Trump never revoked John Brennan's security clearance

[Absalom]

As well as his incredibly self-destructive staffing choices.
He has some kind of masochistic urge to hire people who want nothing more than to sabotage every aspect of his agenda. That has been the most confusing peculiarity of Trump to me.

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On the mark.
The wise Heraclitus understood that "Character is Destiny"
as we determine our fate by our character.
Trump's behavior continually affirms that he is consumed
by emotion rather than intelligence, despite his absurd
assertion of genius.

[Free Vulcan]

Another article:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/05/ex-cia-chief-john-brennan-still-has-his-security-clearance-even-though-president-trump-revoked-it-last-summer/

This is what bothers me. It's as if the Executive bureaucracy is now the 4th branch of govt, the President has little power to stop them.

[Cyber Liberty]

As well as his incredibly self-destructive staffing choices.
He has some kind of masochistic urge to hire people who want nothing more than to sabotage every aspect of his agenda. That has been the most confusing peculiarity of Trump to me.

That's a fact.  One of the President's biggest flaws was relying upon the word of deep staters when picking his staffs.  Sessions comes first to mind, in addition to keeping any hold-overs from Obastard.

[Cyber Liberty]

This is what bothers me. It's as if the Executive bureaucracy is now the 4th branch of govt, the President has little power to stop them.

That's a fact, Jack.  It's hard to imagine how many laws there are containing the phrase, "The Secretary will decide..."  Obastardcare is riddled with them.

[Sanguine]

This is what bothers me. It's as if the Executive bureaucracy is now the 4th branch of govt, the President has little power to stop them.

And, rooting that out would be earth-shaking.

[edpc]

We’ll probably discover, somewhere down the line, this had little to do with bureaucratic infighting. What’s more likely is the lack of follow through came from the top, which will prevent a future president from revoking the clearance of current admin members. The post-presidency consulting gigs are very lucrative.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

We’ll probably discover, somewhere down the line, this had little to do with bureaucratic infighting. What’s more likely is the lack of follow through came from the top, which will prevent a future president from revoking the clearance of current admin members. The post-presidency consulting gigs are very lucrative.

This plus a lack of evidence proves how effective the Deep State really is

[Free Vulcan]

It seems the level of followup here is equivalent to a gun to their head through all the 52 bureaucratic steps to make it happen, with total resistance at every turn.

That's well beyond my standard definition of followup in a top down organization such as the Executive branch where the leader has been delegated near total power over, yet seems to have none.

[Applewood]

Sorry, guys, but if Brennan's clearance was not revoked, the fault lies with Trump, at least partly.  He's the boss, no?  As such, he should have made sure it was done  And if he has a problem with subordinates following orders, then it means he is not "hiring only the best people."  If these subordinates persist in not doing their job, why aren't they shown the door?  If Trump didn't follow through to make sure the revocation happened, then I assume he didn't want it done in the first place.

Tired of Trump fans making excuses for him.  When something isn't done, it's always someone else's fault.  He's never to blame.  BS.  Whatever happened to Harry Truman's "the buck stops here?" 

[Free Vulcan]

Sorry, guys, but if Brennan's clearance was not revoked, the fault lies with Trump, at least partly.  He's the boss, no?  As such, he should have made sure it was done  And if he has a problem with subordinates following orders, then it means he is not "hiring only the best people."  If these subordinates persist in not doing their job, why aren't they shown the door?  If Trump didn't follow through to make sure the revocation happened, then I assume he didn't want it done in the first place.

Tired of Trump fans making excuses for him.  When something isn't done, it's always someone else's fault.  He's never to blame.  BS.  Whatever happened to Harry Truman's "the buck stops here?"

Is he the boss? Are the subordinates his hires, or career bureaucrats? How many layers of those bureaucrats and prescribed procedures are there to follow, and can they be fired if they resist his directives?

That's what I'm trying to understand here.

[DCPatriot]

Is he the boss? Are the subordinates his hires, or career bureaucrats? How many layers of those bureaucrats and prescribed procedures are there to follow, and can they be fired if they resist his directives?

That's what I'm trying to understand here.

I find it weird that he's not able to pick up the phone and get it done...as in, "I want this on my desk by close of business today" kind of thing.

[Free Vulcan]

I find it weird that he's not able to pick up the phone and get it done...as in, "I want this on my desk by close of business today" kind of thing.

Exactly. It seems like a Democrat President can do that, but a Republican one, well suddenly there is all this red tape that must be followed.

[corbe]

   As mentioned earlier someone in the Swamp pushed back (or slow walked) and there was simply no follow up as he already got what he wanted, affirmation.

[Free Vulcan]

   As mentioned earlier someone in the Swamp pushed back (or slow walked) and there was simply no follow up as he already got what he wanted, affirmation.

And that's a huge problem. In a top down, command-and-control hierarchy, the bureaucrats shouldn't be able to push back against the commander-in-chief and get away with it, yet seemlingly they can.

I'm all about followup, but a joint bureaucratic cage match to the death just to revoke a security clearance goes way beyond followup.

[Cyber Liberty]

Is he the boss? Are the subordinates his hires, or career bureaucrats? How many layers of those bureaucrats and prescribed procedures are there to follow, and can they be fired if they resist his directives?

That's what I'm trying to understand here.

"I took an oath to the Constitution, not the President."

[240B]

That's a fact.  One of the President's biggest flaws was relying upon the word of deep staters when picking his staffs.  Sessions comes first to mind, in addition to keeping any hold-overs from Obastard.

I think it is based on his inflated ego. He really cannot believe that there is anyone on Earth that he can not charm over to his side. When he chose all these deep state NeverTrumpers, I believe that he sincerely thought that he could win them over. Because that's just how wonderful he is.

Yea, they may hate me now. But that is only because they don't know me. Give me a little time with them and I'll have them eating out of my hand.

Very naive and childish point of view. And it cost him dearly. He could have avoided so much dissention and leaks if he would have picked people in HIS inner circle who he knows he can trust. This 'open hand' policy; this 'reaching across the aisle mentality has cost him tons of leaks and negative press. It may have cost him the entire first two years of his presidency.

Even so, he has accomplish more in two years than Obama did in eight. But it could have been so much more but for his pandering to the status quo.

[Free Vulcan]

"I took an oath to the Constitution, not the President."

At least not a Republican President anyway. When their preferred party is not in power, they conflate red tape with the Constitution and use #resistance as justification.

That's probably my biggest sticking point with this whole thing.

[EdJames]

I think it is based on his inflated ego. He really cannot believe that there is anyone on Earth that he can not charm over to his side. When he chose all these deep state NeverTrumpers, I believe that he sincerely thought that he could win them over. Because that's just how wonderful he is.

Yea, they may hate me now. But that is only because they don't know me. Give me a little time with them and I'll have them eating out of my hand.

Very naive and childish point of view. And it cost him dearly. He could have avoided so much dissention and leaks if he would have picked people in HIS inner circle who he knows he can trust. This 'open hand' policy; this 'reaching across the aisle mentality has cost him tons of leaks and negative press. It may have cost him the entire first two years of his presidency.

Even so, he has accomplish more in two years than Obama did in eight. But it could have been so much more but for his pandering to the status quo.

Give that man a Nat Sherman cigar!

I have been thinking that for quite some time....  he thought that about all of them: Ryan, McConnell, Priebus, Pelosi, Schumer, etc.  He could do a "deal" with any and all of them...  until he couldn't.

[Cyber Liberty]

At least not a Republican President anyway. When their preferred party is not in power, they conflate red tape with the Constitution and use #resistance as justification.

That's probably my biggest sticking point with this whole thing.

That would be my point. Thank you!

[Chosen Daughter]

John Brennen was mentor to Obama & butt buddys,  from someone in gay community who knew this. Brennan also, islamist.
Brennen was double agent to Russia.  They hate him too.

hmm.  I don't know if this reveals something about you or Brennen.                                                                                                                         

[Chosen Daughter]

I think it is based on his inflated ego. He really cannot believe that there is anyone on Earth that he can not charm over to his side. When he chose all these deep state NeverTrumpers, I believe that he sincerely thought that he could win them over. Because that's just how wonderful he is.

Yea, they may hate me now. But that is only because they don't know me. Give me a little time with them and I'll have them eating out of my hand.

Very naive and childish point of view. And it cost him dearly. He could have avoided so much dissention and leaks if he would have picked people in HIS inner circle who he knows he can trust. This 'open hand' policy; this 'reaching across the aisle mentality has cost him tons of leaks and negative press. It may have cost him the entire first two years of his presidency.

Even so, he has accomplish more in two years than Obama did in eight. But it could have been so much more but for his pandering to the status quo.

 Unbelievable.  More excuses for "I hire only the best" Trump.  Sessions recused himself but he was doing the job.  He is a Conservative not a liberal like Cohen or Amorosa.   


Jeff Sessions, conservative hero
Ousted Attorney General Jeff Sessions has received an outpouring of praise from conservatives whose focus is public policy. I quoted some of that praise last night.
There’s a lot more I could add, but instead I’ll confine myself to this article by Heather Mac Donald. She argues that by firing Sessions, President Trump has put key portions of his agenda at risk:

Trump won the presidency by promising to restore the rule of immigration law after decades of bipartisan neglect. Sessions, serving as a senator from Alabama in 2016, was uniquely positioned to do so. No politician had devoted as much time to documenting the corrosive effects of low-skilled mass immigration on the country’s working class.

Sessions was a nationalist long before Trump came on the scene. He knew the myriad tactics through which the nation’s career bureaucrats and immigration advocates had abetted mass illegal entry, and set out to block them.
 
As attorney general, he used every lawful tool available to his office to fight the sanctuary-city movement, whereby local jurisdictions openly defy the federal government’s efforts to protect the public from illegal-alien criminals. Scofflaw cities and states across the country responded with a spate of lawsuits against Sessions; left-wing judges slapped the Justice Department with questionable nationwide injunctions to protect the sanctuary jurisdictions.
 
Sessions sued right back. Sheriffs, the closest to the ground when it comes to public sentiment about law enforcement, understood what was at stake. “Jeff Sessions has probably been the most effective attorney general in the eyes of law enforcement in our nation’s history,” National Sheriffs’ Association executive director Jonathan Thompson told the Huffington Post in August 2018.

(Emphasis added)

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/11/jeff-sessions-conservative-hero.php

                       

[240B]

 Unbelievable.  More excuses for "I hire only the best" Trump.  Sessions recused himself but he was doing the job.  He is a Conservative not a liberal like Cohen or Amorosa.   


Jeff Sessions, conservative hero
Ousted Attorney General Jeff Sessions has received an outpouring of praise from conservatives whose focus is public policy. I quoted some of that praise last night.
There’s a lot more I could add, but instead I’ll confine myself to this article by Heather Mac Donald. She argues that by firing Sessions, President Trump has put key portions of his agenda at risk:

Trump won the presidency by promising to restore the rule of immigration law after decades of bipartisan neglect. Sessions, serving as a senator from Alabama in 2016, was uniquely positioned to do so. No politician had devoted as much time to documenting the corrosive effects of low-skilled mass immigration on the country’s working class.

Sessions was a nationalist long before Trump came on the scene. He knew the myriad tactics through which the nation’s career bureaucrats and immigration advocates had abetted mass illegal entry, and set out to block them.
 
As attorney general, he used every lawful tool available to his office to fight the sanctuary-city movement, whereby local jurisdictions openly defy the federal government’s efforts to protect the public from illegal-alien criminals. Scofflaw cities and states across the country responded with a spate of lawsuits against Sessions; left-wing judges slapped the Justice Department with questionable nationwide injunctions to protect the sanctuary jurisdictions.
 
Sessions sued right back. Sheriffs, the closest to the ground when it comes to public sentiment about law enforcement, understood what was at stake. “Jeff Sessions has probably been the most effective attorney general in the eyes of law enforcement in our nation’s history,” National Sheriffs’ Association executive director Jonathan Thompson told the Huffington Post in August 2018.

(Emphasis added)

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/11/jeff-sessions-conservative-hero.php

                       

@Chosen Daughter
Based on your response, you didn't read a word I wrote. You simply regurgitated your standard, "Jeff Sessions is an anointed Saint!" rant, which I have become used to. What I wrote can hardly be called 'an excuse'.

I realize that you have some kind of personal connection to Sessions. But as a practical matter he was a huge waste of time. Yes. He worked on immigration a little but that was not his job. That is a different department. Meanwhile he ignored the actual responsibilities of the AG. He ignored countless scandals and crimes by Democrats. He was scared to death.

President Trump said of Sessions, "He is afraid of his own shadow." And I agree. Sessions is a coward weasel who wasted two years hiding in a closet somewhere until his time was up and then he ran away.

Let us agree to disagree. You have your perspective, and I have mine. Jeff Sessions is no Saint.

[Absalom]

President Trump forgot.  He's got a lot on his mind between investigations and Gorilla Channel marathons.

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Stable genius has a mind???
Who knew???

[Right_in_Virginia]

Senator Rand Paul
Verified accountï‚™ @RandPaul 

Disgraceful, extent to which the deep state will go to protect their own. I was in the Oval Office w/@realDonaldTrump when he directed officials to revoke John Brennan’s security clearance. A partisan hack & mouthpiece for the media has no business holding a clearance.Revoke now!

10:55 AM - 7 Jun 2019

https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1137055608266473472

[Right_in_Virginia]

Rand Paul: Deep state protected John Brennan's security clearance
Washington Examiner, Jun 4, 2019

[...]

Asked to comment about it in an interview on CNN, Paul said the "deep state," in which federal or military officials defy a democratically elected government, was likely to blame.

"Now the deep state is actually protecting their own and not listening to the president's orders," the Kentucky Republican said on Tuesday. "I was sitting in the White House when President Trump said I want his security clearance taken, and I saw the order given. I saw the chief of staff was there, not the current chief of staff, the previous chief of staff."

He was referring to former White House chief of staff John Kelly.

"If they are working against ... the president that really does disrupt our country, does disrupt a representative democracy where the president makes a decision. If someone is countermanding that, I think we need to get to the bottom of that," Paul said.

A close ally of the president, Paul said he hopes Trump will conduct a search to find out who defied his order.


More:  https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/rand-paul-deep-state-protected-john-brennans-security-clearance