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Philly to Set Massive Precedent and Stop Arresting People for Drug Possession—of ALL DRUGS
Matt Agorist May 11, 2019 1.7k Views


Philadelphia, PA — Philadelphia District Attorney Larry Krasner told the media this week that his office is “very close” to the prospect of refusing to kidnap and cage people for possessing drugs. This would make Philadelphia a leader in the nation and the first nail in the coffin that is the violent and immoral war on drugs.

Krasner told “Axios on HBO” that instead of kidnapping and caging people for possessing substances deemed illegal by the state—which has shown to be a horrifyingly violent and corrupt failure—those resources will be spent helping the person get clean.

“Possession is different than dealing, it’s different than carrying a bunch of drugs you intend to sell or deliver later, it’s just possession. We are talking about people who are using drugs, the vast majority of them suffering from addiction. I do not see value in convicting people like that, thereby making it harder for them to get a job,” said Krasner. “It seems to me to make a lot more sense to hold them accountable in ways that do not require a conviction. We are very close.”

https://freedomoutpost.com/philly-to-set-massive-precedent-and-stop-arresting-people-for-drug-possession-of-all-drugs/
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Ii guess this will be done everywhere eventually.  For example, on the other side of the state, Pittsburgh's mayor has already come out in favor of legalizing marijuana.  I'm sure he will eventually want to legitimize all other drugs too and before long, sale and distribution of narcotics will be legal as well.

The War on Drugs has been a dismal failure.  Looks like our elected officials are gradually acknowledging this and are just going to let everyone become dopeheads.  It's to their advantage to do so, I guess.  A drugged population will be easier to control.

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Going into the longer day, Summer months...what the over and under on 'How long will it take for Philly to mirror San Francisco and Seattle'??

Saw a video just yesterday where somebody was shooting heroin right in front of City Hall in broad daylight, covering himself in his leather bomber jacket.
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Going into the longer day, Summer months...what the over and under on 'How long will it take for Philly to mirror San Francisco and Seattle'??

Saw a video just yesterday where somebody was shooting heroin right in front of City Hall in broad daylight, covering himself in his leather bomber jacket.

I'd be willing to bet that inside of 10 years every deep blue city from coast to coast will mirror San Francisco.
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I'd be willing to bet that inside of 10 years every deep blue city from coast to coast will mirror San Francisco.

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Ii guess this will be done everywhere eventually.  For example, on the other side of the state, Pittsburgh's mayor has already come out in favor of legalizing marijuana.  I'm sure he will eventually want to legitimize all other drugs too and before long, sale and distribution of narcotics will be legal as well.

The War on Drugs has been a dismal failure.  Looks like our elected officials are gradually acknowledging this and are just going to let everyone become dopeheads.  It's to their advantage to do so, I guess.  A drugged population will be easier to control.

There is a difference between legalizing and decriminalizing. After reading about Portugal's radical (?) drug policy that is working, I have a somewhat different perspective.  I agree that drugs should be decriminalized; not necessarily legalized.  In other words, if you are caught with marijuana, an opioid, or other illegal substance, you wouldn't necessarily be prosecuted but rather be mandated to go into a rehabilitation center where you would have doctors and social workers who would help you get off the drug(s) and get back into society where you would become a productive citizen.  If the offender didn't want to comply, then they could always opt for a jail sentence.  Most I feel would choose the rehabilitation program offered. This is being done in Portugal and it is working!

I believe there should still be prosecution for trafficking in drugs.

Take a look at our system; you get caught using drugs and you are incarcerated into a system that is full of drugs with little rehabilitation provided.  Once your sentence is completed often that person is released with no skill set to make a living, often still addicted and they wind up back to selling drugs in order to survive ... consider that some of these people have/had an addiction to legal prescriptions at one time and this is a tragedy.  Opioid addiction and deaths are on the rise and in some states have become and epidemic. 

Yes the war on drugs has been a failure because we keep treating drug abuse in the same way and expect different results.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/05/portugals-radical-drugs-policy-is-working-why-hasnt-the-world-copied-it
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Well I guess I'll cross Philadelphia off my list of places to visit in America, after all I have already seen copies of Independence Hall and the liberty bell over fifty years ago at Knotts Berry Farm. :pondering:

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Well I guess I'll cross Philadelphia off my list of places to visit in America, after all I have already seen copies of Independence Hall and the liberty bell over fifty years ago at Knotts Berry Farm. :pondering:

Glad that I visited it decades ago, before it turned into a hell hole.

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All for this as long was those possessing drugs are mandated into a long term rehabilitation program.  This has proven to be more successful than locking one up in a prison full of drugs and then putting them right back on the streets after the sentence is completed.
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Glad that I visited it decades ago, before it turned into a hell hole.

Me too.  I stopped in as a side trip while seeing Valley Forge back in 79.  I thought at the time it was not a place I would ever want to live in.
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Hmmmm.  I wonder how this will turn out?   :pondering:
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Ii guess this will be done everywhere eventually.  For example, on the other side of the state, Pittsburgh's mayor has already come out in favor of legalizing marijuana.  I'm sure he will eventually want to legitimize all other drugs too and before long, sale and distribution of narcotics will be legal as well.

The War on Drugs has been a dismal failure.  Looks like our elected officials are gradually acknowledging this and are just going to let everyone become dopeheads.  It's to their advantage to do so, I guess.  A drugged population will be easier to control.
Sure, let's promote drug use...especially in the inner city. Drugs have been a plague in black communites nationwide. The so-called "harmless" marijuana has caused numerous black males to tip over the edge into insanity and violence.
So, yes, let's stop this war on drugs and promote more drug use.  :whistle:

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"Philadelphia District Attorney Larry Krasner told the media this week that his office is “very close” to the prospect of refusing to kidnap and cage people for possessing drugs."

Perhaps Mr. Krasner ought to take an exploratory trip to Seattle.
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For rape?
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« Last Edit: May 15, 2019, 06:24:04 PM by Fishrrman »

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Hmmmm.  I wonder how this will turn out?   :pondering:

Badly?...  Oh wait that was a rhetorical question.  My bad for the badly...
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Hmmmm.  I wonder how this will turn out?   :pondering:
I don't agree with jailing people for drug possession, but the facts are in: most studies of the effects of marijuana state that it causes major damage to heavy users. Strong pot use causes many people to go schizo or crazy. Especially young people. And heavy pot use causes many to get into opioids.
Many violent people have been found to have been high on "harmless" pot at the time they were harming/killing people. Marijuana today is far stronger than the pot of fifty years ago.
The people who argue for legalization point to alcohol as being more destructive, so why punish people for drugs other than alchohol? They have a good point.
The question for me is: will legalizing pot and other similar kinds of drugs make the country better or worse. In my mind it makes it worse...far worse.
 People should read Alex Berenson's "Tell Your Children." Berenson is a liberal reporter who used to be a pot proponent. He's changed his mind over the years after witnessing countless lives destroyed by pot and talking to people who've done and/or seen  the same. And he has scientists on his side too. Read the book and make up your own mind.

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Sure, let's promote drug use...especially in the inner city. Drugs have been a plague in black communites nationwide. The so-called "harmless" marijuana has caused numerous black males to tip over the edge into insanity and violence.
So, yes, let's stop this war on drugs and promote more drug use.  :whistle:

This isn't a "War on Drugs".   Now Singapore?   THAT'S a War on Drugs.

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dfw wrote:
"This isn't a "War on Drugs".   Now Singapore?   THAT'S a War on Drugs."

Good call.
I'd prefer to see "the Singapore solution" implemented here.
If anything, a more severe example of same.
(for the record, I've never smoked anything, drank alcohol (yes, I've tasted it), or used illegal drugs).

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This clever plan should work out well for them. After all,if there is one thing junkies HATE it is being arrested and taken away from their drugs.

Gee,I wonder if the get-toes in NYC,Boston,DC,Maryland,NJ,etc,etc,etc will lose any residents to Philly over this?
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Sure, let's promote drug use...especially in the inner city. Drugs have been a plague in black communites nationwide. The so-called "harmless" marijuana has caused numerous black males to tip over the edge into insanity and violence.
 

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A TOTAL crock of Bush. There is not one single person in the known universe that has gone to insanity and violence due to smoking pot. The fact that you would even make such an absurd claim proves  you know nothing about it.
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I don't agree with jailing people for drug possession, but the facts are in: most studies of the effects of marijuana state that it causes major damage to heavy users. Strong pot use causes many people to go schizo or crazy. Especially young people. 

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Who is your authority,Jerry Falwell?
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dfw wrote:
"This isn't a "War on Drugs".   Now Singapore?   THAT'S a War on Drugs."

Good call.
I'd prefer to see "the Singapore solution" implemented here.
If anything, a more severe example of same.
(for the record, I've never smoked anything, drank alcohol (yes, I've tasted it), or used illegal drugs).

@Fishrrman

Gee,I would have never guessed.

That's what makes you an authority on it though,huh?
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Pete mused:
"That's what makes you an authority on it though,huh?"

Yup. As much as anyone else.

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