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Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2019, 05:26:21 PM »
Sage advice.   But it won't be taken.   

I think conservatives have a death wish.  So be it.   I have no confidence whatsoever that the GOP will prevail next year;  indeed,  I believe we will lose both the Presidency and Congress.  And with it, the courts and the Second Amendment.    There's nothing to be done.   Folks won't listen, folks are incapable of thinking tactically.

You've been so tragically wrong on so many things here before...I feel safe in saying you can add this to the list of failed predictions you've made.
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Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
« Reply #26 on: August 07, 2019, 05:34:27 PM »
"Background checks like we never had before" should worry all of us gun owners who have passed the current background checks. What next, a list of medicines you take, tagging occupations subject to PTSD?
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Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
« Reply #27 on: August 07, 2019, 05:43:23 PM »
"Background checks like we never had before" should worry all of us gun owners who have passed the current background checks. What next, a list of medicines you take, tagging occupations subject to PTSD?

@NavyCanDo what's next will be whatever the anti-gun folks decide constitutes the need of a Red Flag ERPO. 

And that list will grow and grow and grow.
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Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
« Reply #28 on: August 07, 2019, 05:47:00 PM »
Well in the 2nd page, and no Trump fans chiming in.....

Imagine that.......
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Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
« Reply #29 on: August 07, 2019, 05:56:41 PM »
Exactly.
The Dayton killer was so clearly dangerous, but NOTHING was done about it.
He even got reinstated in school after he had rape/kill/skin them lists.
How exactly is red flagging or anything else going to stop a maniac like that guy?
More laws won’t stop any of this horror.
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Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
« Reply #30 on: August 07, 2019, 06:11:33 PM »
But you won't support red flag laws either, which are specifically focused on a very small subset of gun owners.   For every proposal,  the reaction of the gun extremists is "no".

There's no truer cliché than the perfect being the enemy of the good.   As things stand,  extremist intransigence has the potential to lead to a backlash that will propel a Democrat to the White House and a SCOTUS majority that will overturn Heller.

Kudos to President Trump for bucking the extremists and listening to the larger community - including the community of responsible gun owners.     

Calling those who simply have concerns and disagreements “extremist”
seems very intellectually flabby

 I have read some of the concerns people have over the  red flag laws and I consider them legitimate

I will withhold judgment until something is proposed and I can read it for myself, of course.  But bureaucrats are not enlightened beings that come from far away planets with the desire only to serve their fellow man. They are people with drives, ambitions, and agendas just like everybody else.
 The potential for not only abuses  but to create a whole set of new problems is real
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Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
« Reply #31 on: August 07, 2019, 06:16:02 PM »
"Background checks like we never had before" should worry all of us gun owners who have passed the current background checks. What next, a list of medicines you take, tagging occupations subject to PTSD?
That's exactly what it means. As I commented on Twitter, for many with chronic pain, it's almost impossible to get to sleep at night, so doctors frequently prescribe a mild anti-depressant. OMG, you're taking anti-depressants, you must be mentally unbalanced, suicidal and possibly homicidal!! Turn over your guns!!
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Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
« Reply #32 on: August 07, 2019, 06:26:33 PM »
catfish wrote:
"Well in the 2nd page, and no Trump fans chiming in....."

I'm a Trump fan, and I'll chime in.

What to do about shootings like those in El Paso and Dayton??

Nothing.
That's right... nothing.

When they happen, all there is to do is:
- Pray for the dead and give them respectful burial;
- Care for the wounded as best we can;
- Prosecute the shooter if still alive to the fullest extent possible (doesn't mean much, because they usually end up dead as well).
- And then... thank God and our founders for the freedoms we have, but...
- Realize that those freedoms "come with a grim cost and burden" as well -- that every now and then, we will have to "pay the price for them", in blood.
And then...
- Ring up the "cash register" and get on with life.

That's it, folks.
Short of giving up our Second Amendment rights (after which the rights and freedoms of the First Amendment may soon follow), there's not much more to be done.

We either accept "the price" for our freedoms,
or
We lose them.

I've made "my choice".
What's yours...?

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Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
« Reply #33 on: August 07, 2019, 06:31:51 PM »
@Fishrrman
Excellent comment

But ultimately that’s not the question...

The question is what will you do when they take away that right by fiat.

That is the question

What choice will you make then?
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Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
« Reply #34 on: August 07, 2019, 06:38:20 PM »
axeslinger asks:
"The question is what will you do when they take away that right by fiat.
That is the question
What choice will you make then?"


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Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
« Reply #35 on: August 07, 2019, 06:38:49 PM »
Well in the 2nd page, and no Trump fans chiming in.....

Imagine that.......

They are waiting for the latest official reason (excuse) for why Trump has once again betrayed them (or is about to). 

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Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
« Reply #36 on: August 07, 2019, 06:42:01 PM »


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Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
« Reply #37 on: August 07, 2019, 09:49:23 PM »
Dear all:  if you cannot come up with some creative way of reducing gun violence; if your only response continues to be denial, then you will end up with the Second Amendment being repealed and all privately owned guns being seized by the federal government, through house-by-house search most likely, because one sure way to drastically reduce gun violence is to make sure there are no privately owned guns any more. 

If that is the result you want, so be it.  But you cannot day you weren’t warned.

This is just like the gay marriage issue, where conservatives simply denied, denied, denied, and refused to give any recognition whatsoever to gay couples; end result?  Gay marriage as such is now enshrined in the Constitution.

Now flame away.  It really doesn’t bother me in the least.
Where in the Constitution is gay marriage enshrined? I didn't see it in my copy anywhere.

As for coming and getting them, I can only say that will be the end of the Republic.

Keep in mind the people pushing for the big Race War (they just have not been able to get) see this as the way to create universal bloodshed in the US. They see that (as all crises, real or trumped up) as opportunity.
There are 80,000,000 American gun owners. if even 1 in 100 (for people who have trouble with percentages, that's 1%), some 800,000 Americans, resist in a meaningful way, there will be a real slaughter, not a body count smaller than medical mistakes or car wrecks on any given day, or even whackos shooting up areas where people are told they can't carry the means of defending themselves..
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Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
« Reply #38 on: August 07, 2019, 09:53:07 PM »
catfish wrote:
"Well in the 2nd page, and no Trump fans chiming in....."

I'm a Trump fan, and I'll chime in.

What to do about shootings like those in El Paso and Dayton??

Nothing.
That's right... nothing.

When they happen, all there is to do is:
- Pray for the dead and give them respectful burial;
- Care for the wounded as best we can;
- Prosecute the shooter if still alive to the fullest extent possible (doesn't mean much, because they usually end up dead as well).
- And then... thank God and our founders for the freedoms we have, but...
- Realize that those freedoms "come with a grim cost and burden" as well -- that every now and then, we will have to "pay the price for them", in blood.
And then...
- Ring up the "cash register" and get on with life.

That's it, folks.
Short of giving up our Second Amendment rights (after which the rights and freedoms of the First Amendment may soon follow), there's not much more to be done.

We either accept "the price" for our freedoms,
or
We lose them.

I've made "my choice".
What's yours...?

Consider the millions of Americans who have given up their lives in defense of the Constituion and our Rights, and weigh their sacrifice against the number of people killed in the current incidents.

Will we ignore the sacrifices of millions over an emotional reaction to the unfortunate deaths of a relative handful?
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Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
« Reply #39 on: August 07, 2019, 09:55:39 PM »
Dear all:  if you cannot come up with some creative way of reducing gun violence; if your only response continues to be denial, then you will end up with the Second Amendment being repealed and all privately owned guns being seized by the federal government, through house-by-house search most likely, because one sure way to drastically reduce gun violence is to make sure there are no privately owned guns any more. 

NOTHING will protect gun-free zones in liberal cities. NOTHING.
They don't have a gun problem. They have a strategic defense problem of the highest order, compounded by fantastical thinking.
And that is their own fault.


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Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
« Reply #40 on: August 07, 2019, 10:01:27 PM »
Where in the Constitution is gay marriage enshrined? I didn't see it in my copy anywhere.

As for coming and getting them, I can only say that will be the end of the Republic.

Keep in mind the people pushing for the big Race War (they just have not been able to get) see this as the way to create universal bloodshed in the US. They see that (as all crises, real or trumped up) as opportunity.
There are 80,000,000 American gun owners. if even 1 in 100 (for people who have trouble with percentages, that's 1%), some 800,000 Americans, resist in a meaningful way, there will be a real slaughter, not a body count smaller than medical mistakes or car wrecks on any given day, or even whackos shooting up areas where people are told they can't carry the means of defending themselves..

Unfortunately, Art IV, Sect 1

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Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
« Reply #41 on: August 07, 2019, 10:02:04 PM »
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But you won't support red flag laws either, which are specifically focused on a very small subset of gun owners.   For every proposal,  the reaction of the gun extremists is "no".

@Jazzhead

Ok,Bubba.You know so much about all this stuff,how about tell us how many guns you have,and what you had to do to buy and possess them?

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There's no truer cliché than the perfect being the enemy of the good.

Sure there is. It is "The scariest words you will ever hear someone say are "I am from the government and I am here to help you."

 
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As things stand,  extremist intransigence has the potential to lead to a backlash that will propel a Democrat to the White House and a SCOTUS majority that will overturn Heller.

Which would cause you to have a spontaneous orgasm.

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Kudos to President Trump for bucking the extremists and listening to the larger community - including the community of responsible gun owners.   



If he agrees with you on gun laws,he will lost MY vote.

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Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
« Reply #42 on: August 07, 2019, 10:07:21 PM »
And who exactly determines who is crazy or not?  And how do we know their definition is correct or unbiased?   


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Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
« Reply #43 on: August 07, 2019, 10:09:51 PM »
Unfortunately, Art IV, Sect 1

Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State.
Then why is my North Dakota Concealed Weapons permit not recognized in New York?
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Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
« Reply #44 on: August 07, 2019, 10:10:40 PM »
You're gonna find out that those 'extremists' are pretty well everybody in every red state, all the way across flyover country.

Bad move.
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How about a president that will show his support for us?

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Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
« Reply #45 on: August 07, 2019, 10:15:29 PM »
@roamer_1

No kidding. WHY the hell should any of us vote for him in 2020 if all we are going to get is more of the same,with the Party People telling us we "have to show our support for the president.

How about a president that will show his support for us?

Neither Lady Lindsey nor Ted Cruz can be trusted to do anything other than play politics,and they are best of the bunch.

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Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
« Reply #46 on: August 07, 2019, 10:19:03 PM »
@sneakypete
I told you a long time ago:
Left foot, right foot, shuffling toward Gomorrah.
And I mean it.
I don't trust anyone in government, and never have.
That used to be a universal conservative attribute.
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Complacency when "our guys" are in power has proven to be a mistake.
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« Reply #47 on: August 07, 2019, 10:22:20 PM »
Eternal Vigilance is the price of Liberty.

Complacency when "our guys" are in power has proven to be a mistake.

That's right.

That there are people here, supposedly conservative people, advocating for red flag laws and real capitulation on R2KBA should tell you something too.

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Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
« Reply #48 on: August 07, 2019, 10:23:27 PM »
Then why is my North Dakota Concealed Weapons permit not recognized in New York?

Yeah... Funny how that works, ain't it?

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Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
« Reply #49 on: August 07, 2019, 10:30:39 PM »
That's right.

That there are people here, supposedly conservative people, advocating for red flag laws and real capitulation on R2KBA should tell you something too.
Either they never were Conservative, or they have succumbed to the howling of the press advocating the destruction of our republic.

Perhaps they want a civil war, or seek disarmament and the subjugation of Americans.

Maybe they just want to keep the blood mist in the air to hide that the FBI helped Hillary destroy evidence of wrongdoing (something I had anticipated during the whole Russia circus), with the hopes of damaging the RKBA in an administration that has already shown itself weak by banning a type of gunstock.

I seriously offer prayers for and condolences to the victims and survivors of these incidents, but I'm not willing to let our rights be washed away with their blood, and if any of them had been in the US military, or otherwise sworn to protect and defend the Constitution of the US I doubt the victims would be either.
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