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Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
« Reply #50 on: August 07, 2019, 10:46:11 PM »
Either they never were Conservative, or they have succumbed to the howling of the press advocating the destruction of our republic.

I dunno. What I do know is that there is a vast difference. And that people don't seem to believe me when I say I can see no difference between that type and Democrats. I really do mean it...
And this issue highlights that difference perfectly.

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I seriously offer prayers for and condolences to the victims and survivors of these incidents, but I'm not willing to let our rights be washed away with their blood, and if any of them had been in the US military, or otherwise sworn to protect and defend the Constitution of the US I doubt the victims would be either.

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Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
« Reply #51 on: August 07, 2019, 11:08:08 PM »
Then why is my North Dakota Concealed Weapons permit not recognized in New York?

Setting aside the question of why having to get a permit does not violate "shall not be infringed" in the first place, because it's a permit to carry in ND issued by ND, just like my FL fishing license is for fishing in FL.  A marriage, or a "marriage", is a compact between (at least for now) two (at least for now) people, validated by the state, and that validation crosses state borders.  A permit to carry or fish is between the state and a citizen.   

The question I would ask is why my drivers license is accepted in, or can be revoked by, all other states -- unless there's some legislation I'm not aware of that says so.
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Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
« Reply #52 on: August 08, 2019, 12:48:39 AM »
Setting aside the question of why having to get a permit does not violate "shall not be infringed" in the first place, because it's a permit to carry in ND issued by ND, just like my FL fishing license is for fishing in FL.  A marriage, or a "marriage", is a compact between (at least for now) two (at least for now) people, validated by the state, and that validation crosses state borders.  A permit to carry or fish is between the state and a citizen.   

The question I would ask is why my drivers license is accepted in, or can be revoked by, all other states -- unless there's some legislation I'm not aware of that says so.
Phooey. A license is a license is a license. I'm not talking about hunting or fishing, nor taking anything from New York but my healthy and unmolested self, with the property that is mine, of course.

If I am licensed to carry concealed weapons (yes, plural, mine is not limited to a firearm but a long list of dangerous weapons as well), that indicates that I have been subjected to a State and Federal Background check, and received approval to carry deadly weapons on my person from people who actually know me.

In other words, Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. only applies sometimes, when judges find it convenient.

Where does that leave the rest of the Constitution?
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Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
« Reply #53 on: August 08, 2019, 04:25:00 AM »
Phooey. A license is a license is a license. I'm not talking about hunting or fishing, nor taking anything from New York but my healthy and unmolested self, with the property that is mine, of course.

If I am licensed to carry concealed weapons (yes, plural, mine is not limited to a firearm but a long list of dangerous weapons as well), that indicates that I have been subjected to a State and Federal Background check, and received approval to carry deadly weapons on my person from people who actually know me.

In other words, Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. only applies sometimes, when judges find it convenient.

Where does that leave the rest of the Constitution?
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Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
« Reply #54 on: August 08, 2019, 04:52:02 AM »
Phooey. A license is a license is a license. I'm not talking about hunting or fishing, nor taking anything from New York but my healthy and unmolested self, with the property that is mine, of course.

If I am licensed to carry concealed weapons (yes, plural, mine is not limited to a firearm but a long list of dangerous weapons as well), that indicates that I have been subjected to a State and Federal Background check, and received approval to carry deadly weapons on my person from people who actually know me.

In other words, Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. only applies sometimes, when judges find it convenient.

Where does that leave the rest of the Constitution?

You want a CCW to transfer across state lines, but not a "marriage" license?

A license is a license is a license

I believe in an originalist reading of our Constitution, even when I don't like the results.
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Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
« Reply #55 on: August 08, 2019, 05:00:20 AM »
You want a CCW to transfer across state lines, but not a "marriage" license?

A license is a license is a license

I believe in an originalist reading of our Constitution, even when I don't like the results.
My point is that some licenses seem to be more equal than others. If my CCW isn't good, then their cohabitation license shouldn't be either. Marriage (Holy Matrimony) should be the provenance of the Church, imho, and government never should have intruded there. YMMV.
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« Reply #56 on: August 08, 2019, 08:10:16 AM »
Then why is my North Dakota Concealed Weapons permit not recognized in New York?
Because all of the Dimmies running NYS are a bunch of corrupt lying sacs of cat Poop.
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« Reply #57 on: August 08, 2019, 10:42:13 AM »
That's right.

That there are people here, supposedly conservative people, advocating for red flag laws and real capitulation on R2KBA should tell you something too.
Initially I thought they might not be too bad, then I saw how they could be abused, much like SWATTING.
Things like this can be used to easily modified and abused to inflict damage to "political" enemies.
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« Reply #58 on: August 08, 2019, 10:45:49 AM »
Setting aside the question of why having to get a permit does not violate "shall not be infringed" in the first place, because it's a permit to carry in ND issued by ND, just like my FL fishing license is for fishing in FL.  A marriage, or a "marriage", is a compact between (at least for now) two (at least for now) people, validated by the state, and that validation crosses state borders.  A permit to carry or fish is between the state and a citizen.   

The question I would ask is why my drivers license is accepted in, or can be revoked by, all other states -- unless there's some legislation I'm not aware of that says so.
Personally I am opposed to states being involved in marriage at all. It should be up to a couple choice of a house of worship, or they can enter into a legally binding contract if they don't want a religious ceremony.
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Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
« Reply #59 on: August 08, 2019, 10:49:14 AM »
Initially I thought they might not be too bad, then I saw how they could be abused, much like SWATTING.
Things like this can be used to easily modified and abused to inflict damage to "political" enemies.

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Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
« Reply #60 on: August 08, 2019, 11:21:17 AM »
Personally I am opposed to states being involved in marriage at all. It should be up to a couple choice of a house of worship, or they can enter into a legally binding contract if they don't want a religious ceremony.

I've talked to pastors who don't like being an "agent of the state" when it comes to marriage.
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« Reply #61 on: August 08, 2019, 12:06:40 PM »

Phooey. A license is a license is a license.


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I agree. My "license" is the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution. A license so important to the Founding Fathers it was Number 2 on their "To do List".
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« Reply #62 on: August 08, 2019, 12:09:25 PM »
I've talked to pastors who don't like being an "agent of the state" when it comes to marriage.

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I am betting they all like it when they think about how much money they can put in their pockets at the end of the year because they are tax exempt.
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« Reply #63 on: August 08, 2019, 01:18:12 PM »
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I am betting they all like it when they think about how much money they can put in their pockets at the end of the year because they are tax exempt.
You want to bet that judges don't put that honorarium in their pockets without bothering to claim it?
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(They don't pay taxes on their building, either.)
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Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
« Reply #64 on: August 08, 2019, 01:45:24 PM »
@thackney

I am betting they all like it when they think about how much money they can put in their pockets at the end of the year because they are tax exempt.

Pastors pay taxes.  The church turns in W2 for them.  The tax exempt is only for the church, which is non-profit. 
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« Reply #65 on: August 08, 2019, 01:49:35 PM »
Pastors pay taxes.  The church turns in W2 for them.  The tax exempt is only for the church, which is non-profit.

Yabbut, taxes pay the judges and for the building. If you don't like that church, you don't have to chip in.
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Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
« Reply #66 on: August 08, 2019, 01:51:38 PM »
Eternal Vigilance is the price of Liberty.

Complacency when "our guys" are in power has proven to be a mistake.
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« Reply #67 on: August 08, 2019, 02:00:02 PM »
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There hasn't been a Principled Conservative in the WH since
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and likely never will be again !!!
We have changed dramatically as a people and for the worse.
Cold, hard reality which only the delusional ignore!
No argument here.
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Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
« Reply #68 on: August 08, 2019, 02:01:56 PM »
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There hasn't been a Principled Conservative in the WH since
the era of Jefferson, Madison and Monroe, two centuries ago
and likely never will be again !!!
We have changed dramatically as a people and for the worse.
Cold, hard reality which only the delusional ignore!

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I beg to differ!  IF you had said since Calvin Coolidge you would have been more correct.

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Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
« Reply #69 on: August 08, 2019, 02:08:07 PM »
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There hasn't been a Principled Conservative in the WH since
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and likely never will be again !!!
We have changed dramatically as a people and for the worse.
Cold, hard reality which only the delusional ignore!

So, adapt to the times.   Work with allies to make sure needed laws are less intrusive and respect your rights. 
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Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
« Reply #70 on: August 08, 2019, 02:10:49 PM »
So, adapt to the times.   Work with allies to make sure needed laws are less intrusive and respect your rights.
What allies?

Anyone who proposes to infringe upon my Rights is no ally.
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Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
« Reply #71 on: August 08, 2019, 02:59:55 PM »
@Absalom
I beg to differ!  IF you had said since Calvin Coolidge you would have been more correct.
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Repeating, all are entitled to their opinions which I completely reject.
The GOP emerged in 1856 w/Fremont from California.
From it's very first days it had absolutely nothing to do w/Conservatism.
It was a political entity of the Northern Mercantile Class opposed to slavery.
It's early pillars, continuing all through its ascendancy from Lincoln to Hoover;
when it dominated the Presidency, Congress and SCOTUS appointments, were:
* opposition to States Rights and advocacy of Centralized Government.
* strong support for trade Protectionism and rejection of Free Trade.
* Judicial advocacy in support of executive and legislative actions.
* Corporate taxation to replace duties, excises and tariffs.
Our only honorable conservative party was the Agrarian and Rural Democrats
of Rutledge, Henry, Lee, Madison among others; fatally tarred by slavery which
sadly led to it's demise.
Add to that, a handful from the Federalist Party, and that constitutes the
sum total of the conservative presence in our political history.




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Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
« Reply #72 on: August 08, 2019, 03:15:29 PM »
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Repeating, all are entitled to their opinions which I completely reject.
The GOP emerged in 1856 w/Fremont from California.
From it's very first days it had absolutely nothing to do w/Conservatism.
It was a political entity of the Northern Mercantile Class opposed to slavery.
It's early pillars, continuing all through its ascendancy from Lincoln to Hoover;
when it dominated the Presidency, Congress and SCOTUS appointments, were:
* opposition to States Rights and advocacy of Centralized Government.
* strong support for trade Protectionism and rejection of Free Trade.
* Judicial advocacy in support of executive and legislative actions.
* Corporate taxation to replace duties, excises and tariffs.
Our only honorable conservative party was the Agrarian and Rural Democrats
of Rutledge, Henry, Lee, Madison among others; fatally tarred by slavery which
sadly led to it's demise.
Add to that, a handful from the Federalist Party, and that constitutes the
sum total of the conservative presence in our political history.

I totally agree with almost all of that but that does not change the fact that Calvin Coolidge was, in fact, a conservative.

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Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
« Reply #73 on: August 08, 2019, 03:54:12 PM »
I totally agree with almost all of that but that does not change the fact that Calvin Coolidge was, in fact, a conservative.
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Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
« Reply #74 on: August 08, 2019, 04:06:47 PM »
The question is what will you do when they take away that right by fiat.





I’ll laugh, while they try to stuff everything of mine into that clown car, then shoot the tires out with an airgun.
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