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Re: Trump Backs 'Red Flag' Laws That Could Impact Veteran Gun Ownership
« Reply #175 on: August 18, 2019, 03:55:35 pm »
I'm willing to bet that...outside of the deep blue Liberal big cities...you'd be hard pressed to find a County or City law enforcement agency willing to show up in a Cougar 6x6 MRAP (that's the military designation for that vehicle)like that to take guns from either you or me.

The optics of doing so would be incredibly bad, because videos of LEOs using that beast to collect guns would probably spark a real shooting war that will cause cops to not go home safe after the watch.
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Re: Trump Backs 'Red Flag' Laws That Could Impact Veteran Gun Ownership
« Reply #176 on: August 18, 2019, 03:58:41 pm »
The optics of doing so would be incredibly bad, because videos of LEOs using that beast to collect guns would probably spark a real shooting war that will cause cops to not go home safe after the watch.

I agree.  That's a Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicle.  Rode in them many times when I was outside the wire in Afghanistan.  It's a light armored personnel carrier.  The optics of that rolling up in a neighborhood and cops jumping out the back merely to take someones guns because of an unconstitutional law would turn millions into gun owners and/or advocates overnight.
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Re: Trump Backs 'Red Flag' Laws That Could Impact Veteran Gun Ownership
« Reply #177 on: August 19, 2019, 07:51:27 pm »
I'm willing to bet that...outside of the deep blue Liberal big cities...you'd be hard pressed to find a County or City law enforcement agency willing to show up in a Cougar 6x6 MRAP (that's the military designation for that vehicle)like that to take guns from either you or me.
Well, I'm betting on that to a point, but when the US Military decided to give some of them to LEOs, a lot of good ol' boy Departments were more than willing to take one (or more) off their hands. "Tactical rescue vehicle".
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Re: Trump Backs 'Red Flag' Laws That Could Impact Veteran Gun Ownership
« Reply #178 on: August 19, 2019, 07:58:32 pm »
The optics of doing so would be incredibly bad, because videos of LEOs using that beast to collect guns would probably spark a real shooting war that will cause cops to not go home safe after the watch.
By some scenarios, then the National Guard will be deployed, and not on their home turf. Then people (including Guard Members) start taking sides over unlawful orders, and the whole deal goes south as the ivory tower folks call for Martial Law and suspend Posse Comitatus (which "...restricts the armed forces from acting “as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws,” except “in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress.")

In any scenario in which the widespread and universal confiscation of private firearms is decreed, I really don't think Congress would have any trouble expressly authorizing the use of whatever force was "necessary".  They'd already have made packing material out of the Constitution.

The bottom line question is one of how many would follow that unlawful order.
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Re: Trump Backs 'Red Flag' Laws That Could Impact Veteran Gun Ownership
« Reply #179 on: August 19, 2019, 08:08:49 pm »
The bottom line question is one of how many would follow that unlawful order.

I think you'd be surprised how many wouldn't.

Which is why Obama was trying to create a civilian paramilitary force equivalent to the Military.

He knew we wouldn't follow unlawful orders so he had to create a backup plan.
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Re: Trump Backs 'Red Flag' Laws That Could Impact Veteran Gun Ownership
« Reply #180 on: August 19, 2019, 08:20:02 pm »
I think you'd be surprised how many wouldn't.

Which is why Obama was trying to create a civilian paramilitary force equivalent to the Military.

He knew we wouldn't follow unlawful orders so he had to create a backup plan.
I would be happy to be surprised in that regard. In many ways, we depend heavily on the NCOs there who are motivated more by patriotism than politics, and are where the rubber meets the road.

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