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Re: Republicans Fear ‘Extinction in the Suburbs’ Over Gun Control
« Reply #25 on: August 06, 2019, 07:12:12 PM »
This is exactly why I will vote for whatever Dim is on 2020 ticket....

With Trump the GOP/ Conservative side of 2020 American politics will always be divided and Trump will seek the help of the Dims to pass legislation should he win another term   e.g. the budget deal.... At least with a Dim in office the GOP and Conservatives will be united in opposition to any 2A legislation and nothing will get done.... :shrug:

If it's anything like the last budget deal, we'll be at $30 trillion in debt before the 2022 midterms.  :thud:
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Re: Republicans Fear ‘Extinction in the Suburbs’ Over Gun Control
« Reply #26 on: August 06, 2019, 07:17:05 PM »
They better pay more attention to the rural route, where their bread is buttered.

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Re: Republicans Fear ‘Extinction in the Suburbs’ Over Gun Control
« Reply #27 on: August 06, 2019, 07:21:40 PM »
IMO, Trump has done very little to secure the border, nowhere near what he's promised over the past 3 years.

Very true.  He has made some progress, but all in all very little.  That issue will now take a back seat -- gun control is the focus and will be going into the 2020 election.

ANY candidate that steps on the 2nd Amendment will NOT get my vote.
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Re: Republicans Fear ‘Extinction in the Suburbs’ Over Gun Control
« Reply #28 on: August 06, 2019, 07:21:48 PM »
@jpsb
So you are *FOR* bump stock bans and red flag laws... How much more will you swallow before you realize your freedoms are being sold down the river by the very people you are supporting?

Keep voting them in, requiring less and less of them... You can see where you are going now. It's on you.

I'm going to regret asking this question, but I'm curious.  What do envision happening if the Democrat-Socialists own the White House, the House of Representatives, the Senate and a majority of the Federal courts?  And how do envision all of this working for you?   
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Re: Republicans Fear ‘Extinction in the Suburbs’ Over Gun Control
« Reply #29 on: August 06, 2019, 09:58:41 PM »
I'm going to regret asking this question, but I'm curious.  What do envision happening if the Democrat-Socialists own the White House, the House of Representatives, the Senate and a majority of the Federal courts?  And how do envision all of this working for you?

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I don't care about any of that, because that is definitely where we are going since the Republicans are doing the same thing. You know, like being in favor of red flag laws.

IOW, WTF is the difference?

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Re: Republicans Fear ‘Extinction in the Suburbs’ Over Gun Control
« Reply #30 on: August 06, 2019, 10:08:25 PM »
@roamer_1

If we not solve our border problem we will lose EVERYTHING, with no chance of ever getting the country back.
So I keep my eye on the big picture. bump stock bans don't brother me one bit and I don't think people that are
really badly mentally ill need semi-auto weapons. Red flags laws brother me, they can easily be abused. But like
I said border security is at the top of my list and Trump is doing everything he can to secure the border and
stop the flow of illegals into the USA so he still has my support.

That is exactly bass-ackwards @jpsb and a perfect example of 'swallowing a camel'

FIRST protect rights. That is what the government is for.
If your rights are lost, the border won't even matter.

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Re: Republicans Fear ‘Extinction in the Suburbs’ Over Gun Control
« Reply #31 on: August 06, 2019, 10:08:26 PM »
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I don't care about any of that, because that is definitely where we are going since the Republicans are doing the same thing. You know, like being in favor of red flag laws.

IOW, WTF is the difference?

Words fail me here @roamer_1   The democrat-socialists are openly talking about the total destruction of the US economic and social fabric.  If you truly see no difference, we've nothing left to discuss. 
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Re: Republicans Fear ‘Extinction in the Suburbs’ Over Gun Control
« Reply #32 on: August 06, 2019, 10:25:04 PM »
Words fail me here @roamer_1   The democrat-socialists are openly talking about the total destruction of the US economic and social fabric.  If you truly see no difference, we've nothing left to discuss.

No, I truly do not see a difference, @Right_in_Virginia . You must remember that well meaning people often do the most awful things, thinking they are doing the right thing all the way along.
Without a thought to the principle of things, they have no idea the harm they are doing....

Kinda like Bushies that don't understand the heinous infraction of the TSA, y'all get easily diistracted...

You are approving red flag laws. Federal red flag laws to boot... I don't think you even know what you're really doing.

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Re: Republicans Fear ‘Extinction in the Suburbs’ Over Gun Control
« Reply #33 on: August 06, 2019, 10:33:53 PM »
Kinda like Bushies that don't understand the heinous infraction of the TSA, y'all get easily diistracted...

You are approving red flag laws. Federal red flag laws to boot... I don't think you even know what you're really doing.


That's OK. When it all goes wrong, down the road , they'll just blame it on Barr, former Bushie.
I disagree.  Circle gets the square.

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Re: Republicans Fear ‘Extinction in the Suburbs’ Over Gun Control
« Reply #34 on: August 06, 2019, 10:47:16 PM »
No, I truly do not see a difference, @Right_in_Virginia . You are approving red flag laws. Federal red flag laws to boot... I don't think you even know what you're really doing. 

I know what I'm doing @roamer_1   I know we cannot hide from the conversation and debate before us.  Your arguments against red flag laws are falling on deaf ears because they pale in comparison to the carnage we have a front row seat to far too often.

"Do Something!" is the rallying cry.  And no civilized soul who has watched Americans bury so many of our innocent dead would find fault with this.

There will be negotiations and your pro-pure 2nd Amendment crowd must do better.
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Re: Republicans Fear ‘Extinction in the Suburbs’ Over Gun Control
« Reply #35 on: August 06, 2019, 10:56:21 PM »
I know what I'm doing @roamer_1   I know we cannot hide from the conversation and debate before us.  Your arguments against red flag laws are falling on deaf ears because they pale in comparison to the carnage we have a front row seat to far too often.

"Do Something!" is the rallying cry.  And no civilized soul who has watched Americans bury so many of our innocent dead would find fault with this.

There will be negotiations and your pro-pure 2nd Amendment crowd must do better.

@Right_in_Virginia
DO Something, even if it's wrong. and when you are done our freedoms will be gone.

We are not burying 'so many'. You are being lead right down the garden path to gun control... fighting FOR gun control.

When in reality, the number of people defended by guns every year dwarfs this crap by several orders of magnitude. THAT is what you are infringing, and your idiot plan won't touch the criminal at all.
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Re: Republicans Fear ‘Extinction in the Suburbs’ Over Gun Control
« Reply #36 on: August 06, 2019, 10:57:21 PM »
@Right_in_Virginia
DO Something, even if it's wrong. and when you are done our freedoms will be gone.

We are not burying 'so many'. You are being lead right down the garden path to gun control... fighting FOR gun control.

When in reality, the number of people defended by guns every year dwarfs this crap by several orders of magnitude. THAT is what you are infringing, and your idiot plan won't tough the criminal at all. 

Do better.
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Re: Republicans Fear ‘Extinction in the Suburbs’ Over Gun Control
« Reply #37 on: August 06, 2019, 10:58:44 PM »

That's OK. When it all goes wrong, down the road , they'll just blame it on Barr, former Bushie.

No, they'll blame Conservatives, even as we told em so. Go figger.

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Re: Republicans Fear ‘Extinction in the Suburbs’ Over Gun Control
« Reply #38 on: August 06, 2019, 11:02:15 PM »
Do better.

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I am not the one infringing rights for an act as yet uncommitted. When they use the precedent to do it to you, maybe then you'll understand.

But then, of course, it will be too late.

And then you wonder why you look like Democrats to me.

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Re: Republicans Fear ‘Extinction in the Suburbs’ Over Gun Control
« Reply #39 on: August 06, 2019, 11:10:48 PM »
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I am not the one infringing rights for an act as yet uncommitted. When they use the precedent to do it to you, maybe then you'll understand.

But then, of course, it will be too late.

And then you wonder why you look like Democrats to me. 

I want you to win this one @roamer_1 ... but saying there is nothing we can do but bury our dead is not good enough.

Do better.
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Re: Republicans Fear ‘Extinction in the Suburbs’ Over Gun Control
« Reply #40 on: August 06, 2019, 11:16:44 PM »
I have not seen an election were a candidate lost because he/she opposed gun control. It seems outside the media/DC bubble it’s not really an issue with that turns an election

The problem with too many Republicans is they think the New York Times represents the thinking of the average every day Americans

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This ain't about gun control. It is about who has access to international bankers and the money and votes they can supply so the pol stays in office.

SELFISH SELF-INTEREST ALWAYS RULES THE DAY.

Of course,none of the laws they write or vote to pass NEVER apply to THEM.
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Re: Republicans Fear ‘Extinction in the Suburbs’ Over Gun Control
« Reply #41 on: August 06, 2019, 11:17:21 PM »
I want you to win this one @roamer_1 ... but saying there is nothing we can do but bury our dead is not good enough.

Do better.

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Oh there's plenty to do... Like national open carry, and abolishing gun free zones. That will put armed citizens on the ground to instantly retaliate... That is what would actually work. But you big government types think you can restrict crime with more government. It never works that way.

You really want to fix it? Remove the strictures that prevent people from protecting themselves.

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Re: Republicans Fear ‘Extinction in the Suburbs’ Over Gun Control
« Reply #42 on: August 06, 2019, 11:49:14 PM »
@Right_in_Virginia

When in reality, the number of people defended by guns every year dwarfs this crap by several orders of magnitude. THAT is what you are infringing, and your idiot plan won't touch the criminal at all.

Preach it brother... exactly right
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Re: Republicans Fear ‘Extinction in the Suburbs’ Over Gun Control
« Reply #43 on: August 07, 2019, 03:16:22 AM »
Right - And thus my vote of no confidence. Throw the bastards out. All of em.
Then you and me will be singing the same song.
I will vote against anyone who votes for or supports gun control from the local level to the White House.
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Re: Republicans Fear ‘Extinction in the Suburbs’ Over Gun Control
« Reply #44 on: August 07, 2019, 03:24:00 AM »
@roamer_1

If we not solve our border problem we will lose EVERYTHING, with no chance of ever getting the country back.
So I keep my eye on the big picture. bump stock bans don't brother me one bit and I don't think people that are
really badly mentally ill need semi-auto weapons. Red flags laws brother me, they can easily be abused. But like
I said border security is at the top of my list and Trump is doing everything he can to secure the border and
stop the flow of illegals into the USA so he still has my support.
I am all for solving our border problem.

I am completely against surrendering one shred of the RKBA to do so.

The problems are independent of each other.

Guarding the border (providing for the mutual defense of the States) is a Constitutional Mandate.

Incidentally, so is keeping government's sticky fingers off our Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

Just go by the Constitution, and quit even considering sacrificing parts of it as a bargaining chip to get the other parts.
The inevitable end of such machinations is the destruction of the Republic, in toto.

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Re: Republicans Fear ‘Extinction in the Suburbs’ Over Gun Control
« Reply #45 on: August 07, 2019, 03:28:37 AM »
Do better.
You disparage the sacrifices of every service man and woman (millions) when you ignore the sacrifice they made to keep these Rights (including the RKBA), by throwing those Rights away over a couple of crazies killing a handful of people.

So while you are "burying those innocent dead", don't forget to visit the parts of the cemetery where those who gave their lives for the rights you are willing to throw away are buried.

You will find they outnumber the innocents you bury, by orders of magnitude, and yet you call for throwing away their sacrifice just in the off chance someone just possibly might attack your local Wal-Mart.

...and would punish millions for the actions of two.

That is about as unAmerican as you can get.
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Re: Republicans Fear ‘Extinction in the Suburbs’ Over Gun Control
« Reply #46 on: August 07, 2019, 03:29:19 AM »
@Right_in_Virginia
I don't care about any of that, because that is definitely where we are going since the Republicans are doing the same thing. You know, like being in favor of red flag laws.

IOW, WTF is the difference?

Today, a little.  20 years from now if we continue to show up and vote for the "we're not Democrats, we promise" party every election while they try to scoop up more of the "moderate" vote...

Well, you've got your vote and I've got mine.
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Re: Republicans Fear ‘Extinction in the Suburbs’ Over Gun Control
« Reply #47 on: August 07, 2019, 03:33:21 AM »
I am all for solving our border problem.

I am completely against surrendering one shred of the RKBA to do so.

The problems are independent of each other.

Guarding the border (providing for the mutual defense of the States) is a Constitutional Mandate.

Incidentally, so is keeping government's sticky fingers off our Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

Just go by the Constitution, and quit even considering sacrificing parts of it as a bargaining chip to get the other parts.
The inevitable end of such machinations is the destruction of the Republic, in toto.

"A house divided against itself cannot stand."

When you throw away the rule book, what's the point of having rules?
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Re: Republicans Fear ‘Extinction in the Suburbs’ Over Gun Control
« Reply #48 on: August 07, 2019, 03:50:28 AM »
When you throw away the rule book, what's the point of having rules?
Along those lines, how's that bump stock turn in going?

I have seen where some corporate inventory has been turned in or destroyed (makes sense, after all, it's on the books and no one wants to go to jail). Money set aside in Washington State was used up as some were turned in for $150.00 each (less than half their value new), but it turns out the BATFE isn't keeping tally of what has been turned in (or at least they aren't talking), which leads me to suspect compliance is on the order of the Canadian Long Gun registry (dismantled for widespread noncompliance). If this was such a success, we'd be hearing about how effective it was, right?

Ultimately, only the threat of simply not complying with such bans stands between American gunowners and disarmament.  The reason so many gun control measures slipped through during Republican administrations is that gun owners thought the GOP had their backs. Well, they don't.  Rural States may not have enough electoral votes to put a president in, but they have enough to take one out.
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Re: Republicans Fear ‘Extinction in the Suburbs’ Over Gun Control
« Reply #49 on: August 07, 2019, 04:05:36 AM »
I will vote against anyone who votes for or supports gun control from the local level to the White House.

Me too, of course...
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