House GOP fears retirement wave will lead to tsunami

[XenaLee]

Well, I din't know about @roamer_1  but I am not going to take responsibility for a Dem takeover of the presidency, house and possibly the senate.  I will blame Republicans, including Trump, for lying to us voters and making promises they had no intention of keeping.  They sat on their fat rears and did nothing for years -- even before Trump came along -- and now they want  us to vote for them again?  Sorry.  I won't be fooled again. 

If Republicans would get their act together, agree on a uniform platform that they all agree on that reflects what voters want, and put forth candidates voters would elect -- yes, I would vote Republican again.  But I don't see any of that happening anytime soon.

And voting for Republicans does not "save us" from the Democrats.  Republicans won't admit it, but they want many of the same things the Democrats want. They just want to get those things at a slower pace.

So.... in essence, you'll be voting (or not voting) for our national demise and destruction at turbo-speed via the radical leftist Democrats' control.... vs. our demise at a slower pace.   Got it.

[Victoria33]

I'm trying to remember when there was a balanced budget ... so again ... we're truly left with not voting, voting DEM, or voting GOP.  Everyone needs to decide what is best for them.

@libertybele

Kasich gave us two balanced budgets.  He left and no balanced budget since he left.

[Victoria33]

@roamer_1

I think those retiring are doing it to get away from Trump.  No one knows what he is going to say the next day and screw up something else.

[Wingnut]

@libertybele

Kasich gave us two balanced budgets.  He left and no balanced budget since he left.

Hey church pew mate.  Tell me again when Kasich was President? 

[txradioguy]

So.... in essence, you'll be voting (or not voting) for our national demise and destruction at turbo-speed via the radical leftist Democrats' control.... vs. our demise at a slower pace.   Got it.

So you're ok for the outcome to be the same no matter who's in the WH as log as it's your guy overseeing the demise.  Got it.

[Absalom]

What, no Trump re-election wave?     
Let's face reality, folks -  Trump as the nominee drags down the GOP ticket.    This has always been my greatest fear - not so much that a Democrat wins the Presidency, but that the GOP loses its Senate majority and the Dems can pillage at will.

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Indeed, Trump is much more than a drag, he's a severe impediment;
as his behavior signals increasing mental chaos every day.
The R's would be smart not to re-nominate him by kicking him out!!!

[txradioguy]

Hey church pew mate.  Tell me again when Kasich was President? 

He was chairman of the House Budget Committee for 6 years (1995-2001).  This was back in the day when the budget and spending bills were still emanating from the proper places...long before the Dems turned the budget into a slush fund.

[XenaLee]

So you're ok for the outcome to be the same no matter who's in the WH as log as it's your guy overseeing the demise.  Got it.

Hell no I'm not ok with our demise.   But if given the chance to vote for our demise next year.... vs. four years from now, I'll take the delay and hope/pray for a miracle.  I'm just funny that way.

[corbe]

   Many good points brought up in this Thread, thus far, (Thank You Briefers). 
   It's very likely I will hold my nose and vote for Trump in 2020, something I haven't done since 2008/McCain (hell, I didn't even vote for Cruz in 2018).
   It's as others up thread have so eloquently pointed out, Texas 38 EV's are important in the whole scheme of things. 
   Demographics are changing in Texas (Exhibit A: Cruz winning by only 2.4% here (unless it was, as I also believe, a bunch of Trumper butthurt)).

   It appears at this stage, I no longer have the luxury of a 3rd party protest vote against the unibrow party (dem/rep), another thing I can Thank Trump for.  (that last sentence was sarcasm)

[Wingnut]

He was chairman of the House Budget Committee for 6 years (1995-2001).  This was back in the day when the budget and spending bills were still emanating from the proper places...long before the Dems turned the budget into a slush fund.

Ah.  How soon we forget.  THX!

[txradioguy]

Hell no I'm not ok with our demise.   But if given the chance to vote for our demise next year.... vs. four years from now, I'll take the delay and hope/pray for a miracle.  I'm just funny that way.

Kicking the can down the road two years...four years however long and hoping for a "miracle" is why we're in the situation we're in now. 

[XenaLee]

Kicking the can down the road two years...four years however long and hoping for a "miracle" is why we're in the situation we're in now.

The way I see it is.... we have no other choice.  Literally.

[txradioguy]

The way I see it is.... we have no other choice.  Literally.

Yeah and THAT got us in this situation too.

[XenaLee]

Yeah and THAT got us in this situation too.

So tell me.   What's your solution?   What, at this point, will for shock-sure get us "out" of """this situation"""?  And please...

be realistic.

[txradioguy]

So tell me.   What's your solution?   What, at this point, will for shock-sure get us "out" of """this situation"""?  And please...

be realistic.

Nothing will be "realistic" to you at this point unless it's 110% unwavering support for Trump...which in reality is quite unrealistic.

But anyway...

People like McConnell...Cornyn and that tight little group of "moderates" that Mitch surrounds himself with...need to be sent home and replaced with Republicans that believe in Conservatism.  The RINO's in the House that supported the budgets that Trump said he'd never sign again but did... same for them.  We have the power to send a message...to put different people in office that look out for us...it's not like it hasn't been done before.

But it requires more than hope...and/or a miracle or just throwing up our hands and saying "there's nothing I can do".  It requires people actually getting off their ass and doing what it takes to wrest (via elections) power back from the left that even when they're not in power...still think they run the show.

1994 comes to mind.  That election blunted Clinton's attempts to drag us left.  Forced a lot of reforms and as @Victoria33 pointed out...gave us the last balanced budgets we've seen in our lifetime.

Sadly the same kind of infusion of new blood into the House and Senate on the GOP side may be what's needed to force Trump to stop lurching left especially in a second term.  We already know he can't or won't do it on his own.

[jmyrlefuller]

So tell me.   What's your solution?   What, at this point, will for shock-sure get us "out" of """this situation"""?  And please...

be realistic.

Of all the people lecturing to be realistic, you're the last one who should be one of them after you lectured so many of us in opposition to any Obamacare rollback because it wasn't total repeal all at once and you would rather have Obamacare still in place than any progress toward that goal.

[sneakypete]

He was chairman of the House Budget Committee for 6 years (1995-2001).  This was back in the day when the budget and spending bills were still emanating from the proper places...long before the Dems turned the budget into a slush fund.

@txradioguy

It's been nothing but a slush fund since King Franklin and his commie cousin/wife were in the WH.

[XenaLee]

Of all the people lecturing to be realistic, you're the last one who should be one of them after you lectured so many of us in opposition to any Obamacare rollback because it wasn't total repeal all at once and you would rather have Obamacare still in place than any progress toward that goal.

Umm.... you're obviously confused.  I have never wanted Obamacare 'still in place'.   And I don't recall lecturing anyone on the issue of an Obamacare "rollback"... whatever the hell that means.  Could you kindly link me to that post?

[sneakypete]

Kicking the can down the road two years...four years however long and hoping for a "miracle" is why we're in the situation we're in now.

@txradioguy

No,being Party Pod People who would vote for an orangutan if someone put a t-shirt with a Big Red R" on him is what got us where we are today. The Dim Party is hopeless,and the ONLY way we can hope to "fix" the alleged Republican Party is by scaring them. The Usual Suspects running for the office of president ARE them. They hate Trump because he ISN'T one of them,and he is rocking their apple cart.

Trump,on the other hand is in this for the ego boost,and no amount of money or anything else is as important to him as this is. He also knows he can ONLY serve one more 4 year term and is then out of office forever and will never have another opportunity like this to polish his image in the history books.

His whole ego right now is based on turning things around and making real changes that will save America PRECISELY because they will also save the image he has of himself,and other people will also share that image.


 

[libertybele]

Kicking the can down the road two years...four years however long and hoping for a "miracle" is why we're in the situation we're in now.

Very true, but if you see another option, please let me know.  I don't expect our Republic to remain in tact for very much longer.

[XenaLee]

Nothing will be "realistic" to you at this point unless it's 110% unwavering support for Trump...which in reality is quite unrealistic.

That's a pretty unfair crack coming from you.... since I'm not exactly a bona-fide, card-carrying Trump supporter.  More like a reluctant co-opted supporter.  So...color me surprised @you.

But anyway...

People like McConnell...Cornyn and that tight little group of "moderates" that Mitch surrounds himself with...need to be sent home and replaced with Republicans that believe in Conservatism.  The RINO's in the House that supported the budgets that Trump said he'd never sign again but did... same for them.  We have the power to send a message...to put different people in office that look out for us...it's not like it hasn't been done before.

Just as I suspected.  More pie in the sky (bullshit) rhetoric about what is most likely NOT going to happen next year.   Yes, of course, the establishment RINOs are a major obstacle.  But the RL is an even bigger one in my logic book. 

So...what "different people" would you put in office next year, specifically?   Got any names of who to vote for to replace the RINOs?   And no, we haven't exactly had a flaming success in that endeavor, thus far.   Bottom line is.... we have the choice to either support the GOP against the radical left next year...  or say the hell with it, who cares, it's a lost cause, or "we tried to vote out the RINOs again, but failed".  Sorry, but I'm just not feeling it. 

But it requires more than hope...and/or a miracle or just throwing up our hands and saying "there's nothing I can do".  It requires people actually getting off their ass and doing what it takes to wrest (via elections) power back from the left that even when they're not in power...still think they run the show.

1994 comes to mind.  That election blunted Clinton's attempts to drag us left.  Forced a lot of reforms and as @Victoria33 pointed out...gave us the last balanced budgets we've seen in our lifetime.

Sadly the same kind of infusion of new blood into the House and Senate on the GOP side may be what's needed to force Trump to stop lurching left especially in a second term.  We already know he can't or won't do it on his own.

It's a little late for that infusion at this point, don't you think?   We're now up against the communists, out of the closet and loud and proud.  And they are going for our collective jugulars.

If Trump turns out to go squishy (or Bushy) in his second term... and lets us down... at least our descent will have been slowed compared to how fast the commiecrats would have driven us down.  Reality sucks AND bites.

[jafo2010]

The negativity toward President Trump here is astounding to me.  Yes, he is caustic and abrasive, and I love him for it.  He is getting things done for the benefit of US citizens.  The Dem party has proven they only care about illegal invading aliens.

All you weak kneed folks worried about the Senate being lost, on what basis?  There is nothing to suggest such a scenario is in the making.  Fact is the GOP does NOT have a voting majority, and most likely will not after the election in 2020.  However, if they can gain a voting majority and win the House, and I believe both are possible, more so than the GOP losing the Senate, then Trump will have the best 2nd term of any president in history.

I thank God every day Trump is president.  If corrupt HR Clinton had become president, she would have continued on the God forsaken track of Obama, the worst president in history.

[txradioguy]

@txradioguy

It's been nothing but a slush fund since King Franklin and his commie cousin/wife were in the WH.

There was still a bit of an ordered approach to where and how spending bills were generated and sent up for approval even under King Franklin I.

They didn't really start becoming the norm IIRC until Tipsy O'Neill was Speaker and it was used as a weapon of sorts to try and blunt the reforms Reagan was trying to enact.

[txradioguy]

The negativity toward President Trump here is astounding to me.  Yes, he is caustic and abrasive, and I love him for it.  He is getting things done for the benefit of US citizens.  The Dem party has proven they only care about illegal invading aliens.

Still don't see the wall.  Hillary still isn't locked up.  Obamacare still in place. China still not brought to heel.  Norks still making nukes and testing rockets.  Oh and the deficits and deficit spending is busting out bigger than before thanks to the "deal" the Republicans and the Democrats worked out (with NO money for the wall).  Trump is gonna sign it despite the fact that he said he'd never sign a budget like the last one he signed every again.   Then there's that promise to eliminate the deficit in 8 years.

All you weak kneed folks worried about the Senate being lost, on what basis?  There is nothing to suggest such a scenario is in the making.  Fact is the GOP does NOT have a voting majority, and most likely will not after the election in 2020.  However, if they can gain a voting majority and win the House, and I believe both are possible, more so than the GOP losing the Senate, then Trump will have the best 2nd term of any president in history.

Lots of hopes and wishes in there that historically don't hold up for a second term presidency.  Especially one that's been trashed the way Trump's has by the media and the left.

I thank God every day Trump is president.  If corrupt HR Clinton had become president, she would have continued on the God forsaken track of Obama, the worst president in history.

But imagine how much better off if so many people hadn't bought into the notion...fictitious as it was...that Trump was our only hope of beating Hillary.

[txradioguy]

That's a pretty unfair crack coming from you.... since I'm not exactly a bona-fide, card-carrying Trump supporter.  More like a reluctant co-opted supporter.  So...color me surprised @you.

Just as I suspected.  More pie in the sky (bullshit) rhetoric about what is most likely NOT going to happen next year.   Yes, of course, the establishment RINOs are a major obstacle.  But the RL is an even bigger one in my logic book. 

So...what "different people" would you put in office next year, specifically?   Got any names of who to vote for to replace the RINOs?   And no, we haven't exactly had a flaming success in that endeavor, thus far.   Bottom line is.... we have the choice to either support the GOP against the radical left next year...  or say the hell with it, who cares, it's a lost cause, or "we tried to vote out the RINOs again, but failed".  Sorry, but I'm just not feeling it. 

It's a little late for that infusion at this point, don't you think?   We're now up against the communists, out of the closet and loud and proud.  And they are going for our collective jugulars.

If Trump turns out to go squishy (or Bushy) in his second term... and lets us down... at least our descent will have been slowed compared to how fast the commiecrats would have driven us down.  Reality sucks AND bites.

There's no helping your particular case of TDS.  It's actually a strain that's worse than the Democrats strain of the same disease.

Like I said at the outset and your knee jerk response to what I laid out has proven...you're not really concerned about the demise...you're only worry/hope/etc is that it's "your guy" in charge of it.