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Re: Can a serious Democrat please run for president?
« Reply #25 on: July 11, 2019, 01:28:44 PM »
And btw, @catfish1957 , me too.
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If Zell Miller were still alive and still a democrat, no way would I vote for him.
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Re: Can a serious Democrat please run for president?
« Reply #26 on: July 11, 2019, 01:31:54 PM »
So this place is really the democrat briefing room?

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Re: Can a serious Democrat please run for president?
« Reply #27 on: July 11, 2019, 02:04:54 PM »
Why is the GOP called the Stupid Party?

Because when a windfall like Trump occupies the Oval Office, yet the GOP plots/considers to reverse that beneficial condition.

How about devoting the energy towards finding and electing better Republicans?


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Re: Can a serious Democrat please run for president?
« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2019, 02:13:03 PM »
If Zell Miller were still alive and still a democrat, no way would I vote for him.

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Re: Can a serious Democrat please run for president?
« Reply #29 on: July 11, 2019, 02:33:06 PM »
If Zell Miller were still alive and still a democrat, no way would I vote for him.

I don't give a crap about the big blue rhinestone 'D', anymore than I do the big red rhinestone 'R'. Both of em are full of crap, and against the American people.

Voting for either one because of the designation is just as bad.
Communist imposition run by the UN, or global socialist 'New World Order' run out of the board rooms... Take your pick.

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Re: Can a serious Democrat please run for president?
« Reply #30 on: July 11, 2019, 02:34:15 PM »
Why is the GOP called the Stupid Party?

Because when a windfall like Trump occupies the Oval Office, yet the GOP plots/considers to reverse that beneficial condition.

How about devoting the energy towards finding and electing better Republicans?

What windfall?

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Re: Can a serious Democrat please run for president?
« Reply #31 on: July 11, 2019, 02:42:00 PM »
What windfall?

The windfall is for the Democrats,  now on the verge of nominating and electing a socialist progressive to be President of the United States,  all because of the opportunity presented by the Trump trainwreck.   
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Re: Can a serious Democrat please run for president?
« Reply #32 on: July 11, 2019, 03:02:51 PM »
The windfall is for the Democrats,  now on the verge of nominating and electing a socialist progressive to be President of the United States,  all because of the opportunity presented by the Trump trainwreck.

I guess that's the fault of all these conservatives for resisting the Rats.  Political life would be peaceful of we would just cave in and let the Rats have what they want.
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Re: Can a serious Democrat please run for president?
« Reply #33 on: July 11, 2019, 03:06:44 PM »
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Line up Zell Miller and Donald Trump, and look at their life long positions on issues.  3 guess which one is more conservative.....   and it a'int the orange guy.
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Re: Can a serious Democrat please run for president?
« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2019, 03:20:04 PM »
Line up Zell Miller and Donald Trump, and look at their life long positions on issues.  3 guess which one is more conservative.....   and it a'int the orange guy.

As I recall Zell wrote a book about the Democrat party.



You should read it!

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Re: Can a serious Democrat please run for president?
« Reply #35 on: July 11, 2019, 03:34:43 PM »
I guess that's the fault of all these conservatives for resisting the Rats.  Political life would be peaceful of we would just cave in and let the Rats have what they want.

Fighting back isn't the issue.   If all Trump were doing was fighting back I'd be cheering him on.   But his "leadership" is impulsive and erratic and driven by his ego and aversion to criticism.   I understand the "he may be a fool but he's our fool" mentality,  but he's created the likelihood that a radical progressive will win the Presidency.         
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Re: Can a serious Democrat please run for president?
« Reply #36 on: July 11, 2019, 04:07:50 PM »
Line up Zell Miller and Donald Trump, and look at their life long positions on issues.  3 guess which one is more conservative.....   and it a'int the orange guy.

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Re: Can a serious Democrat please run for president?
« Reply #37 on: July 11, 2019, 04:12:28 PM »
The windfall is for the Democrats,  now on the verge of nominating and electing a socialist progressive to be President of the United States,  all because of the opportunity presented by the Trump trainwreck.

That is yet to be determined... But it is not a far fetched position.
The GOTV for democrats will be simple, with the opposition against Tump being white-hot.
Republicans better work at jacking up their numbers, because there will not be any Democrats sitting it out, regardless of the candidate.

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Re: Can a serious Democrat please run for president?
« Reply #38 on: July 11, 2019, 04:20:13 PM »
Fighting back isn't the issue.   If all Trump were doing was fighting back I'd be cheering him on.   But his "leadership" is impulsive and erratic and driven by his ego and aversion to criticism.   I understand the "he may be a fool but he's our fool" mentality,  but he's created the likelihood that a radical progressive will win the Presidency.         

There are no Zell Millers anymore.

No other Republican, and no 3rd party kook, can win.


That is the truth. John Anderson, Ross Perot, Pat Buchanan, Harry Browne, Gary Johnston, Evan McMuffin, just a bit of the evidence.


Polls demonstrates that most Republicans will support Trump.

But you folks go ahead and romp around in political fantasyland, and prove my post from awhile ago:

3rd party kook site @Jazzhead @roamer_1   
again.
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Re: Can a serious Democrat please run for president?
« Reply #39 on: July 11, 2019, 04:23:23 PM »
Bolted up in bed.  Alright, I get up every 2-1/2 hours, this time wondering:

Hillary Clinton feels she won the Popular Vote and thus is the rightful POTUS, why hasn't she appeared as 'The Sane One', like some Joan of Arc?    :shrug:


We have to figure that "President" Trump has all the real dirt on her now...so maybe that's why she's still waking up every morning in her own vomit?

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Re: Can a serious Democrat please run for president?
« Reply #40 on: July 11, 2019, 04:41:16 PM »
Republicans better work at jacking up their numbers, because there will not be any Democrats sitting it out, regardless of the candidate.

At any time other than the present,  a booming economy and historically low unemployment would give a huge boost to the incumbent.   But not this time.   This is the anomalous situation where folks are so tired of the President's antics that the election will be a referendum on the man himself,  not on the millions of jobs and opportunities created by his, and the GOP Congress', policies.

That's as Trump, it appears, wants it.   But it creates an opportunity for the Dems to sneak in a progressive socialist and seize full control of Congress,  a truly disastrous result for everything we hold dear.

It is not too late to thank Trump for his service and urge him, for the good of his legacy and the nation, to decline to run for re-election.     

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Re: Can a serious Democrat please run for president?
« Reply #41 on: July 11, 2019, 04:59:02 PM »
There are no Zell Millers anymore.
No other Republican, and no 3rd party kook, can win.

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So what? Somehow I get a Karl Rovian "where else they gonna go?" spirit coming out of you.
I'll tell you where they're going to go - HOME.

As it is, if there were ONLY a Republican and Democrat to vote for, predicting the candidates, I just wouldn't bother voting. I got no dog in this hunt.

And y'all better figure that out, because you've BARELY dragged their fat asses over the finish line - That is, the last three Republican wins - by the skin of your teeth.

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Re: Can a serious Democrat please run for president?
« Reply #42 on: July 11, 2019, 05:00:53 PM »
Fighting back isn't the issue.   If all Trump were doing was fighting back I'd be cheering him on.   But his "leadership" is impulsive and erratic and driven by his ego and aversion to criticism.   
       

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All that,and he was and is STILL far superior to any of the usual alleged Republican regulars.
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Re: Can a serious Democrat please run for president?
« Reply #43 on: July 11, 2019, 05:01:13 PM »
The only thing I know about Zell...is that he gives a darn good fiery speech.

If he were alive...maybe the Pubs could hire him to speak. He had me on my feet at home.

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Re: Can a serious Democrat please run for president?
« Reply #44 on: July 11, 2019, 05:02:57 PM »


 
But you folks go ahead and romp around in political fantasyland, and prove my post from awhile ago:

3rd party kook site @Jazzhead @roamer_1   
again.

@truth_seeker

What they all want is another "solid Republican" like Poppy or Boy Jorge.
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Re: Can a serious Democrat please run for president?
« Reply #45 on: July 11, 2019, 05:04:56 PM »
At any time other than the present,  a booming economy and historically low unemployment would give a huge boost to the incumbent.   But not this time.   This is the anomalous situation where folks are so tired of the President's antics that the election will be a referendum on the man himself,  not on the millions of jobs and opportunities created by his, and the GOP Congress', policies.

That's as Trump, it appears, wants it.   But it creates an opportunity for the Dems to sneak in a progressive socialist and seize full control of Congress,  a truly disastrous result for everything we hold dear.

It is not too late to thank Trump for his service and urge him, for the good of his legacy and the nation, to decline to run for re-election.     

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Give it a rest. You are not fooling anyone. What you want is another RINO like Bush.
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Re: Can a serious Democrat please run for president?
« Reply #46 on: July 11, 2019, 05:13:45 PM »
@truth_seeker

What they all want is another "solid Republican" like Poppy or Boy Jorge.

Oh horse crap, @sneakypete , and you know it. We just had this conversation in the last couple weeks.
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Re: Can a serious Democrat please run for president?
« Reply #47 on: July 11, 2019, 05:14:55 PM »
The only thing I know about Zell...is that he gives a darn good fiery speech.

If he were alive...maybe the Pubs could hire him to speak. He had me on my feet at home.

That's right. And he meant it.
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Re: Can a serious Democrat please run for president?
« Reply #48 on: July 11, 2019, 05:20:04 PM »

One side or the other willing to offer up a grownup would be a sign of healing.

I think there is a bit too much emphasis on "tone" being the problem.  Trump is a loudmouthed brawler, but he didn't create the rather massive policy differences that so divide very large chunks of voters in this country.  You could slap a bandaid of civility on the conversations, but the truth is that we'd still be just as far from compromise solutions.

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Re: Can a serious Democrat please run for president?
« Reply #49 on: July 11, 2019, 05:51:12 PM »
I think there is a bit too much emphasis on "tone" being the problem.  Trump is a loudmouthed brawler, but he didn't create the rather massive policy differences that so divide very large chunks of voters in this country.  You could slap a bandaid of civility on the conversations, but the truth is that we'd still be just as far from compromise solutions.

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I think you are wrong - But not for the reason you state.
Yes I care somewhat about tone - Civility is important, and one can be firm in conviction without being boorish. But more to the point, he pisses people off just for the sake of pissing them off, with nothing to gain... And what that translates to is very extreme determination in his opponents.

And the proof of that is the white-hot anger against him, when really, he has not moved the status quo enough to worry about.

I will not say that will, like @Jazzhead , but I will say that very well may cause a very determined left to roll out one helluva GOTV...

And that's just plain dumb.
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