Republicans Fear ‘Extinction in the Suburbs’ Over Gun Control

[jpsb]

I'm sorry you don't understand where all of this is going.  It's too little and too late to tell parents and husbands and wives that we can't stop *any* individual hell bent on killing.  Remember this:  The most fundamental of our natural rights is the right to life.

@Right_in_Virginia

While I am on your side and agree something needs to be done. In a prefect world, or even a sane world the
solution would be to arm and train everyone so that everyone had the ability to stop a bad guy with a gun.
But that is not the world we live in. Too many snowflakes that are scared of guns. Oh well, perhaps a decent
red flag law with lots of built in checks is the bast we can do.

I do think it is important not to do anything hasty. A rush to "Do Something" would be a huge mistake, right
now the left is going insane, and the American people are catching on to this. Let the fires burn themselves
out first and then try to put something sensible together.

My version of something sensible I outline earlier in this thread, no one thought much of it since no one
replied. I'll edit this and put a link in :)


http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,371119.msg2026640.html#msg2026640

[DCPatriot]

Think about it...

One hundred and fifty years ago, everybody West of the Mississippi River carried or had access to guns.  For THEIR safety.

It's come full circle.

Only today, they want to disarm Conservatives "...for their own protection".     /s

[txradioguy]

Think about it...

One hundred and fifty years ago, everybody West of the Mississippi River carried or had access to guns.  For THEIR safety.

It's come full circle.

Only today, they want to disarm Conservatives "...for their own protection".     /s

Hell I'm old enough to remember when a rifle on a gun rack inside a pickup truck in my high schools parking lot didn't even draw so much as a second glance.

[DCPatriot]

Hell I'm old enough to remember when a rifle on a gun rack inside a pickup truck in my high schools parking lot didn't even draw so much as a second glance.

  

Today, they send a masked SWAT team for you before the bell rang.

[DCPatriot]

Hell I'm old enough to remember when a rifle on a gun rack inside a pickup truck in my high schools parking lot didn't even draw so much as a second glance.

@txradioguy
@jpsb
@roamer_1
@austingirl
@skeeter
@ all   

Benjamin Franklin saw 250 years ago when he answered that question; "A Republic ... if you can keep it!"

Cell phones and GPS and automobiles weren't even a gleam is his eye.  Did he 'see' a billion people?  Perhaps.

Or was he strictly referring for authority's or government's penchant to want to RULE rather than be ruled?   

I'll take the latter for $50, Alex.

[txradioguy]

@txradioguy
@jpsb
@roamer_1
@austingirl
@skeeter
@ all   

Benjamin Franklin saw 250 years ago when he answered that question; "A Republic ... if you can keep it!"

Cell phones and GPS and automobiles weren't even a gleam is his eye.  Did he 'see' a billion people?  Perhaps.

Or was he strictly referring for authority's or government's penchant to want to RULE rather than be ruled?   

I'll take the latter for $50, Alex.

I'm with you on this one.

[Jazzhead]

How utterly irrational it is to characterize this as a gun violence problem.

Perhaps,  but your problem is with the voters.   They want reasonable restrictions on the gun right,  whether efficacious or not.   They want "something done" about gun violence and,  increasingly,  such calls are coming from gun owners themselves.

The handwriting is on the wall,  folks.   Extremist positions regarding the sanctity of the 2A will just lead to backlash,   and quite possibly loss of the 2A entirely.   It is far better to work to address measures that most gun owners can live with,  such as red flag laws, background checks for transfers and reasonable requirements for licensure,  registration and insurance.

This nonsense of opposing what the public wants and demands because of the Founders' alleged intent to permit citizens to brandish military-grade weapons against their own government is not going to fly with the GP.    If gun extremists want to kill off the Republican party and the dash the other policy goals of conservatives,  then count me as implacably opposed to the gun extremists.       

[sneakypete]

I'm sorry you don't understand where all of this is going.  It's too little and too late to tell parents and husbands and wives that we can't stop *any* individual hell bent on killing.  Remember this:  The most fundamental of our natural rights is the right to life.

@Right_in_Virginia

Yet you seem comfortable telling us we should allow ourselves to be disarmed so that WE can't stop *any* individual hell bent on killing" US or OUR families!

 

You're now even against taking guns out of the hands of the mentally ill with a hit list.

Any SANE person would be against this because it is the left who gets to determine who is,and who is NOT "mentally ill",and by THEIR definition, ANYONE that wants to own a firearm is "mentally ill".

 

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Right_in_Virginia

Yet you seem comfortable telling us we should allow ourselves to be disarmed so that WE can't stop *any* individual hell bent on killing" US or OUR families!

Nah @sneakypete   Please don't go all hyperbolic on me.  I'm actually proposing a different approach to a campaign (and it is a campaign) against disarming American citizens. 
 

Any SANE person would be against this because it is the left who gets to determine who is,and who is NOT "mentally ill",and by THEIR definition, ANYONE that wants to own a firearm is "mentally ill".

Why are you surrendering your voice?  I don't get it.   

[sneakypete]

Stop with the false straw man arguments to distract from the topic at hand.

@txradioguy

The "Non-PC truth" that must NEVER be mentioned is we CAN probably stop 90 percent or so of these mass murders by the simple method of locking the insane away in insane asylums instead of giving them meds they won't keep taking and letting them loose to live in the streets again.

Crazy people need to be locked away in institutions designed to treat and house crazy people.  WOW! What a concept,huh?

[Right_in_Virginia]

 

Hey, think of me as Paula Revere @Bigun ....  "The socialists are coming and you're losing .... badly."   

I'm merely suggesting you, and others, think outside the box.  Outside the box means remembering innocents are dying and right now their heirs are holding all the cards and political clout. 

Peace. 

[edpc]

Perhaps, but your problem is with the voters.  They want reasonable restrictions on the gun right,  whether efficacious or not.  They want "something done" about gun violence and, increasingly, such calls are coming from gun owners themselves.

The handwriting is on the wall, folks.  Extremist positions regarding the sanctity of the 2A will just lead to backlash, and quite possibly loss of the 2A entirely.  It is far better to work to address measures that most gun owners can live with, such as red flag laws, background checks for transfers and reasonable requirements for licensure, registration and insurance.

This nonsense of opposing what the public wants and demands because of the Founders' alleged intent to permit citizens to brandish military-grade weapons against their own government is not going to fly with the GP.  If gun extremists want to kill off the Republican party and the dash the other policy goals of conservatives, then count me as implacably opposed to the gun extremists.     

I’ve heard discussion of red flag laws and background checks, but nobody out there is talking about registration or insurance, but you.

[Jazzhead]

Any SANE person would be against this because it is the left who gets to determine who is,and who is NOT "mentally ill",and by THEIR definition, ANYONE that wants to own a firearm is "mentally ill".

Stop spouting such utter bullshit.   A properly drafted and Constitutional red flag law will include due process protections. 

[DCPatriot]

Stop spouting such utter bullshit.   A properly drafted and Constitutional red flag law will include due process protections.

Yesterday, in Ferndale, MD, outside Baltimore...at 5AM, the police arrived to serve a warrant to confiscate all firearms owned by a 61 year-old man.

What could go wrong, when somebody is banging on your door at 5AM?

Especially, if you follow Joe Biden's order:  "Fire a Shotgun!"   

They shot him dead.

Family, or health providers or pharmacists can be a catalyst to trigger Maryland's Red Alert.   

Did I say, they shot him DEAD??   

[Cyber Liberty]

I’ve heard discussion of red flag laws and background checks, but nobody out there is talking about registration or insurance, but you.

Far left gun grabbers talk about that all the time.  It doesn't surprise me at all that the resident gun grabber mouths the same line.  Insurance would have stopped both shooters.  "I better not shoot these people because my insurance will go up!" said nobody ever.

[sneakypete]

Stop spouting such utter bullshit.   A properly drafted and Constitutional red flag law will include due process protections.

@Jazzhead

How old are you,8? Or maybe 80 and senile?

Or are you just one of those clueless professional fools that don't think your goobermint would ever lie to you?

It is either one of the above,or you are a leftist. Nobody else is foolish enough to swallow that crap.

[roamer_1]

Hell I'm old enough to remember when a rifle on a gun rack inside a pickup truck in my high schools parking lot didn't even draw so much as a second glance.

@txradioguy
Still that way here - Not at the high screwel of course... Federal mandate there... But everywhere else, guns are just part of the furniture... And everywhere I have been up and down the Rockies, in the PacNW, and across the midwest... Plains farmers don't tend to have big iron laying around like we do up here... but deer guns, varmint guns, shotguns... Every place I have gone, west of the Mississippi, guns are there. And the same goes for rural Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, and what little of the South I have been to.

Which is where I can't see the bs I am hearing from the back-easters here. I would bet money that if Tumpy and the pubbies do this, they will lose bigtime.

[roamer_1]

I'll take the latter for $50, Alex.

That's right.

[roamer_1]

Perhaps,  but your problem is with the voters.   They want reasonable restrictions on the gun right,  whether efficacious or not.   They want "something done" about gun violence and,  increasingly,  such calls are coming from gun owners themselves.

Not here they don't.

[sneakypete]

Nah @sneakypete   Please don't go all hyperbolic on me.  I'm actually proposing a different approach to a campaign (and it is a campaign) against disarming American citizens. 
 
Why are you surrendering your voice?  I don't get it.   

@Right_in_Virginia

Seems to me like YOU are the one surrendering.

MY philosophy on gun control is that any citizen not on parole or other restriction should be able to walk into any gun shop in the country and buy any firearm he wants as long as it isn't a crew-served weapon.  The 2nd Amendment covers individual weapons as carried by the typical soldier,and individual soldiers don't carry crew-served weapons. By definition they need a crew.

BTW,before we get into that argument,the 2nd Amendment doesn't cover things like grenades,either. Grenades and similar devices are classified as "weapons of mass destruction" because they are nothing less than tiny bombs.

[Jazzhead]

Not here they don't.

And around here, they sure as hell do.

[roamer_1]

Hey, think of me as Paula Revere @Bigun ....  "The socialists are coming and you're losing .... badly."   

I'm merely suggesting you, and others, think outside the box.  Outside the box means remembering innocents are dying and right now their heirs are holding all the cards and political clout. 

Peace. 

Come and take em, Paula. See how that goes.

[roamer_1]

And around here, they sure as hell do.

Then pass your draconian bullcrap in your own state and leave me the hell alone.

[sneakypete]

Stop spouting such utter bullshit.   A properly drafted and Constitutional red flag law will include due process protections.

@Jazzhead

SURE it will! After all,if you can't trust the DNC and their RINO butt-buddies to protect our rights,who CAN we trust,right?

After all,has the government EVER lied to us? Of course not! Presidents and politicians like King Franklin,The Kennedy Klan, LBJ,the Clinton Klan,the Bush Crime Family, Bathhouse Barry,Senator Proxmire,and others would NEVER consider betraying America,would they?

[skeeter]

@txradioguy
@jpsb
@roamer_1
@austingirl
@skeeter
@ all   

Benjamin Franklin saw 250 years ago when he answered that question; "A Republic ... if you can keep it!"

Cell phones and GPS and automobiles weren't even a gleam is his eye.  Did he 'see' a billion people?  Perhaps.

Or was he strictly referring for authority's or government's penchant to want to RULE rather than be ruled?   

I'll take the latter for $50, Alex.

Franklin was seeing the same tendencies and personality types in 1775 that we are seeing now. There's nothing new under the sun.