BE dead.

[Applewood]

Nor does it explain the 'nostopdon't' coming from his cell the night he died.

Do you know for sure if that story is true?

[skeeter]

Do you know for sure if that story is true?

There's nothing about this story we know for sure. But CBS reported it.

[Applewood]

There's nothing about this story we know for sure. But CBS reported it.

...which I thought was one of those "fake news" sources so many talk about here. 

And this report came from one of those sources "familiar with the situation."    Whoever the hell that is.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-death-shrieking-heard-jail-cell-morning-he-died-metropolitan-correctional-center/

[Sanguine]

...which I thought was one of those "fake news" sources so many talk about here. 

And this report came from one of those sources "familiar with the situation."    Whoever the hell that is.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-death-shrieking-heard-jail-cell-morning-he-died-metropolitan-correctional-center/

Technically, we don't know that Jeffery Epstein ever existed.  We take the preponderance of evidence and from that extrapolate that he did.  That's all we can do here.  The preponderance of evidence at this point in time says that there are a whole lot of reasonable questions about his life and death and few answers being put forth by those who should have access to those answers. 

[skeeter]

Technically, we don't know that Jeffery Epstein ever existed.  We take the preponderance of evidence and from that extrapolate that he did.  That's all we can do here.  The preponderance of evidence at this point in time says that there are a whole lot of reasonable questions about his life and death and few answers being put forth by those who should have access to those answers.

Honestly I don't know why anyone would scoff at conspiracy theories about this situation. It reads better than a Richard Condon novel.

[mystery-ak]

HERE IT IS: Complete List of Inconsistencies in Prison Policy Surrounding Jeffrey Epstein’s Death
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/08/here-it-is-complete-list-of-inconsistencies-in-prison-policy-surrounding-jeffrey-epsteins-death/

[Applewood]

Technically, we don't know that Jeffery Epstein ever existed.  We take the preponderance of evidence and from that extrapolate that he did.  That's all we can do here.  The preponderance of evidence at this point in time says that there are a whole lot of reasonable questions about his life and death and few answers being put forth by those who should have access to those answers.

Not sure we even have any evidence, other than reports from so-called news outlets quoting anonymous or dubious sources. 

I agree there are plenty of questions here. But I still think we shouldn't jump to conclusions until the investigations are completed and we see an actual report -- if indeed anyone lets us dumb peasants see a report.  It bothers me that the more these "news" outlets report on Epstein's death, the more they seem to be deliberately fanning the flames of some deep conspiracy theory.  Would really like to know why they would want to do that. 

[austingirl]

About 25% of suicides by hanging results in broken neck bones.

https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/jeffrey-epstein-hyoid-bone-broken-neck/

The study you quote was done on Thais who are small in stature compared to Americans. Epstein was 6 feet and 200 pounds. Breaking the bones is common when there is a long drop, but not when the subject has to bend his knees and lean forward. He'd probably pass out before applying enough pressure to break the bones and finish asphyxiating himself.

[Sanguine]

The study you quote was done on Thais who are small in stature compared to Americans. Epstein was 6 feet and 200 pounds. Breaking the bones is common when there is a long drop, but not when the subject has to bend his knees and lean forward. He'd probably pass out before applying enough pressure to break the bones and finish asphyxiating himself.

And, the study doesn't say from what height the Thai suicides were committed.  That is the issue I'm having.  Tall man, short bunk. 

[Cyber Liberty]

Reported 'shrieking' coming from his cell.  And yet, oddly enough, nobody bothered to check on him.  Uh huh.

Bottom line, I'm not buying that Epstein could or would harm himself in any way.   And breaking multiple bones in the process?  Nah.

Somebody (more like a crowd) wanted Epstein dead.  Former clients?  Former orgy partners?  Former blackmail victims?     We can only surmise who arranged for him to BE dead.

He had lots of people blackmailed, some pretty powerful.  The Sauds, the Clintons, even the British Royal Family wanted him dead.  The Royals wanted Princess Di dead because of the shame she brought on the Family, so there's history there.

It's hard not to imagine a Murder on the Orient Express scenario, where everybody had a hand on the knife.

[TomSea]

HERE IT IS: Complete List of Inconsistencies in Prison Policy Surrounding Jeffrey Epstein’s Death
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/08/here-it-is-complete-list-of-inconsistencies-in-prison-policy-surrounding-jeffrey-epsteins-death/

Saved for future reference.

Yes, it's certainly breaking down to something fishy going on and I've never named a potential responsible party to begin with.

Anythings questionable needs to be looked at, it be the Milwaukee Jail when Sheriff David Clarke was there or anything else. We aren't a banana republic (yet).