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Re: Hong Kong/Mainland China Crisis thread
« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2019, 02:05:27 PM »
Hong Kong then Taiwan.

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Re: Hong Kong/Mainland China Crisis thread
« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2019, 02:07:44 PM »
They can't be viewed as rational actors, they are Communist Red Chinese.

Exactly!

And if he doesn't put a stronger statement out soon...well the media is already writing their headlines about how Trump is more interested in a trade deal with China than trying to weigh in on the protests in Hong King.
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« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2019, 02:08:41 PM »
Hong Kong then Taiwan.

And that's where all those little illegal man made islands and the Red Chinese control of both ends of the Panama Canal come into play.
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Re: Hong Kong/Mainland China Crisis thread
« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2019, 02:11:42 PM »
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Re: Hong Kong/Mainland China Crisis thread
« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2019, 02:18:21 PM »
Exactly!

And if he doesn't put a stronger statement out soon...well the media is already writing their headlines about how Trump is more interested in a trade deal with China than trying to weigh in on the protests in Hong King.

Indeed.

As someone mentioned upthread, zero was roundly criticized for letting the Persian people in the streets hang out to dry....  will he be willing to do the same to people of Hong Kong, and potentially the Taiwanese?


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Re: Hong Kong/Mainland China Crisis thread
« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2019, 02:19:54 PM »
"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials." – George Mason, Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 1788

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Re: Hong Kong/Mainland China Crisis thread
« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2019, 02:22:16 PM »
Hong Kong then Taiwan.

WWIII coming right up?   
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Re: Hong Kong/Mainland China Crisis thread
« Reply #33 on: August 13, 2019, 02:28:18 PM »
WWIII coming right up?

If we do it's gonna be a slug fest that will make the island hopping campaign of WW II look like a cake walk.

And forget transferring the needed naval assets through the Panama Canal...the Chinese control both ends and you can expect it to be locked down tight.  Wouldn't surprise me if they trapped whatever ships we were trying to move through in that lake in between the Pacific and Atlantic locks.

Throw in the fact that China has now declared that 500 miles from their coastline is territorial waters (hence all the little man made reef islands)...yeah this will get ugly quick.
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Re: Hong Kong/Mainland China Crisis thread
« Reply #34 on: August 13, 2019, 02:30:19 PM »
WWIII coming right up?   
Good be a good thing.  Help the country get its priorities straight.

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« Reply #35 on: August 13, 2019, 02:31:57 PM »
Good be a good thing.  Help the country get its priorities straight.

I don't think so.  We've been helping them build their military up for 50 years now. 
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Re: Hong Kong/Mainland China Crisis thread
« Reply #36 on: August 13, 2019, 02:40:54 PM »
Good be a good thing.  Help the country get its priorities straight.

War is never, ever a "good thing".   Perhaps necessary, but never good.  JS....
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« Reply #37 on: August 13, 2019, 02:44:01 PM »
If we do it's gonna be a slug fest that will make the island hopping campaign of WW II look like a cake walk.

And forget transferring the needed naval assets through the Panama Canal...the Chinese control both ends and you can expect it to be locked down tight.  Wouldn't surprise me if they trapped whatever ships we were trying to move through in that lake in between the Pacific and Atlantic locks.

Throw in the fact that China has now declared that 500 miles from their coastline is territorial waters (hence all the little man made reef islands)...yeah this will get ugly quick.

I look around at what the left has made of America (fundamentally transformed us into) so far.... and I think of how much worse it will be if they get their way... and get to fulfill their agenda.... after having sold out America to our enemies (China, Iran, Muslime Brotherhood, etc.)....

and I envision multiple "Hells on Earth" simultaneously in the future.  Possibly the very near future.   And we can't stop it.  We can only delay the inevitable.

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« Reply #38 on: August 13, 2019, 02:47:36 PM »
I look around at what the left has made of America (fundamentally transformed us into) so far.... and I think of how much worse it will be if they get their way... and get to fulfill their agenda.... after having sold out America to our enemies (China, Iran, Muslime Brotherhood, etc.)....

and I envision multiple "Hells on Earth" simultaneously in the future.  Possibly the very near future.   And we can't stop it.  We can only delay the inevitable.

The old Chinese saying about "May you live in interesting times" certainly seems to be coming to fruition.
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« Reply #39 on: August 13, 2019, 02:49:04 PM »
The old Chinese saying about "May you live in interesting times" certainly seems to be coming to fruition.

Yeah, and right about now... I could sure enjoy some boredom (FARC-for a refreshing change).   :laugh:
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« Reply #40 on: August 13, 2019, 02:52:27 PM »
Yeah, and right about now... I could sure enjoy some boredom (FARC-for a refreshing change).   :laugh:

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Re: Hong Kong/Mainland China Crisis thread
« Reply #41 on: August 13, 2019, 03:09:23 PM »
If we do it's gonna be a slug fest that will make the island hopping campaign of WW II look like a cake walk.

And forget transferring the needed naval assets through the Panama Canal...the Chinese control both ends and you can expect it to be locked down tight.  Wouldn't surprise me if they trapped whatever ships we were trying to move through in that lake in between the Pacific and Atlantic locks.

Throw in the fact that China has now declared that 500 miles from their coastline is territorial waters (hence all the little man made reef islands)...yeah this will get ugly quick.





Yes, the Chinese have built the artificial islands to establish military bases within what they call the Nine Dash Line, based on historical claims. Bill Gertz has written quite a bit about the growing threat China has become, over the past 30 years. He may be off in his timeframe, but their goal is clear.


China’s Secret Military Plan: Invade Taiwan by 2020

https://freebeacon.com/national-security/chinas-secret-military-plan-invade-taiwan-2020/
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Re: Hong Kong/Mainland China Crisis thread
« Reply #42 on: August 13, 2019, 03:28:04 PM »

Donald J. Trump

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Our Intelligence has informed us that the Chinese Government is moving troops to the Border with Hong Kong. Everyone should be calm and safe!

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Donald J. Trump

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Many are blaming me, and the United States, for the problems going on in Hong Kong. I can’t imagine why?

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Re: Hong Kong/Mainland China Crisis thread
« Reply #43 on: August 13, 2019, 04:04:48 PM »
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    World Asia Hong Kong protests
Chinese state media blames CIA for violent Hong Kong protests
By Kirsty Needham
July 26, 2019 — 4.27pm

https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/chinese-state-media-blames-cia-for-violent-hong-kong-protests-20190726-p52b1x.html

Also, let's not forget this, I wasn't even looking for this in my news search but I do remember the story, as I'm sure others do:

May 2017:

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Killing C.I.A. Informants, China Crippled U.S. Spying Operations
By Mark Mazzetti, Adam Goldman, Michael S. Schmidt and Matt Apuzzo

WASHINGTON — The Chinese government systematically dismantled C.I.A. spying operations in the country starting in 2010, killing or imprisoning more than a dozen sources over two years and crippling intelligence gathering there for years afterward.

Current and former American officials described the intelligence breach as one of the worst in decades. It set off a scramble in Washington’s intelligence and law enforcement agencies to contain the fallout, but investigators were bitterly divided over the cause. Some were convinced that a mole within the C.I.A. had betrayed the United States. Others believed that the Chinese had hacked the covert system the C.I.A. used to communicate with its foreign sources. Years later, that debate remains unresolved.

But there was no disagreement about the damage. From the final weeks of 2010 through the end of 2012, according to former American officials, the Chinese killed at least a dozen of the C.I.A.’s sources. According to three of the officials, one was shot in front of his colleagues in the courtyard of a government building — a message to others who might have been working for the C.I.A.

Read more at: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/20/world/asia/china-cia-spies-espionage.html

Our CIA is active, all of the major countries, even players like Canada have spies.  Events in the Ukraine blamed the CIA or USA, it goes around. The Chinese spy on us inordinately. I even heard one Chinese say the CIA was active at Tiananmen Square back then. If so, I doubt much, they were even more closed back then.

But it happens.

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Re: Hong Kong/Mainland China Crisis thread
« Reply #44 on: August 13, 2019, 04:34:12 PM »
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Re: Hong Kong/Mainland China Crisis thread
« Reply #45 on: August 13, 2019, 04:36:59 PM »
Indeed.

As someone mentioned upthread, zero was roundly criticized for letting the Persian people in the streets hang out to dry....  will he be willing to do the same to people of Hong Kong, and potentially the Taiwanese?


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I, for one, am still throughly pissed off about that.

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Re: Hong Kong/Mainland China Crisis thread
« Reply #46 on: August 13, 2019, 04:41:36 PM »
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Re: Hong Kong/Mainland China Crisis thread
« Reply #47 on: August 13, 2019, 04:45:18 PM »
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"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials." – George Mason, Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 1788

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Re: Hong Kong/Mainland China Crisis thread
« Reply #48 on: August 13, 2019, 04:49:19 PM »
Drudge:

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RIOT POLICE STORM HKG
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BATTLE FOR FREEDOM!
TRUMP NEUTRAL

UK, from Farage in the OP to their Government do seem to be actively condemning this, I believe Canada did as well.

Looks like a "kinder and gentler crackdown" from Tiananmen, I will say, it looks like most are student aged protesters.

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Re: Hong Kong/Mainland China Crisis thread
« Reply #49 on: August 13, 2019, 04:55:29 PM »
If China's already amassing troops across the border from Hong Kong...then a reprise of the Tiananmen Square massacre is already in the planning stages.

Looks Trump could simply issue a strongly worded definitive statement supporting the protestors in Hong Kong and advice the mainland Chinese Government to show restraint to avoid a catastrophe.

Trump could get together some sort of alliance & issue a loud reminder of the promises the Chicoms made to the UK re: HK at the handover (and are currently violating) and the international prestige they are risking by their threats of violent resolution.


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