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Here's what the President said.  He spent more time praising law enforcement and talking about mental illness than gun control:


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"We have to get it stopped ... and he's going to be making a statement tomorrow".  He stated that he's been in touch with AG Barr and Congress.  With what he said, the American public is now anticipating that something will be done to stop the mass shootings -- this can only mean one thing; some type of gun control.

Not good.
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"We have to get it stopped ... and he's going to be making a statement tomorrow".  He stated that he's been in touch with AG Barr and Congress.  With what he said, the American public is now anticipating that something will be done to stop the mass shootings -- this can only mean one thing; some type of gun control.

Not good.
I suspect they'll end the sale of AR types of weapons in the very near future.  Years ago all we had were hunting rifles and shotguns...now every little snotty nosed brat has an AR to play with.  I have no use for them.  I can't shoot a bird with one and shooting a deer with one is an over kill. 

If the little brat that killed 20 in El Paso had used a handgun or rifle, I suspect the number killed would have been much less. 

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I suspect they'll end the sale of AR types of weapons in the very near future.  Years ago all we had were hunting rifles and shotguns...now every little snotty nosed brat has an AR to play with.  I have no use for them.  I can't shoot a bird with one and shooting a deer with one is an over kill. 

If the little brat that killed 20 in El Paso had used a handgun or rifle, I suspect the number killed would have been much less.
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Do a google search for “Stephen Willeford”

Or  “ar 15 stops home invasion”

And then get back to me.   Until then you’re just being an emotional nitwit or a tyrant wannabe who thinks he knows what’s best
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If the little brat that killed 20 in El Paso had used a handgun or rifle, I suspect the number killed would have been much less.


History says differently....


https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/massacre-at-virginia-tech-leaves-32-dead


It’s not necessarily the weapon, it’s time, reliability, and proficiency. The shooter at the Aurora theater used an AR with a large drum that jammed. He killed a dozen. The DC naval yard shooter killed more with a shotgun and the Ft Hood shooter killed more with a handgun.
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@mrpotatohead
I said this to you yesterday and apparently you didn’t have the intellectual honesty to follow up...so I’ll try again


Do a google search for “Stephen Willeford”

Or  “ar 15 stops home invasion”

And then get back to me.   Until then you’re just being an emotional nitwit or a tyrant wannabe who thinks he knows what’s best
Wouldn't my hunting rifle with a scope do the same thing as his AR-15?  He put 2 bullets into the guy.  He's a true hero no doubt.

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Perhaps more should be done about letting mentally ill people buys guns.

Who is the decider wrt the definition of mentally ill?
How does that work? Do I have to have a shrink sign off before I can buy a gun?

Not that I would. I'll just go get the gun on the street instead, which I am likely to do anyway.

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Wouldn't my hunting rifle with a scope do the same thing as his AR-15?

Without all the man-candy tin bolted on, that ar-15 IS your hunting rifle.

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I suspect they'll end the sale of AR types of weapons in the very near future.  Years ago all we had were hunting rifles and shotguns...now every little snotty nosed brat has an AR to play with.  I have no use for them.  I can't shoot a bird with one and shooting a deer with one is an over kill. 

If the little brat that killed 20 in El Paso had used a handgun or rifle, I suspect the number killed would have been much less.
You don't want one, I get that.

As for handguns, there is no guarantee that the body count would have been any less, and could have been more. It's more concealable, and reloading is easy. Magazines are lighter, too, enabling even more ammo to be carried. BTW, the AK-47 and the AR-15 ARE rifles.

Shooting a deer with a standard AR-15, 5.56 ammo is forbidden by law in my state. Prairie dogs and other varmints, including coyotes are fair game, but a deer requires (by law) a round of at least .25 caliber.
A multitude of other variants built on the same Stoner (AR) concept work just fine, in higher calibers. You can take a deer with an AK-47, if you choose. You can even lug around a 30 round magazine full of ammo if you want, but you'd better not shoot more than your tag limit (1). Fish and Game here get upset about that.

But because you don't want one, the rest of the country has to bend to your likes?

That isn't how Rights work.

Yesterday, somewhere between 9,999,999 and 4,999,999 Ar-15s were not used to slaughter people. I can't find any figures on the number of semiautomatic AK variants there are in the US, but the vast majority of those were apparently well behaved as well.

Still, in the off chance that some mob may come down my street, I don't want to jack in 5 and have to reload. Chances are with a mob, that they won't notice the damage and you'll be overrun--and oddly enough, all the Leftists/Liberals have been pushing for just that--mob violence, and during the last Administration, they even got some (Baltimore and Fergusson). Don't think that couldn't visit where you live.

I don't want a Ferrari. Got no use for one. Should they be prohibited? How about Hummel figurines? Beanie Babies? Lalique glassware? Rolex watches (after all, your dumb phone can keep track of time. You don't even need a smartphone). Should they be banned?

You decide what you want, and I'll stand up for your Right to do so, but kindly don't stand in between me and my Right to own what I want.

Two firearms out of millions were used in those incident. Two. For that millions of people who have done nothing wrong should suffer consequences?

Oh, Hell NO!
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"We have to get it stopped ... and he's going to be making a statement tomorrow".  He stated that he's been in touch with AG Barr and Congress.  With what he said, the American public is now anticipating that something will be done to stop the mass shootings -- this can only mean one thing; some type of gun control.

Not good.

I really didn't get that from what the President said .... if you listen to his answer at the end of the video to the one question asked about gun control he shifted very quickly and was very strong that this is a mental health problem. 

But who knows what'll happen between now and tomorrow morning.   :shrug:

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You don't want one, I get that.

As for handguns, there is no guarantee that the body count would have been any less, and could have been more. It's more concealable, and reloading is easy. Magazines are lighter, too, enabling even more ammo to be carried. BTW, the AK-47 and the AR-15 ARE rifles.

Shooting a deer with a standard AR-15, 5.56 ammo is forbidden by law in my state. Prairie dogs and other varmints, including coyotes are fair game, but a deer requires (by law) a round of at least .25 caliber.
A multitude of other variants built on the same Stoner (AR) concept work just fine, in higher calibers. You can take a deer with an AK-47, if you choose. You can even lug around a 30 round magazine full of ammo if you want, but you'd better not shoot more than your tag limit (1). Fish and Game here get upset about that.

But because you don't want one, the rest of the country has to bend to your likes?

That isn't how Rights work.

Yesterday, somewhere between 9,999,999 and 4,999,999 Ar-15s were not used to slaughter people. I can't find any figures on the number of semiautomatic AK variants there are in the US, but the vast majority of those were apparently well behaved as well.

Still, in the off chance that some mob may come down my street, I don't want to jack in 5 and have to reload. Chances are with a mob, that they won't notice the damage and you'll be overrun--and oddly enough, all the Leftists/Liberals have been pushing for just that--mob violence, and during the last Administration, they even got some (Baltimore and Fergusson). Don't think that couldn't visit where you live.

I don't want a Ferrari. Got no use for one. Should they be prohibited? How about Hummel figurines? Beanie Babies? Lalique glassware? Rolex watches (after all, your dumb phone can keep track of time. You don't even need a smartphone). Should they be banned?

You decide what you want, and I'll stand up for your Right to do so, but kindly don't stand in between me and my Right to own what I want.

Two firearms out of millions were used in those incident. Two. For that millions of people who have done nothing wrong should suffer consequences?

Oh, Hell NO!

Concern for the likelihood of maim/run-off vs kill?
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Still, in the off chance that some mob may come down my street, I don't want to jack in 5 and have to reload. Chances are with a mob, that they won't notice the damage and you'll be overrun

Ain't even that... a .223 semi-auto (long clips, banana style) is a brilliant coyote gun... You can double-tap and find another... You'll get three or four where a bolt action would get one. It's fun for gophers too, though normally I use a .22LR semi-auto for that... Cheaper ammo, and you don't have to worry as much about the downrange...


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National red flag law on the way.


Kasich is on CNN right now, pushing it.
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Who is the decider wrt the definition of mentally ill?
How does that work? Do I have to have a shrink sign off before I can buy a gun?

Not that I would. I'll just go get the gun on the street instead, which I am likely to do anyway.
Seems like every time I go into see my doctor they are pushing me to say I'm depressed or feel some sort of fear, all out of a desire to help me.................................yeah right! I see it as all part of building a record of who can be tagged as 'mentally ill' so their rights can be nullified at some future point, considering the socialists total control of California I suspect it would be in the very near future.

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I see it as all part of building a record of who can be tagged as 'mentally ill' so their rights can be nullified at some future point, considering the socialists total control of California I suspect it would be in the very near future.


That's probably right... My emphasis would be on the futility of such a measure - In your scenario, a man is deemed unfit and denied(whether he is actually unfit or not)... But 500 bucks in your city, or any other in these fair states will get you what you want, and without a shred of paperwork or background check. And that will never change.



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Kasich is on CNN right now, pushing it.

Can’t wait. A few years ago my next door neighbor called Ca Air Resources on me because I burned a Duraflame log on Christmas Eve.

A red flag gun law ought to work out great here.

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Concern for the likelihood of maim/run-off vs kill?
That's the main reason for limiting deer hunting to the higher calibers (.25 or higher).

Tracking in prairie grass can be a SOB, especially in the dark and if the blood trail isn't really good.
While a .22 Long Rifle can certainly drop a whitetail at ranges under 100 yards, shot placement has to be just right.

I prefer a .30 caliber rifle, even on something as relatively small as whitetail, just to have the energy downrange. Some would say that is overkill, but I don't think so.
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That's probably right... My emphasis would be on the futility of such a measure - In your scenario, a man is deemed unfit and denied(whether he is actually unfit or not)... But 500 bucks in your city, or any other in these fair states will get you what you want, and without a shred of paperwork or background check. And that will never change.


But that's the problem with any gun control measure. If criminals followed laws, there would be no shootings. Passing another law isn't going to change the fact that they don't follow laws. It just puts lawbreakers at an advantage.

These crazies seem to pick areas where the average person who is law abiding won't be carrying their weapon, by virtue of one law or another. They know it is the presence of firearms which renders them in peril, as the Dayton shooter found out.  They might be crazy, but they aren't stupid. Making more free fire zones by depriving people of arms isn't going to improve the situation, it just gives the scofflaw nutcases more venues to choose from. 

What firearms did police use to end the rampage in Dayton?
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The repercussions of these attacks are going to be ugly.  Most everyone, including Ted Cruz, is blaming these murders on white supremacy.   The powers that be are going to be clamoring to do something now that they've identified the "enemy".


Well we know that these groups exist.  They should be scouring every bit of information about who and what influence this idiot had.  This isn't just mental health I believe it is domestic terrorism and they need to find the root.   And stop it.  This is where freedom of speech isn't freedom of speech but advocating terrorism.  This 22 year old did not get all of this by himself.


As for Trump and gun control, NO!  Guns don't kill people.  People kill people. 
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Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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And Texas apparently has the most hate groups.

https://www.keranews.org/post/there-are-84-active-hate-groups-texas-most-any-state

Does anyone believe that banning guns will stop these groups from having them?
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But that's the problem with any gun control measure. If criminals followed laws, there would be no shootings. Passing another law isn't going to change the fact that they don't follow laws. It just puts lawbreakers at an advantage.

Well, yes, more or less... I don't know about everywhere, but here at least, what I suggest is perfectly legal... and of a better economy. Very little of what I have (of any nature, gun or not) was bought new, to include my pots and pans, the fan in the window, and the pickup in the driveway.

I don't buy new anyhow. Why would I go buy a new gun and go through all that trouble, when I can buy something slightly used fora substantial savings?

It's just second nature to me. And that market will always be there - Even after all y'all are cashless, There will still be barter or trade for services. Registering guns is futile from the start, and in that, psycho exams as a prerequsite to purchase is equally futile.

Even though, I might add, It was already a prerequisite in the questions asked for my last application for a new rifle some 10 years ago.

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In Texas one can hunt deer with an AR-15 in .223/5.56.

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The smallest I have used for deer has been my .243. I have 2 AR-15s, but they are chambered in 6.5 Grendel and .358Yeti. I selected those calibers for hunting.  I also have a .22 Hornet, but I haven't used it for deer hunting even though I know it was commonly used by the Eskimo for taking polar bear. Shot placement is everything.

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Kasich is on CNN right now, pushing it.

And Trump just talked about it at the WH.
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You don't want one, I get that.

As for handguns, there is no guarantee that the body count would have been any less, and could have been more. It's more concealable, and reloading is easy. Magazines are lighter, too, enabling even more ammo to be carried. BTW, the AK-47 and the AR-15 ARE rifles.

Shooting a deer with a standard AR-15, 5.56 ammo is forbidden by law in my state. Prairie dogs and other varmints, including coyotes are fair game, but a deer requires (by law) a round of at least .25 caliber.
A multitude of other variants built on the same Stoner (AR) concept work just fine, in higher calibers. You can take a deer with an AK-47, if you choose. You can even lug around a 30 round magazine full of ammo if you want, but you'd better not shoot more than your tag limit (1). Fish and Game here get upset about that.

But because you don't want one, the rest of the country has to bend to your likes?

That isn't how Rights work.

Yesterday, somewhere between 9,999,999 and 4,999,999 Ar-15s were not used to slaughter people. I can't find any figures on the number of semiautomatic AK variants there are in the US, but the vast majority of those were apparently well behaved as well.

Still, in the off chance that some mob may come down my street, I don't want to jack in 5 and have to reload. Chances are with a mob, that they won't notice the damage and you'll be overrun--and oddly enough, all the Leftists/Liberals have been pushing for just that--mob violence, and during the last Administration, they even got some (Baltimore and Fergusson). Don't think that couldn't visit where you live.

I don't want a Ferrari. Got no use for one. Should they be prohibited? How about Hummel figurines? Beanie Babies? Lalique glassware? Rolex watches (after all, your dumb phone can keep track of time. You don't even need a smartphone). Should they be banned?

You decide what you want, and I'll stand up for your Right to do so, but kindly don't stand in between me and my Right to own what I want.

Two firearms out of millions were used in those incident. Two. For that millions of people who have done nothing wrong should suffer consequences?

Oh, Hell NO!
Where does it end though?  Ok...some people want AR's...fine.  What if I want a hand grenade?  Artillery gun?  Tank? Cruise missile?  Where do you draw the line?