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Re: The Truly Insidious Nature of Red Flag Laws - KrisAnne Hall, JD
« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2019, 04:49:44 pm »
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Because the way they are framed is designed as an appeal to emotions over common sense.  Ignore what you see and go with what you feel based off the emotional appeal we're presenting to you.

We are seeing far too much of that, @txradioguy.  Time for this nation (including the POTUS) to snap the hell out of it!!

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« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2019, 04:50:22 pm »
Because all of the knowledge and wisdom that our Founders insisted that we retain as a citizenry has long been flushed down the drain (deliberately!).

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Re: The Truly Insidious Nature of Red Flag Laws - KrisAnne Hall, JD
« Reply #27 on: August 12, 2019, 04:51:20 pm »
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« Reply #28 on: August 12, 2019, 04:52:32 pm »
We are seeing far too much of that, @txradioguy.  Time for this nation (including the POTUS) to snap the hell out of it!!

 **nononono*

I agree completely.  Emotional appeals have always worked on Liberals because almost all of their arguments are based on emotions and feelings rather than common sense and real outcomes.

The more we on the right go along with those kind of feel good huggybear types of BS...the more we'll give the left what they want until they have it all and we have nothing.
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« Reply #29 on: August 12, 2019, 04:52:56 pm »
@EdJames

This chick is TEA Party HAWT.

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Thank you!

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Re: The Truly Insidious Nature of Red Flag Laws - KrisAnne Hall, JD
« Reply #30 on: August 12, 2019, 04:54:12 pm »
I agree completely.  Emotional appeals have always worked on Liberals because almost all of their arguments are based on emotions and feelings rather than common sense and real outcomes.

The more we on the right go along with those kind of feel good huggybear types of BS...the more we'll give the left what they want until they have it all and we have nothing.

That is what they are running with full-force now...  it must be stopped. 

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« Reply #31 on: August 12, 2019, 04:55:00 pm »
Exactly.  Don't be a fool @Jazzhead to not understand that the very people promoting red flag laws are the liberals who want to take away gun rights and impose gun confiscation that WILL enable them to collapse this Republic.

 

David French and Andrew McCarthy are not "liberals who want to take away [your] gun rights".   Each supports red flag laws that are protective of gun owners' due process rights.   
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« Reply #32 on: August 12, 2019, 04:56:04 pm »
David French and Andrew McCarthy are not "liberals who want to take away [your] gun rights".   Each supports red flag laws that are protective of gun owners' due process rights.   

And, each are wrong on this issue.  We're all wrong sometimes.  This is their time.

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« Reply #33 on: August 12, 2019, 04:58:23 pm »
David French and Andrew McCarthy are not "liberals who want to take away [your] gun rights".   Each supports red flag laws that are protective of gun owners' due process rights.   

There's not a red flag law being suggested out there right now that can guarantee that.  If there is no legit psych eval before the guns are taken...if there isn't a chance to plead your case to a judge before your guns are taken away...then there is no protection to the gun owner under either the 4th or 5th Amendment.

And the only way any red flag law will every be effective is if there is a national registration data base.  Which is the real goal of these laws.
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« Reply #34 on: August 12, 2019, 04:58:38 pm »
And, each are wrong on this issue.  We're all wrong sometimes.  This is their time.

Feel free to disagree.    But they are conservatives,  and plenty of us support doing something about mass shootings.   
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« Reply #35 on: August 12, 2019, 05:00:11 pm »
David French and Andrew McCarthy are not "liberals who want to take away [your] gun rights".   Each supports red flag laws that are protective of gun owners' due process rights.   

I would likely support a red flag law that includes sufficient due process and the ability to appeal, but only if it removes the individual from society.  I will not support a red flag law that focus on removing the legal guns while free to choose any other method to kill and harm others.

If locking up or committing the individual to mental health treatment is too large a hurdle to cross, the standard should be no less for taking away constitutional rights.
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« Reply #36 on: August 12, 2019, 05:02:24 pm »
Feel free to disagree.    But they are conservatives,  and plenty of us support doing something about mass shootings.

Nothing you or any other gun grabbers have proposed would have stopped any of the mass shootings in the last 50 years.

Yet there you are...still insisting we need to do "something".

How about before you so gleefully decided that MY guns need to go...you work on having some psych hospitals built or reopened to take care of those with real mental issues and to house the criminally insane instead of pushing them out into society thinking they can be "normalized" with enough drugs and treatment.

Create more prison bed space to keep those that need to be locked up locked up.  Why is that option always off the table?

Why is the first land and forever answer for the liberal anti gun types like you to punish law abiding citizens and violate OUR constitutional rights?
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« Reply #37 on: August 12, 2019, 05:03:13 pm »
Uhoh... She is talking about principles...
Everybody run away!

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« Reply #38 on: August 12, 2019, 05:04:25 pm »
Feel free to disagree.    But they are conservatives,  and plenty of us support doing something about mass shootings.

Ok so lets say red flag laws are put in place at the national level.  If the cops come and seize someone's weapons at their house...how do you know you've gotten all of them?

What's to say they don't have some stashed somewhere else and can get them and continue to do whatever evil deed they were planning?

Oh wait...
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« Reply #39 on: August 12, 2019, 05:08:31 pm »
Uhoh... She is talking about principles...
Everybody run away!

She also opened by advising everyone to stop looking to politicians to secure our liberties, but assume the responsibility ourselves.


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« Reply #40 on: August 12, 2019, 05:11:38 pm »
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« Reply #41 on: August 12, 2019, 05:12:15 pm »
She also opened by advising everyone to stop looking to politicians to secure our liberties, but assume the responsibility ourselves.

And she is 100% correct! It has always been so and always will be so!
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

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« Reply #42 on: August 12, 2019, 05:13:33 pm »
She also opened by advising everyone to stop looking to politicians to secure our liberties, but assume the responsibility ourselves.

And that's right.

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« Reply #43 on: August 12, 2019, 05:14:32 pm »
And she is 100% correct! It has always been so and always will be so!

Yes she is. Stop expecting them to save us, and stop blaming them for everything that make us unhappy.

Its up to us.

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« Reply #44 on: August 12, 2019, 05:23:11 pm »
Feel free to disagree.    But they are conservatives,  and plenty of us support doing something about mass shootings.

What do you think of Hall's presentation?

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« Reply #45 on: August 12, 2019, 05:27:05 pm »
Man oh man was that a great argument!
Who can deny it?

Would that folks like her walked the halls of government!

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« Reply #46 on: August 12, 2019, 05:32:28 pm »
What do you think of Hall's presentation?

Don't hold your breath waiting.
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Re: The Truly Insidious Nature of Red Flag Laws - KrisAnne Hall, JD
« Reply #47 on: August 12, 2019, 05:38:16 pm »
I would likely support a red flag law that includes sufficient due process and the ability to appeal, but only if it removes the individual from society.  I will not support a red flag law that focus on removing the legal guns while free to choose any other method to kill and harm others.

If locking up or committing the individual to mental health treatment is too large a hurdle to cross, the standard should be no less for taking away constitutional rights.


I find it queer that this aspect is never discussed.  One may reasonably come to the conclusion that the proponents aren't focused on solving the problem of the mentally ill perpetrating violence on society, but rather an attack on RKBA.

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Re: The Truly Insidious Nature of Red Flag Laws - KrisAnne Hall, JD
« Reply #48 on: August 12, 2019, 05:39:05 pm »
She also opened by advising everyone to stop looking to politicians to secure our liberties, but assume the responsibility ourselves.

Such an important part of the overall message!!

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« Reply #49 on: August 12, 2019, 05:39:54 pm »
Feel free to disagree.    But they are conservatives,  and plenty of us support doing something about mass shootings.

ANYONE who suggests federal red flag laws is not conservative, by definition.