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Nevada passes National Popular Vote bill in bid to upend Electoral College

Assembly Bill 186 headed to Democratic Gov. Steve Sisolak

 By Valerie Richardson - The Washington Times - Wednesday, May 22, 2019

The Nevada Senate approved Tuesday a National Popular Vote bill on a party-line vote, sending the legislation aimed at upending the Electoral College to the governor.

Assembly Bill 186, which passed the Senate on a 12-8 vote, would bring Nevada into the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, an agreement between participating states to cast their electoral votes for the winner of the popular vote.

If signed as expected by Democratic Gov. Steve Sisolak, Nevada would become the 16th jurisdiction to join the compact, along with 14 states and the District of Columbia. The compact would take effect after states totaling 270 electoral votes, and with Nevada, the total would reach 195.

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Be careful what you wish for.

I think a lot of voters in California stayed home because they figured their vote wouldn't matter,  now they will.

Trump needs to recognize that and campaign there, even if he doesn't win there.

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Be careful what you wish for.

I think a lot of voters in California stayed home because they figured their vote wouldn't matter,  now they will.

Trump needs to recognize that and campaign there, even if he doesn't win there.

For this to happen, a lot of lower population states are going to have to decide to let California and New York to pick the president and ignore their own votes.
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This is hilarious.  And stupid.  Cause, we all (here) know... that if (or when) those states end up voting overwhelmingly for a Republican... especially if it's giving the popular vote to Trump....

those same leftist idiots will be all whining to reverse it back to the electoral college method.
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This is hilarious.  And stupid.  Cause, we all (here) know... that if (or when) those states end up voting overwhelmingly for a Republican... especially if it's giving the popular vote to Trump....

those same leftist idiots will be all whining to reverse it back to the electoral college method.

Exactly.   I think Trump will campaign in a way that maximizes his chances given the rules in place.   If he needed to win by popular vote in 2016, he would have done what he needed to do that.

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Exactly.   I think Trump will campaign in a way that maximizes his chances given the rules in place.   If he needed to win by popular vote in 2016, he would have done what he needed to do that.

What these idiots don't realize (they're just dumb that way).... is that all of the righties in states like California will actually get their asses to the polls now.... knowing that finally their votes might count.... vs. before when they knew their state's electors would go for the DemocRat candidate.  And there are plenty of rightie voters in California.  Only problem will be all of the rampant DemocRat voter fraud... as usual.
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Be careful what you wish for.

I think a lot of voters in California stayed home because they figured their vote wouldn't matter,  now they will.

Trump needs to recognize that and campaign there, even if he doesn't win there.

California will never be in play again, as long as the state knowingly registers and allows non-citizens to vote.

There are 1.5 million more registered voters than there are eligible voters in LA and San Diego counties alone.

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California will never be in play again, as long as the state knowingly registers and allows non-citizens to vote.

There are 1.5 million more registered voters than there are eligible voters in LA and San Diego counties alone.

True.  But at least with a popular vote system, they might get a more accurate count of how many non-leftists (ie legal voters...lol) there are.
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SOURCE: WASHINGTON TIMES

URL: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/may/22/nevada-senate-passes-national-popular-vote-bill-pa/



The Nevada Senate approved Tuesday a National Popular Vote bill on a party-line vote, sending the legislation aimed at upending the Electoral College to the governor.

Assembly Bill 186, which passed the Senate on a 12-8 vote, would bring Nevada into the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, an agreement between participating states to cast their electoral votes for the winner of the popular vote.

If signed as expected by Democratic Gov. Steve Sisolak, Nevada would become the 16th jurisdiction to join the compact, along with 14 states and the District of Columbia. The compact would take effect after states totaling 270 electoral votes, and with Nevada, the total would reach 195.

While the effort has been billed by organizers as bipartisan, Democrats have embraced the NPV in the aftermath of President Trump’s 2016 victory, which saw the Republican win the electoral vote but not the popular vote.

Leftist groups like Common Cause, Indivisible and Public Citizen cheered the Nevada vote.

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  It'd be great if Trump won the popular vote but lost Nevada and was just 8EV shy of the 270 needed to clinch.
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Such a law, even if it were to be in effect in 2016, would not have changed the outcome of the 2016 elections.

However, having said that, this should be challenged in the Supreme Court. It is blatantly UNCONSTITUTIONAL.



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Nevada passes National Popular Vote bill in bid to upend Electoral College

Assembly Bill 186 headed to Democratic Gov. Steve Sisolak

 By Valerie Richardson - The Washington Times - Wednesday, May 22, 2019

The Nevada Senate approved Tuesday a National Popular Vote bill on a party-line vote, sending the legislation aimed at upending the Electoral College to the governor.

Assembly Bill 186, which passed the Senate on a 12-8 vote, would bring Nevada into the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, an agreement between participating states to cast their electoral votes for the winner of the popular vote.

If signed as expected by Democratic Gov. Steve Sisolak, Nevada would become the 16th jurisdiction to join the compact, along with 14 states and the District of Columbia. The compact would take effect after states totaling 270 electoral votes, and with Nevada, the total would reach 195.

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Well,if you can't overthrow the nation one way,that is another that might work. Especially once we get a few million more illegal aliens living here and voting in local elections for cash.
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This is hilarious.  And stupid.  Cause, we all (here) know... that if (or when) those states end up voting overwhelmingly for a Republican... 

@XenaLee

I don't know what it is that you have been drinking,but you need to quit drinking it. The left outbreeds the right and spits out new spawn a LOT more often than the right,and in addition they are importing millions of illegal aliens and their children to come into the country and sign up for all the "free stuff".
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Don't the rubes know that it takes 2/3 of Congress AND 3/4 of the states to actually agree with each other? 

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https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/may/22/nevada-senate-passes-national-popular-vote-bill-pa/

Nevada passes National Popular Vote bill in bid to upend Electoral College

By Valerie Richardson - The Washington Times - Wednesday, May 22, 2019

The Nevada Senate approved Tuesday a National Popular Vote bill on a party-line vote, sending the legislation aimed at upending the Electoral College to the governor.

Assembly Bill 186, which passed the Senate on a 12-8 vote, would bring Nevada into the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, an agreement between participating states to cast their electoral votes for the winner of the popular vote.

If signed as expected by Democratic Gov. Steve Sisolak, Nevada would become the 16th jurisdiction to join the compact, along with 14 states and the District of Columbia. The compact would take effect after states totaling 270 electoral votes, and with Nevada, the total would reach 195.

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They're getting closer.
Looks like Maine will become the next state to pass this.

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:silly:

Don't the rubes know that it takes 2/3 of Congress AND 3/4 of the states to actually agree with each other?

@Conservalicious

Does the term "whistling as you walk past the graveyard" mean anything to you?

It's all about numbers and motivation if they get get what they want,and they both outnumber us and are more motivated because they want all the "free stuff" promised to them.
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Don't the rubes know that it takes 2/3 of Congress AND 3/4 of the states to actually agree with each other?

These state laws are not intended to change the US Constitution.  They keep the electoral college in place and change the way select individual states cast their electoral college votes.
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I believe that NPV can be challenged before the US Supreme Court, and that it can be defeated there.

There are those here who will observe (correctly) that the Constitution "leaves it up to the states" as to how electors will be assigned.

And that is [largely] correct. Seems to me that very early in the nation's history, didn't a few of the states assign electors without conducting a "presidential election"? If they did, well... that was in compliance with the Constitution. At least it was... back then.

However, today all 50 states conduct popular elections in which the voters choose the electors. In most states all electors are assigned to whomever wins the popular vote. In two states (Maine and Nebraska), the electors are assigned proportionally by the winners of the Congressional district involved. This is how Mr. Trump won one elector from Maine in 2016.

But... NPV seeks to change things, by permitting states to essentially overturn the popular vote of elections conducted within their own borders and arbitrarily assign their electors based on the "popular vote" of OTHER states.

And this is how it can be beaten.
That is to say... (and I'll use Nevada as my example)

...If Nevada wishes to adopt NPV, they then have the Constitutional right to assign their electors to the winner of the popular vote in OTHER states.
BUT... they must do so WITHOUT HOLDING AN ELECTION FOR PRESIDENTIAL ELECTORS IN NEVADA.
If they DO choose to have an election by which the voters will choose the electors, then they must ABIDE THE VOTE of the citizens of Nevada.

To do otherwise will violate numerous laws and Constitutional principles, including the 14th Amendment (which guarantees equal protection of the laws to all), and certainly the Voting Rights Act (because the votes cast by individual voters will be discarded in favor of the votes from out-of-staters, effectively disenfranchising the voters of Nevada).

I believe the Supreme Court (at least a modestly conservative one, which we have now) would rule that way. To wit:
- Assign electors however you wish, BUT...
- If you do have an election for president, you must assign electors based upon that vote.

So... California and New York could choose NOT to have an election if they wanted to comply with NPV. But what will "the absence" of the popular vote in CA and NY do to the "national popular vote total"???

Having said all this...
I can see leftist states then proclaiming, OK, we're NOT going to have an election that selects electors, but we'll have a "popularity vote" within the state instead. Attempting to end run a Court decision as outlined above.

Then, it would be up to the Supreme Court to once more decide if this is permissible.

If they decide in favor of the leftist states, it will become the "Dred Scott" decision of the twenty-first century. That is to say, it may become "the fuse" that ignites a revolt of the less-populated red states, which will have lost one of the "great balancers" established by the Constitution to give them equity against the large states. What will they then have left to lose?

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I believe that NPV can be challenged before the US Supreme Court, and that it can be defeated there.

There are those here who will observe (correctly) that the Constitution "leaves it up to the states" as to how electors will be assigned.

And that is [largely] correct. Seems to me that very early in the nation's history, didn't a few of the states assign electors without conducting a "presidential election"? If they did, well... that was in compliance with the Constitution. At least it was... back then.

However, today all 50 states conduct popular elections in which the voters choose the electors. In most states all electors are assigned to whomever wins the popular vote. In two states (Maine and Nebraska), the electors are assigned proportionally by the winners of the Congressional district involved. This is how Mr. Trump won one elector from Maine in 2016.

But... NPV seeks to change things, by permitting states to essentially overturn the popular vote of elections conducted within their own borders and arbitrarily assign their electors based on the "popular vote" of OTHER states.

And this is how it can be beaten.
That is to say... (and I'll use Nevada as my example)

...If Nevada wishes to adopt NPV, they then have the Constitutional right to assign their electors to the winner of the popular vote in OTHER states.
BUT... they must do so WITHOUT HOLDING AN ELECTION FOR PRESIDENTIAL ELECTORS IN NEVADA.
If they DO choose to have an election by which the voters will choose the electors, then they must ABIDE THE VOTE of the citizens of Nevada.

To do otherwise will violate numerous laws and Constitutional principles, including the 14th Amendment (which guarantees equal protection of the laws to all), and certainly the Voting Rights Act (because the votes cast by individual voters will be discarded in favor of the votes from out-of-staters, effectively disenfranchising the voters of Nevada).

I believe the Supreme Court (at least a modestly conservative one, which we have now) would rule that way. To wit:
- Assign electors however you wish, BUT...
- If you do have an election for president, you must assign electors based upon that vote.

So... California and New York could choose NOT to have an election if they wanted to comply with NPV. But what will "the absence" of the popular vote in CA and NY do to the "national popular vote total"???

Having said all this...
I can see leftist states then proclaiming, OK, we're NOT going to have an election that selects electors, but we'll have a "popularity vote" within the state instead. Attempting to end run a Court decision as outlined above.

Then, it would be up to the Supreme Court to once more decide if this is permissible.

If they decide in favor of the leftist states, it will become the "Dred Scott" decision of the twenty-first century. That is to say, it may become "the fuse" that ignites a revolt of the less-populated red states, which will have lost one of the "great balancers" established by the Constitution to give them equity against the large states. What will they then have left to lose?

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Such a law, even if it were to be in effect in 2016, would not have changed the outcome of the 2016 elections.

However, having said that, this should be challenged in the Supreme Court. It is blatantly UNCONSTITUTIONAL.


It's an interesting question.  Art 1, Sect 10 forbids it.  But then Art 2, Sect 2 says they can pick em how they want.  My take would be that the more specific section in Art 1 should win.
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Something I wanted to add to the thread.

Over times past here, some members have said, to wit, that the "smaller states" would never agree to National Popular Vote, because it would make them irrelevant in presidential elections.

Yet, look what has happened recently:
- Nevada (certainly a small state in comparison to California or New York) has adopted NPV;
- New Mexico (another small state) has also signed onto NPV.

So... those who claim small states will never surrender their influence to NPV ... this doesn't seem to hold water.
It's not "size" that matters here.
It's ideology.

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