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WASHINGTON – After two mass shootings over the weekend, President Donald Trump suggested Monday that Congress link immigration laws to new legislation requiring stronger background checks for gun buyers.

"Republicans and Democrats must come together and get strong background checks, perhaps marrying his legislation with desperately needed immigration reform," Trump tweeted.

He did not provide details on possible legislation regarding gun control, background checks, or immigration.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/08/05/mass-shooting-trump-suggests-linking-gun-control-immigration-laws/1919672001/
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We cannot let those killed in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, die in vain. Likewise for those so seriously wounded. We can never forget them, and those many who came before them. Republicans and Democrats must come together and get strong background checks, perhaps marrying....

....this legislation with desperately needed immigration reform. We must have something good, if not GREAT, come out of these two tragic events!

3:54 AM - 5 Aug 2019


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He did not provide details on possible legislation regarding gun control, background checks, or immigration.

Methinks he's working with his caucus on the direction and the details now.

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This attempt to parlay the issue is, IMO, ill-advised and has Stephen Miller written all over it. The message comes off as victim blaming, incredibly tone deaf, and will backfire.
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This attempt to parlay the issue is, IMO, ill-advised and has Stephen Miller written all over it. The message comes off as victim blaming, incredibly tone deaf, and will backfire.

We shall see   :shrug:

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Keep my Rights separate from immigration Law, thankyouverymuch.
Immigration control (Part of providing for the common defense) is a Duty of the Federal Government.

I'm not willing to trade my Rights for them doing their f*cking job.
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Keep my Rights separate from immigration Law, thankyouverymuch.
Immigration control (Part of providing for the common defense) is a Duty of the Federal Government.

I'm not willing to trade my Rights for them doing their f*cking job.


What initially bothered me about the approach is what you alluded to - potential horse trading on rights. Also, they spent a good deal of time yesterday, blaming the actions on mental illness. Now, they’re intertwining the two issues, with the El Paso shooting. Well, now, you’re basically equating defense of 2A and demand for immigration reform with mental illness. Thanks for that.
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Going to ban private transfer?  Some are saying.
They might make it illegal, but how will that stop it? Such transactions occur daily in areas where they are already banned.
It doesn't work, but there is a rollicking trade in black market guns.

All it will do, and pay attention here, is provide the government with a growing list of who has what, where, and we know where such databases end up. History provides that answer. The BATFE was making a database of NICS checks during the Clinton Administration. Do you think they really stopped or destroyed that? I have no faith that they did whatsoever.

All crap like this does is engender contempt for the government from a new group of people, and contempt for the law as well. That is not a good road to go down.

BTW, I remember people buying a gun through the mail, no paperwork, and the only government involvement was the postman delivering the check to the merchant, and then the gun to the buyer. There were no mass shootings in those days. Maybe the real problem isn't guns.
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He pretty much had his re-election in the bag,and he just threw it away.
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Going to ban private transfer?  Some are saying.

@rustynail

Who knows? He now seems to be negotiating gun control with the Dims,and confiscating and melting down all privately-owned firearms is what they would call a "good first step".

If he does this,he can kiss re-election away being it will be obvious to even a blind man that the time has come to take up arms right after the next election because it will be either "use them or lose them".
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Bad idea, Mr. Trump.

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Did he say anything about  new gun control? If he did,I missed it.
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Bad idea, Mr. Trump.

I couldn't agree more -- we shall see what the final gauntlet becomes...but so far I am disappointed in Trump's seeming intentions and Cruz's comments.  Very disappointed.
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Did he say anything about  new gun control? If he did,I missed it.

Nothing beyond Red Flag Laws that I heard....

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I couldn't agree more -- we shall see what the final gauntlet becomes...but so far I am disappointed in Trump's seeming intentions and Cruz's comments.  Very disappointed.

What did Cruz say?

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Based on content and delivery, I’m not sure how much of that statement he really believes. It doesn’t match up with this tweet from earlier this morning.


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What initially bothered me about the approach is what you alluded to - potential horse trading on rights. Also, they spent a good deal of time yesterday, blaming the actions on mental illness. Now, they’re intertwining the two issues, with the El Paso shooting. Well, now, you’re basically equating defense of 2A and demand for immigration reform with mental illness. Thanks for that.
What part of my statement even mentioned mental illness?

All I spoke of is that I don't want the Congress bribed into doing its job to quell illegal immigration in exchange for my 2nd Amendment Rights. Just do their job, like they are supposed to, and leave my Rights out of it.

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What initially bothered me about the approach is what you alluded to - potential horse trading on rights. Also, they spent a good deal of time yesterday, blaming the actions on mental illness. Now, they’re intertwining the two issues, with the El Paso shooting. Well, now, you’re basically equating defense of 2A and demand for immigration reform with mental illness. Thanks for that.

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What part of my statement even mentioned mental illness?


It didn’t, which is why I talked about the trade off, to which you were alluding. Then, I added the portion about mental illness by saying ‘also.’ I apologize if that was unclear.
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It didn’t, which is why I talked about the trade off, to which you were alluding. Then, I added the portion about mental illness by saying ‘also.’ I apologize if that was unclear.
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Well, now, you’re basically equating defense of 2A and demand for immigration reform with mental illness. Thanks for that.
...who is/are the you (as in "you're")?
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