Mexican government admits 80% of its populated territory is run by cartels, including key border are

[dfwgator]

Been saying it for years, eventually the US will have to invade and occupy Mexico,  just a matter of when.

[Sanguine]

Been saying it for years, eventually the US will have to invade and occupy Mexico,  just a matter of when.

And, then what do we do with it?  You think Afghanistan is ungovernable, wait till you see Mexico!

[libertybele]

And, then what do we do with it?  You think Afghanistan is ungovernable, wait till you see Mexico!

I agree.  Keep in mind that the invasion from different countries is hitting Mexico as well, and Mexico is letting them pass through the U.S.  Exactly what do we do with all of the undesirables? 

The ONLY solution is to build the dang wall (which is never going to get done now), turn them around at the border declaring a NO MIGRATION TO THE U.S. POLICY and make that policy known world wide!  Also announce, that in 30 days the U.S. military will line our borders and FIRE UPON those trying to enter illegally; anyone coming across illegally will be seen as an enemy of the U.S. It wouldn't take long for the invasion to stop.  Then, start emptying out our jails and prison of illegals and start sending them back.  Next step, start massive deportation.  We can't afford to support them.

[truth_seeker]

Been saying it for years, eventually the US will have to invade and occupy Mexico,  just a matter of when.

@dfwgator
We haven't invaded and occupied a nation successfully since WWII. Germany, Japan.

Since then we have employed half-measures, too weak tto work. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq I, Afghanistan, Iraq II.

[XenaLee]

Been saying it for years, eventually the US will have to invade and occupy Mexico,  just a matter of when.

To what end?   We'll lose... since the radical left won't allow us to win another war....

probably ever again.

[libertybele]

To what end?   We'll lose... since the radical left won't allow us to win another war....

probably ever again.

Only Congress can declare war, and since all these ILLEGALS represent eventual DEM votes, it's never going to happen.  Bammy's plan for transformation of this country continues. Within 5 years, and I believe that time frame is generous, we won't recognize this country.  She won't be the same.  "AMERICA", what will we do without her?

[XenaLee]

Only Congress can declare war, and since all these ILLEGALS represent eventual DEM votes, it's never going to happen.  Bammy's plan for transformation of this country continues. Within 5 years, and I believe that time frame is generous, we won't recognize this country.  She won't be the same.  "AMERICA", what will we do without her?

If the radical left succeeds in fundamentally transforming America into AmeriKa.... I doubt that we will still be around to worry about it.

[Absalom]

If 80% of the Mexico is controlled by drug Cartel I have a hard time believing we are going to get any help from them without military action.  80% is past due time to consider the Mexican government out of control of their own security.  I think it is time for our governments to negotiate military action against drug cartel.  If they don't want to act we have to.  We have to protect our country.  These drug Cartel are joining ranks with terrorists from the ME that are bragging they can come right in and kill thousands of Americans.  People don't like to but if they looked at the images of the beheadings and dismemberments drug Cartel are doing.  Looked at the number of people they are killing in the most torturous and brutal ways they would realize this is ISIS style killings.  We just can't pretend it isn't a problem anymore.   As I posted in the last article the Las Zitas (spelling?) coyotes are military trained and armed.  Some of them former Mexican military that were even trained in the US.  Our citizens are in danger.  Troops should be armed and ready at the border.  This is a long drawn out invasion.  We have just sat by and watched.

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Chosen, your thoughtful comments reminded me of 100 years ago.
In 1916, a Mexican piece of trash called Pancho Villa attacked Columbus, NM;
killing some 2 dozen Americans.
Woodrow Wilson, although a lefty, ordered John Pershing to Mexico to capture/kill
Villa who, sadly, was never found; although some 1000 guerrillas were killed.
Back then our nation was united by outrage but today we certainly are not.
The danger here is that our military will be left holding the bag by our political trash.

[libertybele]

If the radical left succeeds in fundamentally transforming America into AmeriKa.... I doubt that we will still be around to worry about it.

...well...the radical left is succeeding.  When the government of a country doesn't protect its borders, something is terribly wrong. When a political party goes on a witch hunt of a President for nearly two years and nothing of significance is found, yet, is still bent on impeachment, something is terribly wrong. When the majority of our millennial is in favor of socialism, something is terribly wrong.  When infanticide and same sex marriage is acceptable, something is terribly wrong.  When we accept that a judge mandates high school girls to shower with high school boys, something is deeply wrong.  When we have cities that now have a call to Islamic worship in a mosque rather than ringing Christian church bells, something is terribly wrong. When a political party refuses to accept a duly elected president by the people and then wants to change the electoral process as defined in our Constitution, then something is deeply wrong.

I could go on, but you get my point. The transformation continues as the sovereignty of our nation disappears.

[catfish1957]

Mexican government admits 80% of its populated territory is run by cartels, including key border areas
Daniel Horowitz · June 3, 2019

I think the bigger news item is that they admitted losing national sovereignty to an internal  criminal element.

Like another member brought up.....   If it is that pervasive, only a military solution is possible.

[libertybele]

I think the bigger news item is that they admitted losing national sovereignty to an internal  criminal element.

Like another member brought up.....   If it is that pervasive, only a military solution is possible.

Unfortunately.

[TomSea]

I'm not sure of the significance of the article and map and looked at the original article,

They may be saying something like if an article read that the Mafia controls Chicago, the Crips and Bloods control LA, things like that. Not actual sole control over the cities at that. Not actual control of all that that municipality is, the mayor, the city transit and stuff like that.

[Chosen Daughter]

I'm not sure of the significance of the article and map and looked at the original article,

They may be saying something like if an article read that the Mafia controls Chicago, the Crips and Bloods control LA, things like that. Not actual sole control over the cities at that. Not actual control of all that that municipality is, the mayor, the city transit and stuff like that.

Wrong.  The Cartel does control the government.  If they don't want someone in they just assassinate them.

This:


https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/27/americas/mexico-political-deaths-election-season-trnd/index.html




Read this:


https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/in-state-of-coahuila-los-zetas-in-control/


 

[Fishrrman]

The most dangerous enemy the United States faces in the world today (regarding our national security) is Mexico.

I've been saying it for years, but the only way we're ever going to get that sh**hole cleaned out is to invade it militarily and overthrow the government, and take control ourselves.

The costs of doing that (of course) would be enormous.
But the cost of NOT doing it... well... that's going "to cost us" our country.

[Chosen Daughter]

The most dangerous enemy the United States faces in the world today (regarding our national security) is Mexico.

I've been saying it for years, but the only way we're ever going to get that sh**hole cleaned out is to invade it militarily and overthrow the government, and take control ourselves.

The costs of doing that (of course) would be enormous.
But the cost of NOT doing it... well... that's going "to cost us" our country.

I don't doubt what you are saying.  Right now I think the move woud be to designate Cartels terrorists.  Stop all immigration from the southern border and declare a travel ban to Mexico.  That would put an econonomic hurt on them.  Also stop the money transfers.  Post our military on the border and give them authority to shoot if needed to protect our border. 

[Chosen Daughter]

Here is the current travel advisories for Mexico.  More than one state is already at a level 4.  All of them are increased violence.

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories/mexico-travel-advisory.html

[Chosen Daughter]

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Chosen, your thoughtful comments reminded me of 100 years ago.
In 1916, a Mexican piece of trash called Pancho Villa attacked Columbus, NM;
killing some 2 dozen Americans.
Woodrow Wilson, although a lefty, ordered John Pershing to Mexico to capture/kill
Villa who, sadly, was never found; although some 1000 guerrillas were killed.
Back then our nation was united by outrage but today we certainly are not.
The danger here is that our military will be left holding the bag by our political trash.

True.  United we stand.  Divided we fall.  We certainly are not united on saving this country.  Today Congress erupted in shouts of yes we can.  What were they we canning about?  Amnesty.


And no doubt that these people are living in Cartel and gang hell.  We can't help them.  They have to help themselves.  All we are doing is importing their problems here.  Soon there will be no escape for anyone including us.

[TomSea]

Wrong.  The Cartel does control the government.  If they don't want someone in they just assassinate them.

This:


https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/27/americas/mexico-political-deaths-election-season-trnd/index.html




Read this:


https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/in-state-of-coahuila-los-zetas-in-control/


 

Why are they fighting Federal Troops if they are in control of the government? Simple question? Have a simple answer? They control the government after all?


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It's more like if they controlled the government, there would be no reason to assassinate government officials which happens pretty frequently so no.

Michoacán: Municipal President of Nahuatzen Assassinated
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2019/04/michoacan-municipal-president-of.html

They've killed sitting mayors so that rules out your "let someone in".  Those officials are already there.

Zetas in control.  It says that about Coahuila, that's one state out of 27 or so. So, that is not a foolproof theorem.

If the Cartels were fully in control of the government, why the confrontations with Mexican troops? That's the government.

Nobody denies corruption in Govt. but that's not the total picture. That kind of corruption has existed at least to the 1980s with Reagan pressuring Mex Prez. de la Madrid over the death of DEA agent Kiki Camarena from the Sinaloa cartel and Caro Quintero.  What you are speaking of is buying off the government, that's been there always.

It's the same old corruption story but "buying off" does not really mean "control of the government", it can be the same as protection, as corrupt police and police departments that we even have here in the states or have had.

[TomSea]

Coahuila, 2011:

Missing Mexican mayor found slain

The missing mayor of a town in the northern Mexican state of Coahuila was found murdered Friday alongside a road in the neighboring state of Nuevo Leon, authorities in that jurisdiction told Efe.

Zaragoza Mayor Saul Vara Ribera had been missing since Wednesday.

His death brings to 14 the number of mayors slain in Mexico since Jan. 1, 2010.

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2011/01/missing-mexican-mayor-found-slain.html

They kill sitting mayors for any number of reasons, I'd think one could say the mayors are doing their job, enforcing the law, they aren't smuggling drugs or human beings like they could be, they kill mayors.

I know too, in Juarez some years ago, last 15, they beheaded some police officers, left them outside the police station in coolers,

This sounds like intimidation of the government but it doesn't sound like "control the government", they intimidate, buy off, do whatever they can. But control? I guess by influence.

[TomSea]

Turf wars, Zetas broke off from the Gulf Cartel and now, have Coahuila as their turf, not much different than gangs in some of our cities fighting turf wars for control of the area to sell drugs.

[TomSea]

Once the World’s Most Dangerous City, Juárez Returns to Life
By Sam QuinonesPhotographs by Dominic Bracco II

    This story appears in the June 2016 issue of National Geographic magazine.

As night falls over San Antonio, a shantytown turned neighborhood with concrete-block houses, rugged streets, and few trees, children head excitedly to a warehouse stacked with tires. There the din of Ciudad Juárez recedes, replaced by grunts, slaps, and thuds—bam!—of supple young bodies slamming onto canvas.

The makeshift wrestling ring, fashioned from iron and cable scavenged from junkyards, belongs to Inés Montenegro, who opened it two years ago after one of his sons suggested the neighborhood’s children needed somewhere to play. In Mexico lucha libre, a style of pro wrestling with masked fighters performing scripted acrobatic moves, is a national obsession. Montenegro’s funky arena was an instant hit.

Tonight four boys ages 11 to 15—Omar, Alfonso, Eric, and Antonio—hurtle against the ropes, which slingshot them into the center of the ring. They bound gleefully, learning the choreography for such classic moves as the “tiger jump,” vaulting melodramatically into the ring, and the “scissors,” jumping from the ropes to wrap your legs around your opponent’s neck.

Read more at: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2016/06/juarez-mexico-border-city-drug-cartels-murder-revival/

If the Cartels control the government, why'd the city of Juarez hire a problem fixer for their high crime rate? The Cartels hired the guy? I don't think so.

[TomSea]

What does the article say?

“Only 53 (19.92 percent) enjoy a low level of violence, which means that control is exercised by the authorities,” reported Contralínea on May 4, citing the data on the color-coded map.
https://www.conservativereview.com/news/mexican-government-admits-80-populated-territory-run-cartels-including-key-border-areas/

So, if the government is controlled by the cartels, why say something like " “Only 53 (19.92 percent) enjoy a low level of violence, which means that control is exercised by the authorities,” reported Contralínea on May 4, citing the data on the color-coded map.", see, here is says the authorities control it meaning the government.

I don't think anywhere does the article or other articles added on actually say the Cartels control the Government, sure, they bribe them, they will intimidate them and say they'll kill them if they don't give in to letting them operate outside the law and do what they want. I don't think that equates to controlling the government in a conventional sense.

I guess, if I speed through Mexicali and the police stop me, tell me they'll take my license plates unless I pay them (a bribe), I pay them, I am in a sense controlling the government.

Article:

As you can see, Mexico looks awfully similar to Afghanistan in terms of how much is controlled by insurgent groups. The map of Mexico shows the districts in red fully controlled by the cartels, the ones in yellow in dispute, and the ones in green in control of the Mexican government.

Yep!

[Chosen Daughter]

What does the article say?

So, if the government is controlled by the cartels, why say something like " “Only 53 (19.92 percent) enjoy a low level of violence, which means that control is exercised by the authorities,” reported Contralínea on May 4, citing the data on the color-coded map.", see, here is says the authorities control it meaning the government.

I don't think anywhere does the article or other articles added on actually say the Cartels control the Government, sure, they bribe them, they will intimidate them and say they'll kill them if they don't give in to letting them operate outside the law and do what they want. I don't think that equates to controlling the government in a conventional sense.

I guess, if I speed through Mexicali and the police stop me, tell me they'll take my license plates unless I pay them (a bribe), I pay them, I am in a sense controlling the government.

Article:

Yep!

Yep, you just posted it yourself.  The map 80% controlled by the Cartels.  You finally wrapped it up with what I posted.  The truth.  80% is a government not in control.

[Chosen Daughter]

Turf wars, Zetas broke off from the Gulf Cartel and now, have Coahuila as their turf, not much different than gangs in some of our cities fighting turf wars for control of the area to sell drugs.

Oh, I wouldn't be one to sing praises of gangs would  you?  Its as if you are saying no big deal.  MS-13.  We don't want any of it. None of it.  Do you?


But it is different.  So far you don't see gangs assassinating politicians.  They aren't an international move of drugs and human trafficking.  They aren't leaving severed heads in wheelbarrows.


And the Cartel are fueling gangs, drugs and turf wars in our cities.  It won't be long and when our elections come up Cartels will be assassinating politicians they don't want in control here too.

https://www.policemag.com/374296/mexican-cartels-have-infiltrated-your-city


GRAPHIC — Terrorist-Led Mexican Cartel Dumps Human Head near Texas Border

CIUDAD ACUNA, Coahuila – Gunmen working for a terrorist-led organization known as Cartel Del Noreste/Los Zetas used a severed human head to help deliver a message to local residents. The show of force comes at a time when government officials claim the region is safe.

Over the weekend, Cartel Del Noreste gunmen left the head of an unidentified man next to a poster board, threatening those who worked with the police unit Fuerza Coahuila or other authorities would meet a similar fate. The message was signed with the letters “C.D.N.” The gruesome crime scene was discovered in the industrial area of Ciudad Acuna, behind a heavy machinery manufacturing plant. Ciudad Acuna is immediately south of Del Rio, Texas.


https://www.breitbart.com/border/2019/04/08/graphic-terrorist-led-mexican-cartel-dumps-human-head-near-texas-border/


More severed heads


Severed head leads to discovery of two bodies in Arlington

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/arlington/article171342477.html

Gangs shoot people.  Terrorists sever heads.  I could find more stories of severed heads.  This has been happening in Mexico for years.  It is the way they gain control.  Fear.  They leave messages with the heads.  Now its happening here.


https://www.bing.com/search?q=cartel+beheadings+in+the+us&qs=HS&pq=cartel+beheading&sc=1-16&cvid=363CF93F9210404A940189475CCCF8FA&FORM=QBRE&sp=1

Don't downplay the threat of these Cartel organization.  They aren't in control of 80% of Mexico because they are having turf wars.  They are assassinating their way to total control of Mexican government.

[TomSea]

Again, if the Cartels control the government, why would they be fighting Federal Troops as in the video, all the same.

This confirms some of what you said, reading:

554 Municipalities under control of the Narcotrafickers...
Transnational Criminal Organizations control governments and municipalities with 1,000,000 workers and 600 thousand annual salaries (or something like that).

And so on.

Still, I think it's pretty dicey to outright say they control the government, they obviously fight against the Federal Troops,  that is the government.

At the bottom is a quote:

"Not only more violence, but more penetration and corruption in all levels of the government"

https://twitter.com/contralinea

"Plata o Plomo", "Lead or Silver"....