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Maybe, but he did something similar, concerning bump stocks, after the Vegas shooting. Now, they’re banned. It is suppressors now. Don’t be surprised if it is high-capacity magazines, somewhere down the road. He has previously expressed reservations about them, along with assault weapons, in the past.

First thing he said, too, was that when you ban something, the 'bad' guyz aren't going to give them up.

To me, in 'Trumpspeak' that meant that if you already have one, hide it. 

And if you don't have one, hurry the hell up and get one.
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Arguments like this do not help your case.  The Virginia Beach shooter didn't use a suppressor to protect his hearing.
Being quiet wasnt on the agenda, either, if both firearms were not suppressed. One was not.
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I think that you may have lost your focus.

All kinds of terrible tragedies occur, virtually every day of the week, somewhere.

It is never government's job to prevent all tragedies (for to do that, all liberty would be lost).

There are a couple of sayings, as crude as they may be, that describe reality:
1.  Shit happens.
2.  Life isn't fair.

Using your logic ("... rights can so freely intrude on an individual's right to life."), you imply that rights need to be curtailed so as to not 'intrude' on others' lives.

What happens when some deranged person runs their 5 ton box truck (or even an everyday sedan) onto a crowded sidewalk and kills many?  I am sure that you would NOT support curbing everyone's ability of own and operate a 5 ton box truck (or even an everyday sedan) because one random individual killed many with it?

Same here.  It is not government's role to take away any of our liberties because of the action of a random individual.
But if we took the mufflers off the 5 ton box trucks, people could hear them coming and get out of the way (Loud pipes save lives!)

Just as a bump stock does not make a semi automatic rifle a machine gun (it only allows the trigger to be pulled more efficiently, not more than one round to be fired each time the trigger is pulled) a suppressor is only a device to reduce the sound of the firearm being discharged.

As far as the Virginia Beach incident goes, the shooter has been described as having two firearms, one with a suppressor, one without, and a lady who survived in a closed office heard the shots being fired. The shooter was not particularly interested in stealth, regardless, but apparently went through the building killing either specific people or targets of opportunity. We won't know a heck of a lot about the incident unless the "focus on the victims" comes off enough to describe the incident more fully.
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Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Maybe, but he did something similar, concerning bump stocks, after the Vegas shooting. Now, they’re banned. It is suppressors now. Don’t be surprised if it is high-capacity magazines, somewhere down the road. He has previously expressed reservations about them, along with assault weapons, in the past.

Obviously he should just keep his mouth shut on these issues.

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But if we took the mufflers off the 5 ton box trucks, people could hear them coming and get out of the way (Loud pipes save lives!)

Just as a bump stock does not make a semi automatic rifle a machine gun (it only allows the trigger to be pulled more efficiently, not more than one round to be fired each time the trigger is pulled) a suppressor is only a device to reduce the sound of the firearm being discharged.

As far as the Virginia Beach incident goes, the shooter has been described as having two firearms, one with a suppressor, one without, and a lady who survived in a closed office heard the shots being fired. The shooter was not particularly interested in stealth, regardless, but apparently went through the building killing either specific people or targets of opportunity. We won't know a heck of a lot about the incident unless the "focus on the victims" comes off enough to describe the incident more fully.

Indeed, unmuffle these vehicles!!  For safety!

I need to correct one line of my post above, it should read:

It is never government's job to ATTEMPT TO prevent all tragedies (for to do that, all liberty would be lost).

Because they will never succeed.

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Gun Owners of America Funds Challenge to National Firearms Act in U.S. Supreme Court

https://gunowners.org/gun-owners-of-america-funds-challenge-to-national-firearms-act-in-u-s-supreme-court/

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Gun Owners of America (GOA) and its litigating arm, Gun Owners Foundation (GOF), today continued their defense of Jeremy Kettler, a disabled combat veteran, against a conviction for violating the National Firearms Act.

The Obama Justice Department brought criminal felony charges against Jeremy for illegally possessing an unregistered firearm suppressor under the authority of the Kansas “Second Amendment Protection Act.”

The Kansas statute declares that any suppressor manufactured, possessed, and used within the borders of Kansas is exempt from federal law. Relying on that Kansas law, in 2014 Jeremy purchased a suppressor from a local military surplus store, but did not register it with ATF pursuant to the National Firearms Act (NFA).

Believing he was following the law, Jeremy posted a video about his new suppressor on Facebook, and ATF swooped in. Rather than simply requiring Jeremy to register his suppressor, the feds instead chose felony prosecution — to make an example of Jeremy, and to intimidate all who resist federal power over guns. Jeremy was indicted, and convicted of possessing an unregistered silencer, and now this veteran is a federal felon.

Jeremy’s petition first challenges the legitimacy of the National Firearms Act, which was passed in 1934, and thereafter upheld by the Supreme Court in 1937 under the constitutional power of Congress to “lay and collect taxes.” The petition argues that the NFA as it exists today no longer can be justified as a so-called “tax.”

In fact, each of the reasons the Supreme Court gave in 1937, finding it to be a tax, no longer apply today, 82 years later. Rather, the NFA has become what Justice Frankfurter once described as regulation “wrapped … in the verbal cellophane of a revenue measure” — an unabashed gun control regulatory scheme, designed not to raise revenue for the federal government, but instead to keep NFA items out of the hands of Americans.

Next, Jeremy’s petition challenges the Tenth Circuit’s absurd holding that the Second Amendment applies only to “bearable arms” — but not firearm accessories, such as suppressors. The petition points out that the Second, Third, Seventh, and Ninth Circuits all have concluded that the Second Amendment extends beyond actual firearms to ammunition, magazines, the ability to purchase firearms in gun stores, and the right to practice at shooting ranges.

Finally, Jeremy’s petition argues that, if the Supreme Court continues to uphold the NFA as a “tax,” then it is allowing Congress to impose a tax on a constitutionally-protected right — something which the Supreme Court has long said to be unconstitutional.

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Supreme Court to decide to hear US Army vet’s ‘unconstitutional’ gun suppressor this week after national controversy

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2019/06/supreme-court-to-rule-on-us-army-vets-unconstitutional-gun-suppressor-this-week-after-national-controversy/

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The fate of a disabled U.S. Army veteran convicted of possessing an untaxed firearm suppressor is in the hands of the Supreme Court, which is slated to decide whether or not to accept his petition this Thursday.

Jeremy Kettler has been appealing to the higher courts since his November 2016 conviction in Kansas of possessing a suppressor he purchased to avoid worsening his hearing loss suffered during his military service – possession that allegedly violated the National Firearms Act (NFA), according to Guns.com in January.

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Obviously he should just keep his mouth shut on these issues.

That ship has long sailed.   Like it or not, we're better for it.

Especially with what has essentially become the [Deep] State Media.

He goes directly to the American People, unvarnished and in plain covfefe English.   :laugh:
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 Interesting take from Don Jr. Can't argue with any of it.

Dated but still holds true, I'm sure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=357&v=P_LOxq6j4FM
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