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Re: The Truly Insidious Nature of Red Flag Laws - KrisAnne Hall, JD
« Reply #500 on: August 16, 2019, 08:56:29 pm »
@Anyone time-impaired, hearing-impaired, or otherwise impaired, or just wants the text of the presentation!!

Here it is, the rest of the transcription,  from 25:17 through 46:52.

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Again here is the Mp3 (and a slightly lower tone) audio also for those that just want to listen while reading your transcript...

The Truly Insidious Nature of Red Flag Laws- KrisAnne Hall,.mp3
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Re: The Truly Insidious Nature of Red Flag Laws - KrisAnne Hall, JD
« Reply #501 on: August 16, 2019, 08:59:39 pm »
@Sighlass @EdJames

Just a thought but you guys should send copies of those files to KrisAnne, too. SHe could archive them on a server, send links in e-mails, and it could really go viral.
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Re: The Truly Insidious Nature of Red Flag Laws - KrisAnne Hall, JD
« Reply #502 on: August 16, 2019, 09:05:52 pm »
Even more dangerous is the idea that they might pull something akin to current Civil Asset Forfeiture, where the object is accused of a crime, just by being present, and seized. (Unconstitutional,  imho, and only upheld by the most perverted and contorted legal logic--in the end, a person is deprived of their property whether they were using it in or received it as the result of criminal activity or not)

That's what frosts me about asset forfeiture.  They don't arrest the person because he has rights and must be charged with a crime in a set period of time, then must be released absent an indictment.  No, they "arrest" an inanimate object that has no such rights.

"You are not under arrest, but the cash you have that you need to start a business or buy a house is."  Happens every damned day, and pie-in-the-sky lawyers, who are detached from the actual consequences, think this is an excellent state of affairs.  People need to pay them to get their stuff.
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Re: The Truly Insidious Nature of Red Flag Laws - KrisAnne Hall, JD
« Reply #503 on: August 16, 2019, 09:14:03 pm »
That's what frosts me about asset forfeiture.  They don't arrest the person because he has rights and must be charged with a crime in a set period of time, then must be released absent an indictment.  No, they "arrest" an inanimate object that has no such rights.

"You are not under arrest, but the cash you have that you need to start a business or buy a house is."  Happens every damned day, and pie-in-the-sky lawyers, who are detached from the actual consequences, think this is an excellent state of affairs.  People need to pay them to get their stuff.
For most folks, this is why we can't have nice things. Someone, somewhere, might want to buy it at the police auction...
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Re: The Truly Insidious Nature of Red Flag Laws - KrisAnne Hall, JD
« Reply #504 on: August 16, 2019, 09:20:41 pm »
For most folks, this is why we can't have nice things. Someone, somewhere, might want to buy it at the police auction...

Yeah, like the cop who served the seizure order, and therefore knows it exists.
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Re: The Truly Insidious Nature of Red Flag Laws - KrisAnne Hall, JD
« Reply #505 on: August 16, 2019, 09:50:52 pm »
@Sighlass @EdJames

Just a thought but you guys should send copies of those files to KrisAnne, too. SHe could archive them on a server, send links in e-mails, and it could really go viral.

Great idea, @Smokin Joe!  I left her the links via the Contact page on her site...  mentioned that you suggested that she may want to collect them for wider availability.  Thanks for sharing the thought!!

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Re: The Truly Insidious Nature of Red Flag Laws - KrisAnne Hall, JD
« Reply #506 on: August 16, 2019, 10:06:45 pm »
Great idea, @Smokin Joe!  I left her the links via the Contact page on her site...  mentioned that you suggested that she may want to collect them for wider availability.  Thanks for sharing the thought!!

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Re: The Truly Insidious Nature of Red Flag Laws - KrisAnne Hall, JD
« Reply #507 on: August 16, 2019, 11:21:48 pm »
That's what frosts me about asset forfeiture.  They don't arrest the person because he has rights and must be charged with a crime in a set period of time, then must be released absent an indictment.  No, they "arrest" an inanimate object that has no such rights.

 

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I am shocked you overlooked the most obvious reason this happens.

They can't sell the gun owners for a profit to buy new toys with or to fly to Hawaii for LEO conferences.

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Re: The Truly Insidious Nature of Red Flag Laws - KrisAnne Hall, JD
« Reply #508 on: August 16, 2019, 11:29:59 pm »
@Cyber Liberty

I am shocked you overlooked the most obvious reason this happens.

They can't sell the gun owners for a profit to buy new toys with or to fly to Hawaii for LEO conferences.

YET.

@sneakypete Joe reminded me about that a few posts downthread.
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Re: The Truly Insidious Nature of Red Flag Laws - KrisAnne Hall, JD
« Reply #509 on: August 18, 2019, 05:48:00 am »
I just know that my beloved Roy Moore got it right when asked about "red flag" laws... and he pointed out how dangerously they imposed on more than just the second amendment.

5 minute interview on the subject... and I dare you to point out any other candidate in state that nails it like Roy does.

Roy Moore Red Flag laws.mp3
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« Reply #510 on: August 18, 2019, 01:06:00 pm »
I just know that my beloved Roy Moore got it right when asked about "red flag" laws... and he pointed out how dangerously they imposed on more than just the second amendment.

5 minute interview on the subject... and I dare you to point out any other candidate in state that nails it like Roy does.

Roy Moore Red Flag laws.mp3
https://mab.to/Jnx51Za8Y

Butt But But Roy Moore is a true statesman and thus a danger to the "how do I get another slice of meat on MY sandwich" crowd currently inhabiting Washington DC.
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Re: The Truly Insidious Nature of Red Flag Laws - KrisAnne Hall, JD
« Reply #511 on: August 24, 2019, 10:37:08 am »
Red Flag Gun Laws: Connecticut Man's Firearms Seized Because His Son Shared A Meme On Facebook

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-23/red-flag-gun-laws-connecticut-mans-firearms-seized-because-his-son-shared-meme

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Re: The Truly Insidious Nature of Red Flag Laws - KrisAnne Hall, JD
« Reply #512 on: August 24, 2019, 01:21:46 pm »
Let's face facts, truth and reality here, folks.   If these red flag laws are enacted nationally, the radical left WILL be using this method to disarm any of us that they deem too "rightie" for their tastes.  And that will include all of us, probably.  All who dare to support Trump, that is.

They will have and develop a database and network (assuming they don't already have one) consisting of lists with the names and locations of any and all of their "opponents" that own guns.   It won't be hard to do, either, since most of us have mentioned our legally owned weapons on the internet at one time or another.   Wait for it...

they're coming for our guns.   Don't doubt it.  I sure as hell don't.

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Re: The Truly Insidious Nature of Red Flag Laws - KrisAnne Hall, JD
« Reply #513 on: August 24, 2019, 01:24:20 pm »
I just know that my beloved Roy Moore got it right when asked about "red flag" laws... and he pointed out how dangerously they imposed on more than just the second amendment.

5 minute interview on the subject... and I dare you to point out any other candidate in state that nails it like Roy does.

Roy Moore Red Flag laws.mp3
https://mab.to/Jnx51Za8Y

One thing that I have always noticed about the radical left.   The ones they attack and oppose the most viciously are the ones they are the most worried about as their opponents.  They wouldn't have even bothered with the bimbo eruption routine on Moore had he not 'worried them'.   
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Re: The Truly Insidious Nature of Red Flag Laws - KrisAnne Hall, JD
« Reply #514 on: August 24, 2019, 05:32:48 pm »
One thing that I have always noticed about the radical left.   The ones they attack and oppose the most viciously are the ones they are the most worried about as their opponents.  They wouldn't have even bothered with the bimbo eruption routine on Moore had he not 'worried them'.

Bingo!  @XenaLee

But IMHO your statement would be more correct if it said Washington establishment instead of liberal left.
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« Reply #515 on: August 24, 2019, 05:40:56 pm »
Bingo!  @XenaLee

But IMHO your statement would be more correct if it said Washington establishment instead of liberal left.

Well.... I consider the Washington establishment so-called right (I call them RINOs) to be part of the radical (liberal) left, since they so seldom, if ever, really stand up to and oppose the radical left.  Almost like they are in agreement with said "liberal left" most of the time.   :whistle:

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Re: The Truly Insidious Nature of Red Flag Laws - KrisAnne Hall, JD
« Reply #516 on: August 24, 2019, 05:42:29 pm »
Bingo!  @XenaLee

But IMHO your statement would be more correct if it said Washington establishment instead of liberal left.

A distinction without a difference!   333cleo 333cleo 333cleo :cool:
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« Reply #517 on: August 24, 2019, 05:46:19 pm »
A distinction without a difference!   333cleo 333cleo 333cleo :cool:

Perhaps that is true.  :shrug:
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« Reply #518 on: August 24, 2019, 09:48:04 pm »
Perhaps that is true.  :shrug:
More often than not, token opposition.
As the Bard said..."...full of sound and fury, signifying nothing...."
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Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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