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Offline libertybele

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Oh, and for the record, I think Cruz is wrong on this.  I think he should support the tariff effort.

As I stated previously, I believe Cruz is doing what is best for TX., but I also believe that in addition to criticizing Trump's effort with tariffs, he needs to put in his two cents as to what he thinks a plausible solution may be at this point.  I don't see that the President has many options left.

At this point in time, we cannot continue to do what we are doing; obviously it isn't working.
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@Hoodat, you know I love you, but do you expect us to fix the problem with no effort or pain on our part?

If the goal is to inhibit Chinese imports, then simply ban Chinese Imports. Tariffs still allow the Chinese to sell the goods but punish Americans for buying them.
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Nothing punishes China quite like raising taxes on American consumers.

Good, side with the Chi-Coms,

Levine, probably Cruz and many others are not.

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These tariffs against China are not like tariffs against an ally, Japan,  as if they were building better cars, I think Reagan still imposed tariffs on Japan btw. It's because the whole scenario with China is unfair and they steal intellectual property. It sounds like the tariffs against China have a good chance of succeeding. Sometimes, we've got to bite the bullet.

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   Had to put on my waders to get through the Cruz Hate on this one.



   Hey, Trumpers it's been over 3 years since Cruz dropped out, get over yourselves.
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Good grief.  He's not doing what you want (and what is NOT his job), so he's a failure.   *****rollingeyes*****

Good grief right back at ya.  He has not been able to push forward one piece of legislation with his name on it in 7 years …. I could throw Jello at the wall and hope something sticks, too @Sanguine -- but that wouldn't make me effective or a leader.   So, maybe not a failure, but certainly not a success.   :patriot:


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Good, side with the Chi-Coms,

I'm not siding with the Chi-Coms. I'm siding what's best for the American Consumer.

Compare that with what you propose - cintinuinf to buy goods from China, but making Americans pay taxes on them.  It's the exact same thing Obama did.
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   Had to put on my waders to get through the Cruz Hate on this one.

   Hey, Trumpers it's been over 3 years since Cruz dropped out, get over yourselves. 

Here's a hint:  stop turning every Cruz thread into a negative thread about the President.  If you do this … you can talk about your favorite boy until the cows tip over without any interruption ---at least from me.    :beer:

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   Had to put on my waders to get through the Cruz Hate on this one.



   Hey, Trumpers it's been over 3 years since Cruz dropped out, get over yourselves.

Apparently, you have a blind spot for other posts then. I'd say the hate is pretty well equal here.

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Trump plans to declare new national emergency to impose tariffs

By Rafael Bernal  and Jordan Fabian - 06/06/19 05:28 PM EDT


President Trump is planning to declare a new national emergency in order to implement sweeping tariffs on Mexico over the flow of Central American migrants to the U.S., according to a draft document of the declaration reviewed by The Hill.

According to the document, the new emergency is necessary due to "the failure of the Government of Mexico to take effective action to reduce the mass migration of aliens illegally crossing into the United States through Mexico."

The new emergency declaration would follow a February emergency declaration, which Trump used to justify sending National Guard troops to support Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officials at the southern border.

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https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/447374-trump-plans-to-declare-new-national-emergency-to-impose-tariffs


    This may be an I.D.I.O.T.   (It Deserves It's own Thread)
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Apparently, you have a blind spot for other posts then. I'd say the hate is pretty well equal here.

@corbe

Hate?  No, that's on the haters.  But the stupidity is crippling!

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Good grief right back at ya.  He has not been able to push forward one piece of legislation with his name on it in 7 years …. I could throw Jello at the wall and hope something sticks, too @Sanguine -- but that wouldn't make me effective or a leader.   So, maybe not a failure, but certainly not a success.   :patriot:

What you are saying is absolutely NOT true.  Nice try.
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Yes he is, President Trump is trying to force Mexico to secure it's border with the US. Cruz is opposing
our president on that. Cruz is effectively siding with the drug cartels that want to keep the border open.
I hope lyin Ted has a primary opponent in 24, I don't want to have to vote for him again. I want him out
of the Senate.


He is not.  It was just a few weeks ago that Trump was going to give Mexico a year.  What happened to that?  Its obvious that the President has no real plan and he is working on desperation.  It is a desperate situation.  I will for now stop short of criticism but he is tariffs on all fronts.  Yes its costing Americans.  It is all costing and whether there will be a benefit remains to be seen.  And think about it.  Trump is saying American companies are going to be coming back.  He must be talking about long term tariffs because a company is not easily moved.  There would be yuge expenses.  Sounds like he is in there for the long haul, and so are we then.   And we are supposed to believe him? 


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AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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On this D-day, our heroic gave all for freedom. Now, we hear the molly-coddling of complaining all the time that it's about "me-me-me", like JFK said, "Don't ask what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country",  you need to think of others sometimes.

Tariffs!
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On this D-day, our heroic gave all for freedom. Now, we hear the molly-coddling of complaining all the time that it's about "me-me-me", like JFK said, "Don't ask what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country",  you need to think of others sometimes.




I am doing for the country all the time.  Working to pay the taxes.  I got census from Republican party.  Started reading and the first thing I saw was consider giving a generous donation.  Guess what?  It went right into the trash.  I don't consider myself a Republican anymore.  Furthermore they already get a generous amount of my paycheck.



I hope that Trump has already stopped all aid to Mexico

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/01/26/us-aid-320-million-mexico-wall-trump-specialists-backfire/97103024/
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AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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Mexico already froze some bank accounts of human traffickers just today.

http://news.trust.org/item/20190606203605-oocrd/

So hopefully, this helps. I would have thought the human traffickers would have been small time gangsters but it certainly seems like it is a lucrative business, charging usually a lot, I think I hear a few thousand.

Sometimes, we impose tariffs because we know something, Japan was dumping merchandise when Reagan was president, that is one reason he imposed tariffs on them in '87.. this is just off the top of my head. I think he imposed tariffs on them in '81 too.

You could look at this, it's not normal trade, the system is in their favor.

The Chinese supposedly:

"For years,Wall Street has been getting rich helping Chinese companies raise money on U.S. stock exchanges without requiring them to meet basic U.S. standards for transparency. This is a huge & growing risk to our economy that can no longer be ignored." - Rubio
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Meanwhile in other news #Mexico suddenly willing to discuss changing asylum rules & border enforcement including migrants being required to seek asylum in first country they enter rather than in the U.S & Mexico sending 6K troops to border with Guatemala
https://twitter.com/marcorubio

Maybe this is working some, this post and the last twitter post by Rubio I posted might actually be pretty simple stuff but maybe it wasn't done as a favor.

It's wrong and it's sinful to just let foreign countries or foreigners to just plunder our resources, the treasonous, treacherous Democrats would let that happen though... at least, they are saying, Dems are wary of China.