House GOP fears retirement wave will lead to tsunami

[Jazzhead]

"The press has given up all pretense of respect" for Trump.

Honestly?

Don't be dishonest and twist my words.   I said they have given up all pretense of respect for the Presidency - that is, for the office and what it represents in our Constitutional republic - because of their irrational hatred for a man.   

[libertybele]

Well, that rosy economy is already showing signs of falling apart.  Not that I've seen the low employment in my area that everyone talks about.

Neither Trump nor either of the two major parties give a flying fig about the border problem.  If they did, they would have done something by now. 

Tax cuts?  What happened to that?  There was a tax tweak that didn't benefit most of the people I know.  We were promised more would come, but I haven't seen it yet and I doubt we will.

Second Amendment?  Well, I'm not so sure either party cares about that.  There have been "bipartisan gun control measures" floating around. Look for some kind of gun  control , no matter which party is in charge.

And how pro-Israel is this country if it's selling arms to Saudi Arabia? 

You are looking for things to happen that have been promised for a long time.  If these promises haven't been kept by now, what makes you think if Trump and the Republicans remain in charge or get back in charge that those promises will be kept?

I beg to differ.  The economy has been doing great. Unemployment is historically low.  The relations with Israel have been rekindled.  Last year was the first year in a very long time that my husband and I actually received a tax refund. 

Look, I have never been a Trump supporter, but I find myself oddly defending him.  Like him or not he IS standing between us and the radical left.

Everyone has to vote their conscience whether it be to abstain, vote for the GOP or vote DEM.  Those are the choices.  I opt to vote against the radical left.

[roamer_1]

No, those aren't candy, but specific policies that will be continued if the Republicans prevail and abolished if the Dems win.   "Priniciple"  and a buck fifty gets you a Diet Coke.   The starving man wants a full loaf, but can survive on just a half.    If the Dems sweep the government,  they will be in a position to impose socialism and break your back.   

At times a pragmatic vote is necessary.   But it is still too early to resort to that.

YES, it IS candy - You can't claim a tax cut and 'roaring' economy, and ignore the principles of a balanced budget and tax cuts offset by spending cuts. Not to mention TRILLIONS more in spending... The PRINCIPLE of the thing is ignored in order to favor a very short term benefit - which without the principle, will become a long, long, long term deficit.

That is candy. That is eating your dessert instead of your supper.
Holy crap, how I wish folks would think things through!

[libertybele]

Don't be dishonest and twist my words.   I said they have given up all pretense of respect for the Presidency - that is, for the office and what it represents in our Constitutional republic - because of their irrational hatred for a man.   

Well, the MSM didn't like Bush either.  IMHO respect for the Presidency ended when Clinton was impeached and they failed to remove him.  It was at that point that the DEMS realized that they weren't going to be held responsible or accountable and they could get away with doing whatever the heck they wanted.

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete

What the hell are you goin on about now?

@roamer_1

Why Islam doesn't qualify as a religion in the US,and some of the things that sits it apart from the beliefs that do qualify as religions.

It's really not all that hard to figure out.

[roamer_1]

??? Are you denying that the economy has been better under Trump than Bammy and that unemployment is down, we still have rights under the 2A and he's taken a pro-stance with Israel?

No, I am denying that it matters.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

Why Islam doesn't qualify as a religion in the US,and some of the things that sits it apart from the beliefs that do qualify as religions.

It's really not all that hard to figure out.

@sneakypete
I think you're in the wrong thread, dude.

[libertybele]

YES, it IS candy - You can't claim a tax cut and 'roaring' economy, and ignore the principles of a balanced budget and tax cuts offset by spending cuts. Not to mention TRILLIONS more in spending... The PRINCIPLE of the thing is ignored in order to favor a very short term benefit - which without the principle, will become a long, long, long term deficit.

That is candy. That is eating your dessert instead of your supper.
Holy crap, how I wish folks would think things through!

I'm trying to remember when there was a balanced budget ... so again ... we're truly left with not voting, voting DEM, or voting GOP.  Everyone needs to decide what is best for them.

[libertybele]

No, I am denying that it matters.

OK...the #1 priority for me has always been the 2A as I believe without it we will have no rights.  I don't see that any DEM will leave the 2A untouched.  Therefore for me, I have to vote against them period.

[roamer_1]

I'm trying to remember when there was a balanced budget ... so again ... we're truly left with not voting, voting DEM, or voting GOP.  Everyone needs to decide what is best for them.

Yeah... Just keep voting for no balanced budget and astronomical spending of borrowed money... That'll fix it. Those rascally Republicans will sure get your message.

[Wingnut]

That's it right there, @The Ghost.

If you cling to the beliefs that Trump is doing everything "wrong," because he isn't doing it the way that it has been done, then you simply can't see what is really going on.  With that mindset, it is really easy to just call him an idiot that doesn't know what he is doing...

@EdJames

Bingo, and even that kind of thinking is part of the big ole tar baby, the call for impeachment.  .

[txradioguy]

Trump must,  like LBJ in 1968,  step down as the nominee to save both to save his own legacy and to ensure a future for his priorities.

Actually if Cronkite hadn't lied about the Tet Offensive LBJ wouldn't have stepped down and would have run for another term.

[roamer_1]

OK...the #1 priority for me has always been the 2A as I believe without it we will have no rights.  I don't see that any DEM will leave the 2A untouched.  Therefore for me, I have to vote against them period.

So what? Tump didn't leave it untouched either. Remember the bump-stock thing that will prove to further erode semi-automatic weapons ownership?

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete

No, that would be your hero, Trump.

@Applewood

ADD? Where have I ever claimed Trump is my hero? Or even that I liked him personally?

This ain't about winning a personality contest,it is about keeping the Bill of Rights as the foundation of our nation.

I guess bargain shopping is more important to some people,though.  The Clintons and the Bushes thank you for your patronage.

[sneakypete]

Don't be dishonest and twist my words.   I said they have given up all pretense of respect for the Presidency - that is, for the office and what it represents in our Constitutional republic - because of their irrational hatred for a man.   

@Jazzhead

I disagree. The left and their kissing cousins,the globalist capitalists, have NEVER had anything but contempt for our Constitutional Republic. The only thing that is new is that they aren't even trying to pretend they do anymore.

[sneakypete]

Actually if Cronkite hadn't lied about the Tet Offensive LBJ wouldn't have stepped down and would have run for another term.

@txradioguy

Do you think the Kennedy Klan paid him to do that,or that he did it out of love for them because they were long-time friends and even neighbors in the Hamptons?

Looking back,I think it is possible the northern elites in the Dim Party hated LBJ even more than the alleged Republican Party People of today hate Trump.

[dfwgator]

Cleaning out the dead weight.

[libertybele]

Yeah... Just keep voting for no balanced budget and astronomical spending of borrowed money... That'll fix it. Those rascally Republicans will sure get your message.

Do you think by not voting GOP and allowing the radical left to take over is going to resolve the issue of a balanced budget?  The GOP didn't get the message when Bammy won over both McCain and Romney.  I really think we're beyond sending any message.

We may be able to re-elect Trump in 2020.  Unless the radical left is stopped and the invasion at the border is curtailed, the GOP will be unable to defeat the DEMS in 2024.  The only person that has any chance whatsoever of doing that right now is DJT.  No one else is stepping up to the plate.  Do I completely trust that he won't change after election?  Absolutely not. 

[skeeter]

Don't be dishonest and twist my words.   I said they have given up all pretense of respect for the Presidency - that is, for the office and what it represents in our Constitutional republic - because of their irrational hatred for a man.   

Thats quite a logical contortion. I'll stick with my characterization.

[txradioguy]

@txradioguy

Do you think the Kennedy Klan paid him to do that,or that he did it out of love for them because they were long-time friends and even neighbors in the Hamptons?

Looking back,I think it is possible the northern elites in the Dim Party hated LBJ even more than the alleged Republican Party People of today hate Trump.

I don't know honestly.  Johnson was an old school wheeler and dealer from back when he was in the House and from his time as Senate Majority leader.  He knew how to twist arms and where the bodies were buried to the point he could have blunted any Northern Elites in the party from stopping is reelection.

He probably believed at the time that Cronkite was telling the truth.  After his reports from Vietnam is when public support for the war truly began to go south and the whole counterculture revolution started to take off.

[libertybele]

So what? Tump didn't leave it untouched either. Remember the bump-stock thing that will prove to further erode semi-automatic weapons ownership?

Yes indeed.  No, I haven't forgotten.  Do I trust him if re-elected not to dismantle the 2A any further? Not completely.  Do I trust that the DEMS will dismantle the 2A?  Absolutely.  I have no doubt.

Yes, to me, this election is a damned-if-you-do and damned-if-you don't election once again.  I voted IND during the McCain/Bammy election as I thought both would destroy this country and only difference between the two was that Bammy would destroy it quicker than McCain.  I didn't see much difference between the two as McCain ordinarily voted along side the DEMS anyways.

I do see difference between Trump and the DEMS and yes he's caved to them; however, he's also stood against them.

We can ping pong this back and forth, but by all means, absolutely, do what your conscience tells you to do.

[roamer_1]

Do you think by not voting GOP and allowing the radical left to take over is going to resolve the issue of a balanced budget?  The GOP didn't get the message when Bammy won over both McCain and Romney.  I really think we're beyond sending any message.

That is why I don't vote for them anymore. That is why voting for the lesser evil is drawing us further and further into the hole...

I DO know this: Nothing else matters if we don't stop hemorrhaging money.

We may be able to re-elect Trump in 2020. 

I really don't care. He doesn't stand upon a single Conservative principle. He's a big-spending NYC liberal, and I really, REALLY can't see what you're buying.

Unless the radical left is stopped and the invasion at the border is curtailed, the GOP will be unable to defeat the DEMS in 2024.  The only person that has any chance whatsoever of doing that right now is DJT.  No one else is stepping up to the plate.  Do I completely trust that he won't change after election?  Absolutely not.

Voting against the Dems (which is what so many say they are doing) is really only and ever APPROVING the direction of the Republicans. I absolutely do NOT approve.

You can only vote *FOR*... Against means nothing, because the winner will think it is a mandate for them... not a vote against their opponent. Look at the last election... Ol Tumpy went roaring in like he just won the biggest win ever, when really, he barely eked out a win at all - And that against the most uninspiring Dem candidate in a century, who pissed off half her base by stepping on Bernie...

But Tump, he thinks he's got a mandate... And so do a lot of folks here.

[roamer_1]

Yes indeed.  No, I haven't forgotten.  Do I trust him if re-elected not to dismantle the 2A any further? Not completely.  Do I trust that the DEMS will dismantle the 2A?  Absolutely.  I have no doubt.

FUD. The Conservative states would not stand for it.

And don't forget, Ol Tump won't be bound if you put him in there this time. He won't have to stand another election, so he will do whatever he wants... and you may well rue the day.

We can ping pong this back and forth, but by all means, absolutely, do what your conscience tells you to do.

Oh, you can bet money on that one. And I know you will too. 

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Don't be dishonest and twist my words.   I said they have given up all pretense of respect for the Presidency - that is, for the office and what it represents in our Constitutional republic - because of their irrational hatred for a man.   

I think if you asked them, they'd say they still have immense respect for the office -- just not for the current occupant whom they consider unworthy.

[XenaLee]

I can't think of any DEM running that doesn't go against the very principles that I stand for...so again...I will vote AGAINST the radical left and vote Trump in order to stop them.

Ditto.