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Re: Bill to Require Those Wanting Body Armor to Get FBI Permission
« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2019, 07:55:47 PM »
SlickGun News by Chris Eger August 12, 2019

Under Schumer’s measure, those who aren’t law enforcement would need to get a green light from the FBI to get body armor– and show a reason why they need it.


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Just out of curiousity,does this include congresscritters and their running dog buttpals,US Senators?
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Re: Bill to Require Those Wanting Body Armor to Get FBI Permission
« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2019, 07:57:47 PM »
  Will government permission soon be required for me to place a lock on my door?

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Yes,you will,comrade. Take cheer! If you ever lose your key,the local cops will have a copy.
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Re: Bill to Require Those Wanting Body Armor to Get FBI Permission
« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2019, 08:03:51 PM »

If you increase the weight of the bullet and keep the powder grains the same, you’re decreasing velocity. You’ll be hitting with a cue ball, instead of a baseball, but it still won’t penetrate. You’d be better off with a .17 HMR varmint gun, since low cross section and high velocity is what defeats body armor. That’s why the FN SS190 5.7X28 MM ammo is restricted.


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Penetration ain't everything. If you hit someone in the center of his chest with a 400 grain hard cast flatpoint bullet fired at 50,000 CUP it's going to crush his rib cage and stop his heart.

You do make an excellent point about the uber-velocity 17 caliber spire point solids,though. I doubt there is a bulletproof vest they won't go through and barely slow down.
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Re: Bill to Require Those Wanting Body Armor to Get FBI Permission
« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2019, 08:17:05 PM »
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Penetration ain't everything. If you hit someone in the center of his chest with a 400 grain hard cast flatpoint bullet fired at 50,000 CUP it's going to crush his rib cage and stop his heart.

You do make an excellent point about the uber-velocity 17 caliber spire point solids,though. I doubt there is a bulletproof vest they won't go through and barely slow down.


Penetration matters a lot. As an example, would you rather take your chances with getting hit in the chest with a sledgehammer or stabbed in the heart/lungs with a scratch awl? If not for the proximity of GW Hospital, the .22 that ricocheted off the door would have killed Reagan.
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Re: Bill to Require Those Wanting Body Armor to Get FBI Permission
« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2019, 08:23:10 PM »
That's why they sell Armor Plates.

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Re: Bill to Require Those Wanting Body Armor to Get FBI Permission
« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2019, 08:25:14 PM »
According to Schumer’s office, one study found that 5 percent of a group of 110 active shooters between 2000 and 2012 used body armor.


The only time I can recall it really helping anyone was in the North Hollywood shootout, but that was 1997.
Yeah I think it helped them until the cops started going for their ankles instead of body shots.

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Re: Bill to Require Those Wanting Body Armor to Get FBI Permission
« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2019, 09:13:47 PM »
My only use for factory 45-70 ammo was just to have the brass to reload. There may be some potent factory loads now, but when I started with the 45-70 all the factory ammo was loaded to the Trapdoor pressures of 25,000 c.u.p. I was loading up to 40,000 c.u.p. for my 1895 Marlin. The Hornady manual showed loads for the Ruger #1 at 50,000 c.u.p.

That's right, and probably what my buddy was saying. He said they used a slow burn powder to more or less mimic old school pressures. He reckoned it to a blowgun... blowing a pre-pressured short hard burst as hard as you can, versus just blowing into it as hard as you can... The short burst is going to be far more effective.


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Re: Bill to Require Those Wanting Body Armor to Get FBI Permission
« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2019, 09:28:23 PM »

If you increase the weight of the bullet and keep the powder grains the same, you’re decreasing velocity. You’ll be hitting with a cue ball, instead of a baseball, but it still won’t penetrate. You’d be better off with a .17 HMR varmint gun, since low cross section and high velocity is what defeats body armor. That’s why the FN SS190 5.7X28 MM ammo is restricted.


I will cede, as it ain't my purpose anyhow. What I want is a fat piece of lead that will go though brush without deflection and end up hitting what I want, knocking it down right there.. High velocity is the last thing I want in that scenario. As far as I am concerned that 45/70 is king for brush and saddle. And everything I poke a hole in with it stays put.

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Re: Bill to Require Those Wanting Body Armor to Get FBI Permission
« Reply #33 on: August 13, 2019, 09:53:49 PM »
I will cede, as it ain't my purpose anyhow. What I want is a fat piece of lead that will go though brush without deflection and end up hitting what I want, knocking it down right there.. High velocity is the last thing I want in that scenario. As far as I am concerned that 45/70 is king for brush and saddle. And everything I poke a hole in with it stays put.


I agree. The .45-70 is a good round for a lot of things. It’s why I purchased an 1895 GBL this past spring. If I had to bug out somewhere, however, I can’t take everything with me. In a survival situation, I’d probably stick with my AR-10 and 1911. The ammo is easier to find and the calibers are effective. The suburbs of KCK isn’t the frontier, so I’d face different challenges.
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« Reply #34 on: August 13, 2019, 10:08:49 PM »

I agree. The .45-70 is a good round for a lot of things. It’s why I purchased an 1895 GBL this past spring. If I had to bug out somewhere, however, I can’t take everything with me. In a survival situation, I’d probably stick with my AR-10 and 1911. The ammo is easier to find and the calibers are effective. The suburbs of KCK isn’t the frontier, so I’d face different challenges.

I am going back to colt45 for that reason - availability for brass and rounds up in the woods if I need to...

I would be hard pressed to take either the 45/70 or the 30/30... Probably one or the other... though the 30/30 rounds are probably more available.  Actually, what would probably be best is a 410 single shot with a range of shells and a barrel insert for a .22LR... Other than for people and griz. Survival-wise, I mean... I've already got big iron and rounds cached up there, but I don't thing that's all that good on the carry... I would assume to be sticking to brush and trying not to make noise... So that 410 and a break-down bow would be of greater use.

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Re: Bill to Require Those Wanting Body Armor to Get FBI Permission
« Reply #35 on: August 14, 2019, 06:07:21 AM »
If I want to buy a $65 dollar Level III Kevlar Plate to slip into my backpack that could possibly save me in the event of an attack where I can't get to my gun or I'm not allowed to carry (like when I'm on a cruise) I shouldn't have to go through the suits at the Hoover Building or at the local field office in Denver to get permission.
Bad enough these bungwipes want to tell what you can carry, now they want to dictate what you can wear.

What's next? Work boots? Sneakers? Ho Chi Minh Sandals?
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Re: Bill to Require Those Wanting Body Armor to Get FBI Permission
« Reply #36 on: August 14, 2019, 06:08:38 AM »
I am going back to colt45 for that reason - availability for brass and rounds up in the woods if I need to...

I would be hard pressed to take either the 45/70 or the 30/30... Probably one or the other... though the 30/30 rounds are probably more available.  Actually, what would probably be best is a 410 single shot with a range of shells and a barrel insert for a .22LR... Other than for people and griz. Survival-wise, I mean... I've already got big iron and rounds cached up there, but I don't thing that's all that good on the carry... I would assume to be sticking to brush and trying not to make noise... So that 410 and a break-down bow would be of greater use.
I have taken whitetails with .410 rifled slugs (one shot kills). It'd seem a mite anemic for Griz, but better than birdshot...
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Re: Bill to Require Those Wanting Body Armor to Get FBI Permission
« Reply #37 on: August 14, 2019, 06:52:34 AM »
Bad enough these bungwipes want to tell what you can carry, now they want to dictate what you can wear.

What's next? Work boots? Sneakers? Ho Chi Minh Sandals?

@Smokin Joe it’s all about denial of self defense and the ability of a person to protect themselves.
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« Reply #38 on: August 14, 2019, 08:05:39 AM »
@Smokin Joe it’s all about denial of self defense and the ability of a person to protect themselves.
They want to make us all dependent slaves, just like the welfare moms. How's that 'protection' thing going in the inner cities (Chicago, New Orleans, Baltimore, Detroit, NYC, SF...etc.)?
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Re: Bill to Require Those Wanting Body Armor to Get FBI Permission
« Reply #39 on: August 14, 2019, 08:18:58 AM »
Bad enough these bungwipes want to tell what you can carry, now they want to dictate what you can wear.

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Re: Bill to Require Those Wanting Body Armor to Get FBI Permission
« Reply #40 on: August 14, 2019, 08:42:00 AM »
I have taken whitetails with .410 rifled slugs (one shot kills). It'd seem a mite anemic for Griz, but better than birdshot...

Yeah. I have knocked a deer with a 410 too, and a .22LR (stinger)... I would be fairly confident with a pistol even... It ain't what you got, it's where you put it... :)

To a degree anyhoo... Would not admire trying such things against bigger game - elk or moose... and certainly not bear, not to mention griz. It's still where you put it, but placement becomes all the more important, because the risk is far greater. To the animal and to me. Consequences for failure are not worth the risk.

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Re: Bill to Require Those Wanting Body Armor to Get FBI Permission
« Reply #41 on: August 14, 2019, 09:02:33 AM »
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As I said, I have no need... I am seldom where people go, and I am usually where I can step off into the woods... At worst a short ride in the pickup. And if I hit the woods I am gone. Disappeared. And there ain't many with the cajones to follow an armed, pissed off hillbilly into heavy bush, even if he could. Don't y'all worry none.
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« Reply #42 on: August 14, 2019, 09:04:45 AM »
It won’t penetrate Level III and IIIa soft armor, but the energy transfer would probably incapacitate the wearer.
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I don't know about these levels.  Please explain these levels - what they mean.  Thanks, edpc.
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Re: Bill to Require Those Wanting Body Armor to Get FBI Permission
« Reply #43 on: August 14, 2019, 09:15:30 AM »
@edpc

I don't know about these levels.  Please explain these levels - what they mean.  Thanks, edpc.


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Here’s a reference chart.

https://www.justnet.org/pdf/Understanding-Armor-Protection.pdf
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Re: Bill to Require Those Wanting Body Armor to Get FBI Permission
« Reply #45 on: August 14, 2019, 09:20:35 AM »
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You and I were going to get married.  I am glad we called that off because I could not live in the woods.   wink777

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Re: Bill to Require Those Wanting Body Armor to Get FBI Permission
« Reply #46 on: August 14, 2019, 09:25:18 AM »
They want to make us all dependent slaves, just like the welfare moms. How's that 'protection' thing going in the inner cities (Chicago, New Orleans, Baltimore, Detroit, NYC, SF...etc.)?

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« Reply #47 on: August 14, 2019, 09:28:09 AM »
@Smokin Joe it’s all about denial of self defense and the ability of a person to protect themselves.

@txradioguy @Smokin Joe

Close,but not quite there.

What it is REALLY about is the establishment of a world-wide fascist-communist system that controls every aspect of the masses minds and actions. No detail of your life is too trivial for them to control it. What they want is flesh-machines to mindlessly do their bidding so the world is safe and comfortable for them and their familes.

This is raw POWER,so far advanced over mere finances that money isn't even an issue. If you have the kind of power they are seeking,you don't even need money because anything and everything you want or need is already yours. All you have to do is ask for it,and your minions will deliver it to you.
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« Reply #48 on: August 14, 2019, 09:30:03 AM »
They want to make us all dependent slaves, just like the welfare moms. How's that 'protection' thing going in the inner cities (Chicago, New Orleans, Baltimore, Detroit, NYC, SF...etc.)?


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And there you have it.
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« Reply #49 on: August 14, 2019, 09:32:26 AM »

@Smokin Joe

And there you have it.

@sneakypete and with their overt threats yesterday to the SCOTUS over how they intend to rule in the NYSRA v. City of New York case shows the lengths (so far) that they're wiling to go to make us dependent slaves.
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