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« on: August 11, 2019, 10:23:12 PM »
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Nigel Farage at the CPAC Australia conference in Sydney, Australia, on Aug. 10, 2019. (The Epoch Times)

World Needs to Stand Strongly Behind Hong Kong Protesters, Nigel Farage Says
By Elizabeth Li
August 10, 2019 Updated: August 10, 2019

Protests in Hong Kong against Beijing’s encroachment have put the spotlight on the “very real issue” of how to deal with the Chinese regime, Nigel Farage, Leader of the U.K. Brexit Party, said on the second day of the Australian Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC).

The Chinese regime would be considering whether “they want another Tiananmen Square on their hands because that I think is what we’re talking about now,” Farage told The Epoch Times at CPAC in Sydney on Aug. 10.

Farage was referring to ongoing protests in Hong Kong over a proposed extradition bill, which, if passed, could see people being handed over to mainland China to face trial in its opaque legal system.

Read more at: https://www.theepochtimes.com/world-needs-to-stand-strongly-behind-hong-kong-protesters-nigel-farage-says_3037131.html

Who knew there was a CPAC Australia?? I certainly didn't but good.

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« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2019, 10:48:54 PM »
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Pro-democracy protesters throw back tear gas fired by the police during a demonstratrion against the controversial extradition bill in Sham Shui Po district in Hong Kong on Aug. 11, 2019. (Anthony Wallace/AFP/Getty Images)
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Hong Kong Police Fire Tear Gas in Subway Station as Protests Continue for Another Weekend
By Nicole Hao
August 11, 2019 Updated: August 11, 2019
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Hong Kong was rocked by mass demonstrations and clashes between protesters and police on Aug. 11, as protesters shifted tactics to flash mob-style encounters with police in the 10th straight weekend of unrest.

Demonstrators recently adopted a strategy of retreating when pressed by police, only to reemerge en masse at another location.

Police, in response, fired tear gas and charged with batons at protesters in several locations, from shopping boulevards to bar-lined streets, and also fired tear gas inside a train station. They have  accused protesters of throwing gasoline bombs.

The protests, which began more than two months ago in opposition to a bill allowing extradition to the mainland, has thrown the city into its most serious crisis in decades as its residents bristle against Beijing’s growing encroachment.

Read more at: https://www.theepochtimes.com/hong-kong-police-fire-tear-gas-into-subway-station-as-protests-continue-another-weekend_3037887.html

More coverage: https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/clashes-08112019105702.html

Coverage is so expansive, it's difficult to know where to begin.

Drudge making it #1 story here at 11 AM, Monday, Aug. 12th, 2019:



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I wonder when the ChiComs is going to send in the troops.
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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2019, 10:43:56 AM »
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China moving mainland military units into Hong Kong as airport totally closed down
By Thomas Lifson

And the regime has ended the three days of protests (video here) at Hong Kong International Airport by shutting down the facility, one of the biggest nodes in the world’s international air travel network. Low profile, this is not. And that is one huge problem for the tyrants.

At this very moment, President Trump is fighting a lonely battle with China over its massive theft of intellectual property, currency manipulation and trade barriers.  Beijing has been hoping that it could play off other advanced economies – currently noncombatants – against Trump, offering them the export markets that it would deny to the United States in retaliation for Trump’s tariffs and pressure. But if China brutally cracks down in Hong Kong as it did in Tiananmen 30 years ago, public pressure in Europe, Japan, South Korea, and Canada (among others) will make it difficult for their governments to side openly with China. The very last thing that Xi wants is a united front on trade. For almost two decades, China has enjoyed all the fruits of membership in the World Trade Organization without being held to account for its behavior that violates the agreement.

But the other party watching Hong Kong is even more important: The Chinese public. Almost nobody in China buys into the rhetoric of communism anymore. The Chinese Communist Party’s rule is accepted because it has been delivering a massive increase in prosperity and constructing the sorts of facilities that make people proud of their nation’s ascent. But now, that prosperity is faltering, making the ongoing discontent with authoritarianism and endemic, massive corruption harder to dismiss.

Read more at: https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/08/china_moving_mainland_military_units_into_hong_kong_as_airport_totally_closed_down.html

It's looking like we will have a severe crackdown, if so, we will sticky a thread to keep up with developments. Any suggestions for thread names, anyone want to have their thread as the update thread, etc. Fine!
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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2019, 11:12:37 AM »
Okay, looks like some heavy handed action could break at any time and there are plenty of sidestories going on,

Train station Hong Kong, water cannon used, so it is getting pretty serious.

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Hong Kong protests: Violence erupts in train stations

Violence erupted in at least two underground train stations in Hong Kong, as the city saw its 10th weekend of protests.

Local news outlets captured police shooting non-lethal ammunition at close range and tear gas.

Footage courtesy of Apple Daily and RTHK.

Video:https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-china-49317261/hong-kong-protests-violence-erupts-in-train-stations

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Hong Kong protests: Clashes as police fire tear gas into rail station

Police officers in Hong Kong stormed enclosed railway stations on Sunday, firing tear gas in an effort to force out protesters.

One video inside Tai Koo station showed officers firing what appeared to be non-lethal ammunition at close range.

It also showed several police beating people with batons on an escalator.
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Read more at:  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-49312752

South China Morning Post (SCMP.com )

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Beijing warns of ‘signs of terrorism’ in violent unrest in Hong Kong

    China’s top policy office on the city reiterates support for police, saying a ‘critical moment’ has been reached
    Hong Kong and Macau Affairs Office also vows to crack down on violent crime with ‘iron fist’


Sarah Zheng
Published: 4:45pm, 12 Aug, 2019

More at: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3022438/beijing-warns-signs-terrorism-violent-unrest-hong-kong

The latter, yes, probably being "state media" much more, I thought they've had some fairly honest reporting in the past...

Twitter, alleged "Hong Kong Free Press": https://twitter.com/HongKongFP

Any name changes to thread, suggestions welcomed.

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'An eye for an eye': sea of black at Hong Kong airport protest
Hong Kong (AFP)

The protesters streamed into Hong Kong airport and quickly transformed the arrivals hall at one of the world's busiest transport hubs into a sea of black.

Instead of being met by smiling relatives and friends, passengers arriving at the airport were greeted by thousands of pro-democracy activists chanting "fight with Hong Kong, fight for freedom!"

Most were dressed in the movement's trademark black clothing, some sporting construction hard hats or gas masks.

And many added a new accessory on Monday: eyepatches or bandages to pay tribute to a woman who suffered a serious face injury at a protest on Sunday night.

https://www.france24.com/en/20190812-an-eye-for-an-eye-sea-of-black-at-hong-kong-airport-protest

If one looks at some of the photos, I have seen demonstrators wearing "hard hats" out there. Now I see it mentioned.
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« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2019, 08:10:31 PM »
It really does look like bus loads of soldiers going to Shenzen, across the border from Hong Kong, don't like the looks of this:

https://twitter.com/AlexandreKrausz/status/1160947525442056193


More at:  https://twitter.com/AuroraIntel/status/1160916141918892032
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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2019, 08:25:56 PM »
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« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2019, 06:31:20 AM »
It really does look like bus loads of soldiers going to Shenzen, across the border from Hong Kong, don't like the looks of this:


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« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2019, 12:48:20 PM »
Riot police clash with protesters at Hong Kong airport

HONG KONG (AP) — Riot police clashed with pro-democracy protesters at Hong Kong's airport late Tuesday night, moving into the terminal where the demonstrators had shut down operations at the busy transport hub for two straight days.

Officers armed with pepper spray and batons confronted the protesters who used luggage carts to barricade entrances to the airport terminal.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/hong-kong-airport-struggles-reopen-013258820.html
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« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2019, 12:56:57 PM »
Why doesn't the President step up and say something in support of Hong Kong?  I mean for goodness sakes the protesters are waiving around the most recognizable sign of freedom in the world at their protests...the American Flag!
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« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2019, 12:57:01 PM »
I don't see any way this turns out well.
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« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2019, 01:01:58 PM »
Why doesn't the President step up and say something in support of Hong Kong?  I mean for goodness sakes the protesters are waiving around the most recognizable sign of freedom in the world at their protests...the American Flag!


“Trump is telling [Chinese President] Xi Jinping very clearly: ‘Do whatever you want in Hong Kong. All I care about is a trade deal,’” argued Michael Fuchs, a former State Department official in the Obama administration. What Trump aides say means “nothing when the president is making his own position very clear again and again and again.”

Trump’s defenders argue his comments are either misinterpreted or not considered in full.

His supporters point out that Trump, when asked about Hong Kong in early July, said the protesters are “looking for democracy. And I think most people want democracy.”

But Trump later drew flak for saying Xi had “acted responsibly” in handling the protests, for calling the demonstrations “riots” and for saying the issue is “between Hong Kong and China.” While Trump’s supporters said the president was trying to praise Xi for not yet cracking down on the protesters, while also implying the movement won’t succeed if it turns violent, China’s state-run media hyped up his description of the Hong Kong protests as “riots.”


https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/08/trump-china-hong-kong-protests-1452624


Fuchs is probably correct in his assessment. However, it cannot be overlooked how the Obama administration left Iranian protestors hanging in 2011-12.
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« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2019, 01:04:52 PM »
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Fuchs is probably correct in his assessment. However, it cannot be overlooked how the Obama administration left Iranian protestors hanging in 2011-12.

And we were outraged about that as we should have been.  We have an opportunity to be better than Obama when it comes to standing up for and supporting freedom loving people around the world.  As the leader of the free world this is where Trump needs to step in and be his most Presidential...doesn't look like it's gonna happen though.
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« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2019, 01:20:03 PM »
And we were outraged about that as we should have been.  We have an opportunity to be better than Obama when it comes to standing up for and supporting freedom loving people around the world.  As the leader of the free world this is where Trump needs to step in and be his most Presidential...doesn't look like it's gonna happen though.


It’s not terribly shocking, when he expresses admiration for autocrats like Putin, Xi, and Kim.  Meanwhile, he mocked Moon at his fundraiser, picked ‘dandruff’ off Macron, and asked Trudeau if Canadians burned down the White House.    :shrug:
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« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2019, 01:32:55 PM »
And we were outraged about that as we should have been.  We have an opportunity to be better than Obama when it comes to standing up for and supporting freedom loving people around the world.  As the leader of the free world this is where Trump needs to step in and be his most Presidential...doesn't look like it's gonna happen though.
Did the U.S. president greenlight a potential Chinese crackdown in Hong Kong?
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There are growing signs that something truly horrific is about to happen in Hong Kong. President Trump has essentially given China’s rulers a green light to crush the pro-democracy protests. His flippant remarks could have grave consequences . . .

. . . “I don’t know what China’s attitude is,” he mused disingenuously. “Somebody said that at some point they’re going to want to stop that.” This would have been a good place for him to urge restraint by Beijing, to defend the people’s right to protest peacefully, to say the United States is watching closely.

Instead, he washed his hands: “But that’s between Hong Kong and that’s between China, because Hong Kong is a part of China,” he declared — a comment that dismisses Hong Kong’s autonomy, solemnly guaranteed by Beijing years ago. Then he made it clear that the United States will have nothing to say: “They [China] have to deal with that themselves. They don’t need advice."

Trump has thoroughly relinquished any claim to moral authority by the United States. At a time when hundreds of thousands of Hong Kongers have been courageously taking to the streets to assert their rights, the demonstrative disinterest of the president of the United States is scandalous — and dangerous. . .
President Tweety is too busy slapping China with tariffs that tax and hurt American buyers (businesses and consumers alike) far more than they'll ever hurt Beijing.
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« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2019, 01:38:53 PM »
I've wondered for some time if the Red Chinese were behind the scenes instigating this....

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Did the U.S. president greenlight a potential Chinese crackdown in Hong Kong?
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President Tweety is too busy slapping China with tariffs that tax and hurt American buyers (businesses and consumers alike) far more than they'll ever hurt Beijing.

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« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2019, 01:46:41 PM »
The Epoch Times truly represents Chinese in Exile, mainly the Falun Gong, I'm going to be scouring their webpages to see if they are finding problems with Trump's approach, after all, Fuchs per the article, was in the State dept. under Obama.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/c-china

Let's see if anyone else says things like Fuchs, I did read the article and they spoke about a few things like "this is between China and HK", Trump needs to step it up if he has said things like this.

It does seem Farage, per post #1 was apt in criticizing China, Trump needs to get it together if the criticism is warranted. Good article, perhaps Trump has been weak in this alrighty.

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« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2019, 01:46:54 PM »
I've wondered for some time if the Red Chinese were behind the scenes instigating this....


Well, the protesters seem to have legitimate concerns about the agreement between Hong Kong and China, regarding extradition.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/why-is-hong-kongs-china-extradition-plan-so-controversial/ar-AACES4D
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« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2019, 01:52:00 PM »
The Epoch Times truly represents Chinese in Exile, mainly the Falun Gong, I'm going to be scouring their webpages to see if they are finding problems with Trump's approach, after all, Fuchs per the article, was in the State dept. under Obama.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/c-china

Let's see if anyone else says things like Fuchs, I did read the article and they spoke about a few things like "this is between China and HK", Trump needs to step it up if he has said things like this.

It does seem Farage, per post #1 was apt in criticizing China, Trump needs to get it together if the criticism is warranted. Good article, perhaps Trump has been weak in this alrighty.

Here's all you need to know about Trump's approach:

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President Trump: "The Hong Kong thing is a very tough situation, very tough. We'll what see what happens. But I'm sure it'll work out. I hope it works out for everybody, including China, by the way."

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2019/08/13/donald-trumps-assessment-of-the-hong-kong-thing-leaves-some-things-to-be-desired-video/?spot_im_reply_id=sp_y8MrBHv4_1017229_c_Uh8pDx_r_iNMXkt&spot_im_highlight_immediate=true


Not very Presidential and not very reassuring to those protesters in Hong Kong waiving American flags.
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« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2019, 01:54:43 PM »

Well, the protesters seem to have legitimate concerns about the agreement between Hong Kong and China, regarding extradition.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/why-is-hong-kongs-china-extradition-plan-so-controversial/ar-AACES4D

Yes, that seemed to be what germinated it organically, but IIRC they pulled that bill of the table a few weeks in....  rather than dissipating, it seemed to me that the protests ramped up....

Not saying that there areN'T legitimate issues, but it just seems a bit odd to me that this has become as inflamed as it has to this point....

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« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2019, 01:58:26 PM »
Why doesn't the President step up and say something in support of Hong Kong?  I mean for goodness sakes the protesters are waiving around the most recognizable sign of freedom in the world at their protests...the American Flag!

Any overt show of support for the protestors will be seen as a direct provocation and will likely make a reprise of the Tiananmen Square atrocity even more likely. And there won't be a thing we can do about it.

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« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2019, 01:59:33 PM »
Any overt show of support for the protestors will be seen as a direct provocation and will likely make a reprise of the Tiananmen Square atrocity even more likely. And there won't be a thing we can do about it.

Exactly, it's a very tricky situation.
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« Reply #23 on: August 13, 2019, 02:03:23 PM »
Any overt show of support for the protestors will be seen as a direct provocation and will likely make a reprise of the Tiananmen Square atrocity even more likely. And there won't be a thing we can do about it.

If China's already amassing troops across the border from Hong Kong...then a reprise of the Tiananmen Square massacre is already in the planning stages.

Looks Trump could simply issue a strongly worded definitive statement supporting the protestors in Hong Kong and advice the mainland Chinese Government to show restraint to avoid a catastrophe. 
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« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2019, 02:03:52 PM »
They can't be viewed as rational actors, they are Communist Red Chinese.


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