Joe wrote:
"Here is the thing we are commonly ignoring, as conservatives. Once you get away from the urban gang types, most of the Hispanic people I have known are family oriented, and tend very strongly to be conservative."
No, Joe.
The "color of the population" inevitably reflects its culture and its politics.
For the sake of argument, what if the percentage of Hispanics in California was still the same as it was in, say, 1955?
And also, what if the percentage of Asians in California was still the same as it was in 1955?
Would you assert that if that were so, that California would be more or less liberal/progressive as it is today?
Would you assert that the democrat-communists would have more or less power than they have in that state today?
Obviously, the politics of California TODAY are much-changed than they were in 1955.
What portion of the population is now A MINORITY in California today?
I can't speak for California, except to say it looks like a nice place if the big wave would just wash all the liberals overboard. That might stink for a while, but a year or so later, the scavengers would have things cleaned up pretty well.
From the cheap seats, the colors of California include a prominent rainbow, the Red of Communism, bolstered by Hollywood, and the image makers have attracted a large contingent of stupid white people who vote for that. Not all the urban votes are Black, Oriental, or Mexican. Some of that complexion change is from stupid white liberals pandering to just about anyone they can on the superficial basis of race, so they can keep their lilly white asses in power. That's worked swimmingly, and they have not only kept power, but consolidated it to the point that even some of the working folks think they should be pampered, too.
The result is a State more in debt than most countries, pissing money away like they are the ones who are printing it, trying to buy even more votes as people wise up and move away. Only their propaganda and control industries remain unmolested. Others stay because that's where the resources are they (often with great difficulty) make their livings from.
Have things improved in Watts? Compton? Is life for the plantation denizens any better? we know the answer to that.
California sure seems to have plenty of resources no one there wants anyone to use, while whining that other people use their resources where they are, and often trying to prevent that, even though a significant number of Californians seem to feel they are entitled to those resources. And there are lots of smug folks trying to tell the 'root hog or die' productive people in this country they can't use their resources to be productive.
Anyone who assimilates to
that has a screw loose, imho.
So, look what someone in California would assimilate to. Other Communist dominated (call 'em what they are, they hate that) parts of the country are similar, claim to be 'sanctuaries' while they really are just looking for a new pet underclass to milk for cheap labor for grunt jobs and votes.
That (urban, liberal) culture is as alien to those of us in the Northern Plains as what they believe got off (the whatever it was they think that came down) at Roswell.
I guess my experience (which is what I was talking about) is limited to the hard working people I have met in the cultural context I live in, and for the most part, they are good, solid, family oriented folks who are hard working. These are the people the Dems
claim to be courting while they are stocking their sanctuary plantations, who won't have any part of that. The Dems are looking for useful idiots, socialist no-loads, the uneducated who don't even understand what they are being told, just that they get paid to believe it. There is no self-respect in that, and the Dems will reap resentment sooner or later, just as many Blacks are resenting their pandering crap after a half century of destroying what their people could have been, where people fell for that crap. Elsewhere, there are plenty of Conservative, hard-working Blacks doing just fine, except dealing with any onus from the reputation the urban plantation dwellers have gained thanks to the Dems social programs.
But folks here weren't sponsored by the Dems, no one is waving La Raza banners here. This 'be an American' stuff is pretty attractive to people who just want a chance to stand on their own two feet (the real reason most came here in the first place), and there is a strong contingent of 'real men' who won't settle for being the pawns of some skank at Social Services when they can go earn a living. Of course, the future pawns are attracted by the pandering pimps of California's cities, and they will likely be trapped by the very liberal nectar that brings them in. Where does that lead? To the breakdown of their families, to the destruction of their culture, or to balkanization within that context to survive with some faint modicum of self-respect.
How are the Blacks doing on the urban plantations? How are the Dems going to deal with the cross-cultural difficulties which are almost inevitable when they find out they are in the back of the Democrat Bus again?
Mover a la espalda!Locally, from what I know, and in contrast to the urban La Raza/BLM/Antifa Socialist Democrats, these are the people who don't want illegals in here either, because they don't want to be assumed to be some 'welfare wetback'.
They work for a living, establish businesses, and do good work. For that, they earn respect among what was once a population overwhelmingly of Norwegian/German ancestry. with a relatively small Native American contingent.
If conservatives play on that desire to be productive, to be respected, to be a part of something bigger and better, they can win hearts and minds--and Americans. Votes will follow.
If they ignore that, their disdain will push these people into the other camp where they are promised handouts for votes, just because they have no place else to go.
One of the stupidest things anyone can do is to make enemies unnecessarily.
