Donald Trump Suggests Linking Gun Control Legislation To Immigration Laws

[sneakypete]

Nothing beyond Red Flag Laws that I heard....

Remarks at about 21:00 on this live stream....


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@EdJames

Thanks!

[Maj. Bill Martin]

I don't have a problem with red flag laws conceptually.  In fact, they may make a lot of sense.  But the implementation and legal standards are everything.

[edpc]

Seeking clarity, in the statement  ...who is/are the you (as in "you're")?

The ‘you’ would be those in the admin that decided combining the issues are good political strategy.

[edpc]

I don't have a problem with red flag laws conceptually.  In fact, they may make a lot of sense.  But the implementation and legal standards are everything.

Exactly, because some people who are not threats, but need treatment, may have reservations about seeking it.


Catch 22: Vets Fear Loss Of Gun Rights If They Seek Treatment For PTSD

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2016/02/21/catch-22-vets-concerned-with-loss-of-gun-rights-if-they-seek-treatment-for-ptsd/

[txradioguy]

I don't have a problem with red flag laws conceptually.  In fact, they may make a lot of sense.  But the implementation and legal standards are everything.

The 4th Amendment violations don't bug you?

[Smokin Joe]

The ‘you’ would be those in the admin that decided combining the issues are good political strategy.

OK, thanks!

[Smokin Joe]

The 4th Amendment violations don't bug you?

Apparently the 5th Amendment doesn't count, either, nor the prohibition of Bills of Attainder.

For reference to those who just think of Miranda...

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Don't tell me the same people who used to say a guy calling himself a woman had a problem is now
'normal' will be setting the standards and that will constitute "due process". 

[txradioguy]

Apparently the 5th Amendment doesn't count, either, nor the prohibition of Bills of Attainder.

For reference to those who just think of Miranda...
Don't tell me the same people who used to say a guy calling himself a woman had a problem is now
'normal' will be setting the standards and that will constitute "due process". 

@Smokin Joe they won't have to.  If these Red Flag laws catch on nation wide they due process is out the window. They won't need to set the standard because they won't need one.

[DCPatriot]

Keep my Rights separate from immigration Law, thankyouverymuch.
Immigration control (Part of providing for the common defense) is a Duty of the Federal Government.

I'm not willing to trade my Rights for them doing their f*cking job.

Absolutely agree!   

[EdJames]

@EdJames

Thanks!

You are welcome!

[sneakypete]

@Smokin Joe they won't have to.  If these Red Flag laws catch on nation wide they due process is out the window. They won't need to set the standard because they won't need one.

@txradioguy   @Smokin Joe

EXACTLY!

As a wise man once noted,the devil is in the details,and the details establish that once something becomes a law the politicians can then change it or add to it without any public input at all.  This is the same kind of "good intentions" crap that got us to where we are now. It's the camel's nose under the tent.

[txradioguy]

@txradioguy   @Smokin Joe

EXACTLY!

As a wise man once noted,the devil is in the details,and the details establish that once something becomes a law the politicians can then change it or add to it without any public input at all.  This is the same kind of "good intentions" crap that got us to where we are now. It's the camel's nose under the tent.

@sneakypete In that same vein pay close attention in the next few days to the change in language the Dems are using when they call for their gun bans.  It was a subtle shift I noticed over the weekend...it's gone from "assault rifles" to "assault weapons" and "semi-automatic weapons".

They've broadened the term to allow them to go after not only the scary black AR-15...but everything from your bolt-action .308 to the two Sig Sauers in my gun bag at home.

[edpc]

@sneakypete In that same vein pay close attention in the next few days to the change in language the Dems are using when they call for their gun bans.  It was a subtle shift I noticed over the weekend...it's gone from "assault rifles" to "assault weapons" and "semi-automatic weapons".

They've broadened the term to allow them to go after not only the scary black AR-15...but everything from your bolt-action .308 to the two Sig Sauers in my gun bag at home.

Well, I just bought my Marlin 1895GBL. Haven’t even fired it, yet. It’s got a 6+1 capacity for .45-70, so it’s probably on the block.

[txradioguy]

Well, I just bought my Marlin 1895GBL. Haven’t even fired it, yet. It’s got a 6+1 capacity for .45-70, so it’s probably on the block.

@edpc

They'll get to it eventually...after they've outlawed the pistol caliber carbines. 

And the left's argument will be "no one needs a rifle powerful enough to stop a T-Rex".

[libertybele]

What did Cruz say?

...." We must speak clearly to combat evil in any form it takes. What we saw yesterday was a heinous act of terrorism and white supremacy. There is no place for this in El Paso, in Texas, or anywhere across our nation.
 
We are all Americans and we are all standing united with El Paso."....

[edpc]

The biggest problem with combining these two issues is that it legitimizes the declaration of a natural emergency, considering the border situation has already been declared as such.

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete In that same vein pay close attention in the next few days to the change in language the Dems are using when they call for their gun bans.  It was a subtle shift I noticed over the weekend...it's gone from "assault rifles" to "assault weapons" and "semi-automatic weapons".

They've broadened the term to allow them to go after not only the scary black AR-15...but everything from your bolt-action .308 to the two Sig Sauers in my gun bag at home.

@txradioguy

Yup. They HAVE to do this because they want to establish a world-wide socialist/communist police state,and even THEY know that people don't want it and will fight against it if they are able.

THIS is why they want the only people to be armed are agents of the government,either the military,or the LEO's.

Think about that for a minute. What kind of dictatorial douche-bab do you have to be to actually think the IDEAL system of government is one the citizens would fight against if they had the means to fight?

[sneakypete]

@edpc

They'll get to it eventually...after they've outlawed the pistol caliber carbines. 

 

@txradioguy

Uhhhh,I might be wrong about this,but a 45/70 caliber pistol would be one HUGE handgun.

[edpc]

@txradioguy

Uhhhh,I might be wrong about this,but a 45/70 caliber pistol would be one HUGE handgun.

I think he was talking about things like the Hi-Point models, but, yes, it is a large handgun.

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/mobile/product/49477/redirect

[sneakypete]

I think he was talking about things like the Hi-Point models, but, yes, it is a large handgun.

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/mobile/product/49477/redirect

@edpc

People buy those things for bragging rights,and maybe shoot them once.

[txradioguy]

@txradioguy

Uhhhh,I might be wrong about this,but a 45/70 caliber pistol would be one HUGE handgun.

@sneakypete @edpc

Yeah the 45-70 Govt. round is a man sized rifle round to be sure.

What I meant was..and I apologize for not being clearer...is that the left will systematically work their way through the myriad of firearms eliminating different categories as they become the next scary black rifle or death dealing semi-automatic menace.

AR's and their clones will be the first to go...then semi-auto pistols (after their capacity has been limited to 5 rounds)...then they'll go after the Pistol Caliber Carbines because they can spit out everything from .380 to 10mm at "near assault rifle velocities" (I know that's not the real case but the left will claim it's fact)...when they're done with those...THEN the'll come after the lever and bolt action rifles with detachable magazines because those will be the new "high capacity assault weapons" once the left has banned everything else.  Revolvers that can hole more than 5 rounds in calibers above .38 Spcl will be next.

Some may laugh and roll their eyes at that...but if we start down the slippery slope and buy into this BS of "sensible gun control" it's where we'll end up.  Every time the right gives an inch...the left takes three miles.

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete @edpc

Yeah the 45-70 Govt. round is a man sized rifle round to be sure.

What I meant was..and I apologize for not being clearer...is that the left will systematically work their way through the myriad of firearms eliminating different categories as they become the next scary black rifle or death dealing semi-automatic menace.

AR's and their clones will be the first to go...then semi-auto pistols (after their capacity has been limited to 5 rounds)...then they'll go after the Pistol Caliber Carbines because they can spit out everything from .380 to 10mm at "near assault rifle velocities" (I know that's not the real case but the left will claim it's fact)...when they're done with those...THEN the'll come after the lever and bolt action rifles with detachable magazines because those will be the new "high capacity assault weapons" once the left has banned everything else.  Revolvers that can hole more than 5 rounds in calibers above .38 Spcl will be next.

Some may laugh and roll their eyes at that..

@txradioguy

Not me!. Every word is true.

[Smokin Joe]

@edpc

They'll get to it eventually...after they've outlawed the pistol caliber carbines. 

And the left's argument will be "no one needs a rifle powerful enough to stop a T-Rex".

Nice, from people who have never been close enough to a bear to smell it.

[roamer_1]

Keep my Rights separate from immigration Law, thankyouverymuch.
Immigration control (Part of providing for the common defense) is a Duty of the Federal Government.

I'm not willing to trade my Rights for them doing their f*cking job.

That's not just right - That's damn well right.

[Smokin Joe]

@sneakypete @edpc

Yeah the 45-70 Govt. round is a man sized rifle round to be sure.

What I meant was..and I apologize for not being clearer...is that the left will systematically work their way through the myriad of firearms eliminating different categories as they become the next scary black rifle or death dealing semi-automatic menace.

AR's and their clones will be the first to go...then semi-auto pistols (after their capacity has been limited to 5 rounds)...then they'll go after the Pistol Caliber Carbines because they can spit out everything from .380 to 10mm at "near assault rifle velocities" (I know that's not the real case but the left will claim it's fact)...when they're done with those...THEN the'll come after the lever and bolt action rifles with detachable magazines because those will be the new "high capacity assault weapons" once the left has banned everything else.  Revolvers that can hole more than 5 rounds in calibers above .38 Spcl will be next.

Some may laugh and roll their eyes at that...but if we start down the slippery slope and buy into this BS of "sensible gun control" it's where we'll end up.  Every time the right gives an inch...the left takes three miles.

Well, we went from "you can own what you want" to "having to pay the transfer tax" to "having to be investigated and pay the transfer tax" to "unless you are police, military or a licensed dealer, you can't have one made after 1986", and from sending in the order form and waiting for the postman to bring your gun to Form 4473, NICS, waiting periods, and worse in some jurisdictions. It has been a progressive and incremental assault, and it continues. We have yet for a Federal Legislature to remove, relax, or repeal such infringements on the Right. (The Clinton Era AWB sun-setted, it wasn't repealed.)

Roll my eyes and laugh? Oh, Hell No!

They (Dianne Feinstein, et. al.) have stated the intent to "...ban them all Mr. and Mrs. America...", and I fully believe that is their intent.