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Re: Dem Gov. Vetoes Newborn Care Bill
« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2019, 09:40:51 AM »
The difference between us and a 6-week old fetus is that the latter is literally part of the woman's body

Absolutely not true.  The woman's body ends at the placenta.  The fetus has its own singular DNA that is separate from the mother.  Never is it part of the mother's body.   But you knew that already.


.  .  .  and can have no separate existence on its own.

Neither can a one-year-old.  Left on its own, he/she will die.


It is, simply put,  within the dominion and control of the mother, as a matter of scientific fact.

If I place a gun to your head, your life is within the dominion and control of me, as a matter of scientific fact.  Does that make it OK to pull the trigger?


That is completely different from the situation of a viable fetus, or of course a born child.

There you go with that word 'viable' again.  Still waiting for you to direct me to that part of the Constitution that covers it.  Meanwhile, we will continue to see babies born prematurely (i.e. before Roe's "viability" date) who survive and grow to be healthy adults.


No woman sets out to get pregnant for the purpose of abortion.

No drunk driver sets out to commit vehicular manslaughter either.  Nor does an armed robber set out to put a liquor store out of business.  But there are responsibilities that come with actions.  When a woman chooses to freely exercise control of her body by allowing a man to ejaculate inside of her, she is freely engaging in an exercise with a high probability of creating a new life.  She is not a victim here.  She was in control of her body.  She exercised free control with full knowledge of the consequences.  Women are due far more credit here than you are willing to give.


It is always a difficult and often heartbreaking decision.

Especially from the baby's point of view.  Except it isn't just heart-breaking.  It is heart-ending.




I wish no one had to make such a choice.

I wish no one would make the choice of engaging in unprotected sex if they are unwilling to give a baby a chance at life.  Even for a woman who does not believe herself to be compatible with motherhood, she still has the choice to give her child to a loving, nurturing family instead of killing her child.


But the bottom line is simple:
For better or for worse, it is the woman's decision to make.  Not the State's. 

The Constitution says otherwise.  I will go by what the Constitution actually says instead of by what you wish it said.


And that is the view you would naturally take as a conservative if this were any issue other than abortion.   

The Conservative approach is, and always will be, to allow the people to come together and decide what is best for society within the confines of the Constitution of the United States of American.  The fascist approach (i.e. your approach) is to ignore the Constitution and impose your will not only on your state, but on every other State in the country by any means necessary.
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« Reply #26 on: May 15, 2019, 09:44:46 AM »
From the legal point of view, if you can be charged with homicide for killing the unborn baby, it is a baby.

And to think that infanticide laws are enacted by each individual State per the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution.
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« Reply #27 on: May 15, 2019, 10:00:11 AM »
But that is because of your moral view of the matter.   You think of a six-week old fetus as a "baby" when it is something quite different.
Quote a scientific source that that proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that it is not a "baby" It is the product of human sperm fertilizing a human egg. That is the ONLY thing it can be.
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« Reply #28 on: May 15, 2019, 10:03:48 AM »
It's a sad thing that our laws provide more protection to animals than to human beings.
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« Reply #29 on: May 15, 2019, 10:40:08 AM »
It's a sad thing that our laws provide more protection to animals than to human beings.

Our laws do provide more protection to human beings than to animals.  But we aren't dealing with laws here.  We are dealing with tyrannical edicts from the bench that supplant our laws.
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« Reply #30 on: May 15, 2019, 11:16:53 AM »
Because the two sides -  pro-life and pro-choice - are at war, where anything goes.   One side wants to ban abortion days after a missed period, and the other side wants to permit abortion even as the baby is gasping for life on the operating table.   

I've said this before, to deaf ears.    Those who truly want to reduce the number of abortions don't go monkeying around with Constitutional rights.   They do the hard work of persuasion and support for mothers in tough circumstances to do the right thing.   Or, as the left to its credit advocates,  they make contraceptives freely available.   

But the two warring sides have ratcheted things up to new levels.   So long as one side insists on passing cruel laws that ban abortion at six weeks, the other side will counter with the normalization of infanticide.   Both positions are inhumane and serve to harden hearts.    If only this issue could be removed from the political agenda,  both sides could work together toward the common goal of supporting life.   And the red/blue divide could begin to heal. 

But it's never going to happen.  Neither side will, it seems, acknowledge the bona fides and good faith of the other.   Each just lurches further down the road to extremism.
Let me boil this down for you.

Dems=Party of Death
Republicans (and others)=Give Life a chance.

For all their crap about equal rights, they'd deny a newborn the fundamental care to keep them alive. As usual, all the blather about equality is a sham, although those babies end up equally dead.

We have the means ability to keep premature neonates alive and healthy. We can do surgery in utero and heal the unborn.
Medically, it is marvelous. One of my great granddaughters weighed in under 2 lbs when born, a victim of TTTS (Twin to Twin Transfusion Syndrome), and is a healthy schoolgirl today (as is her big sister, who weighed just under 4 lbs).
Instead, the Dems would deny a newborn a blanket and a bottle and let them die, and howl for a 'right' to dismember those same babies before they see the light of day. Every fundamental human instinct rails against such treatment of a child, any child, unless your ass just isn't wired right. It's just plain evil, @Jazzhead , there is no justifying it. But now the veil of legitimacy has been lifted, and the true nature of the slaughter is there to be seen by all.

It doesn't get any more plain than that. True colors and all that.
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« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2019, 11:25:03 AM »
You're misreading my post.  Try again.   Both sides are reacting to the other's extremism with extremism of their own.

How is protecting the life of an unborn baby "extremism"?
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« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2019, 11:47:44 AM »
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« Reply #33 on: May 15, 2019, 12:11:39 PM »
Just a few observations:

For all the howling about the "patriarchy",  the abortion industry got its start keeping someone's "good name" from being sullied by the presence of little bastards running around, not to mention the likely social and fiscal inconvenience of some extramarital progeny. It was a quicker, less messy (socially) alternative to sending the little darling who had been putting on weight out of state to 'stay with their relatives' for a while, or off to the convent for the duration of an obvious 'condition' that was often a cause for social embarrassment for the rich, powerful, or those who wanted to preserve a squeaky clean image (an image that was a lie, obviously), in the days when pregnancy out of wedlock was considered a big deal and when bastard children complicated matters of estate and inheritance. (talk about "patriarchy"!)
In a time when over 40% of children are born out of wedlock, with rates as high as 70% in some demographic groups, that excuse really no longer exists.

Of all the animals, mammals in particular, and marsupials, which nurture their young, humans (supposedly the most evolved) have fought for the survival of their young. Mothers are famous for their ferocity in the defense of their offspring (never get between mama bear and the cubs!). Such is the natural order of things.
From a human nature standpoint, we have finally created a society where the fundamental nurturing instincts of the mother have been so overturned by lies and propaganda that over a million mothers a year choose to have their infant torn limb from limb, ripped to shreds, and/or chemically poisoned in ways we would not kill a convicted mass murderer, literally torn from their mother's womb. These horrors aren't being perpetrated by Concentration Camp denizens in medical experiments which would be rewarded with a noose to popular acclaim, but by nicely dressed people in nondescript clinics, paid for by people who have no choice but to render their taxes which are diverted so the abortionists can render children.
 
That we are even having this discussion is a measure of the depths to which our culture has sunk, that anyone could argue for such practices as a "right" is an indicator of a sickness which would guarantee the extinction of any other species.

Calling this a "Choice" is like saying that getting a room high up in a hotel and shooting up a concert crowd or setting off a bomb in a subway is a "choice", yet when that happens, people are screaming for the equipment used to be banned and surviving perpetrators to be hunted down, not howling they had a "right to choose" and blather about "their body", despite the obvious consequences for the other person involved. It's like arguing Mr. Paddock had a right to do with his trigger finger what he wanted to? After all, it's his body.
The reply, of course, is that other lives were involved, other bodies would suffer damage.
Look, and you tell me there aren't in this case, too (WARNING, graphic image). Maybe that's a chicken wing and not a human hand. Oh, wait..

For all the howling about separating children from foreign lands from their families, the Left argues vehemently for a "right" to separate American children from themselves (dismemberment) and their mothers (abortion). Definitely the stuff of logical malfunction.

One of the defining aspects of Western Culture is that we value human life. We don't do human sacrifices on pyramid peaks, we don't throw virgins to the fire god, we hold murder to be a most heinous crime. We naturally are revolted, even after decades of media desensitization, by the sight of dismembered blood and bodies, the smells of humans burned, of blood, of bodies ripped apart. The toughest veteran firefighter will vomit at the scene of a really bad car accident, the emotional scars of battlefield injuries and damaged bodies haunt many of our veterans, yet somehow it is to be considered normal for a mother to be indifferent to the fate of her own child within the sanctity of her womb, the one place that child should be safest. Biologically, she is constructed to protect that offspring, it floats in a sac filled with fluid, one of the most efficient shock absorbing systems ever, every normal instinct is for the preservation of the future of her bloodline and the species. There is nothing normal about destroying that offspring, especially for something as inconsequential as convenience. Nor is there anything normal, by Western standards, in men or other women trying to convince other people that this is normal, any more than it is normal to wrap your child (from a Western Civilization viewpoint) in a vest full of explosives and put them on the bus. This is a sickness that reaches every level of a culture, and when the courts, the protectors of the innocent, the guardians of our natural Rights, rule otherwise to legitimize this slaughter, they rule against Nature, the most fundamental of Rights (Life!), and the very foundations of our culture.
But this is just another unnatural act the courts have decreed to be okay.

The time has come to choose, and the nature of that choice is ever more evident. Our culture, our nation's foundations, and your eternity hang in the balance.
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Re: Dem Gov. Vetoes Newborn Care Bill
« Reply #34 on: May 15, 2019, 12:23:26 PM »
How is protecting the life of an unborn baby "extremism"?

Because it denies a woman her fundamental liberty.   A six-week fetus is not a "baby" - that's emotionalism that puts the rabbit in the hat.   If the states want to restrict abortion, then fine, but to deny it altogether is unconstitutional.

I understand what's going on here.   States are passing extreme abortion bans - the most extreme, perhaps, is the new Alabama ban - which are explicitly intended to defy Roe v. Wade and force the SCOTUS to consider overturning this 40-year precedent upon women have come to rely in ordering their lives.   

Well,  you know what's next, don't you?    Attacks by state legislatures on the RKBA,  seeking to force the SCOTUS to restrict or overturn the individual right found by Heller.     Count on it,  and may those attacks in overturning your gun rights be as successful as the attacks seeking to overturn a woman's right to self-determination.   

Fascism is fascism, folks.   The denial of essential liberty is contemptible whether coming from the right or the left.   And it permanently poisons the political process,  with right-wingers defending only the rights they care about and left-wingers defending only the rights they care about.   The hypocrisy on both sides is mind-boggling.

Why not defend liberty in both circumstances?   

Mark my words - the current wave of anti-abortion extremism,  if backed uncritically by the Republican party, is going to force many good people to switch sides.   The government has no flippin' business in a woman's womb.     
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Re: Dem Gov. Vetoes Newborn Care Bill
« Reply #35 on: May 15, 2019, 12:29:40 PM »
The time has come to choose, and the nature of that choice is ever more evident. Our culture, our nation's foundations, and your eternity hang in the balance.

Oh, bullshit.   Unplanned pregnancies are in decline,  and there are far more effective ways to reduce the number of abortions than denying a woman's liberty.   

Pro-lifers who support this extremism want to start a war.  And they will get it - the same tactics they employ will be used by the left to deny the gun right.   But you care about that right because it affects you.  Not the rights of mere sperm receptacles.

Liberty for me but not for thee -  that's contemptible!     
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Re: Dem Gov. Vetoes Newborn Care Bill
« Reply #36 on: May 15, 2019, 12:57:31 PM »
Because it denies a woman her fundamental liberty.   A six-week fetus is not a "baby" - that's emotionalism that puts the rabbit in the hat. 
What is it, then? Is it a duck? A doorknob? A moon rock? 
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If the states want to restrict abortion, then fine, but to deny it altogether is unconstitutional.
1. Show me the part of the Constitution which guarantees a right to dismember or poison a baby. 2. Fine. I'm thinking of a number, between 0 and infinity, to an infinite number of decimal places, so if you can guess it, okay. Otherwise, no abortion.

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I understand what's going on here.   States are passing extreme abortion bans - the most extreme, perhaps, is the new Alabama ban - which are explicitly intended to defy Roe v. Wade and force the SCOTUS to consider overturning this 40-year precedent upon women have come to rely in ordering their lives.   
Maybe women should consider the plethora of contraceptives and methods available in ordering their lives so that order doesn't involve taking other lives.

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Well,  you know what's next, don't you?    Attacks by state legislatures on the RKBA,  seeking to force the SCOTUS to restrict or overturn the individual right found by Heller.     Count on it,  and may those attacks in overturning your gun rights be as successful as the attacks seeking to overturn a woman's right to self-determination.   
Pissy, today, aren't we? You have just cleared the closet door on the RKBA, by saying "your" instead of "our", and calling for the destruction of a fundamental Civil Right that has been under attack far longer than some claimed "right" to slaughter one's own offspring, even after they clear the chute and are breathing air.

Women still have the right to SELF determination, they still choose to have sex or not, to prevent pregnancy or not, they just won't be able to engage the services of murder for hire as an afterthought.

I can defend my RKBA by exercising it, if necessary, from the rooftops. That someone should have to defend babies from their own mothers is an indication of how far this alleged civilization has sunken. I'm not so sure "civilization" is the appropriate term, should this practice prevail.
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Fascism is fascism, folks.   The denial of essential liberty is contemptible whether coming from the right or the left.   And it permanently poisons the political process,  with right-wingers defending only the rights they care about and left-wingers defending only the rights they care about.   The hypocrisy on both sides is mind-boggling.

Why not defend liberty in both circumstances?   
LIBERTY IS USELESS WITHOUT LIFE.
That's why LIFE was mentioned first, ya think?  Nothing is more permanently poisoning than being dead.

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Mark my words - the current wave of anti-abortion extremism,  if backed uncritically by the Republican party, is going to force many good people to switch sides.   The government has no flippin' business in a woman's womb.     
You think Montana isn't losing Democrats to this issue? Wholesale. Letting a live born baby die due to medical neglect is a real tough pill for people to swallow. But those who succeed are less human than any lump of tissue you keep braying about.

You have what it takes. All we have to do is declare ____________ (fill in the blank) to not be human, and we can kill, torture, maim, buy/sell it or the parts at will. It isn't a human so we can do what we want with it, right?

Come on, even animals don't get treated that way.

Here's the rub, though. Once we cross that line of declaring some humans not human, all we have to do is just change the definition. Just tweak that a little to take in the neighbor, the church lady, that annoying telemarketer. With a dash of the proverbial pen, it's open season on everyone! We're seeing this when people praying across the street from one of these industrial murder sites get physically attacked.

All this mish mash about Rights, yet you never argue for the rights of that little human who can't argue for their own--yet the Constitution and Bill of Rights were crafted with the idea in mind that the rights of those who had little voice would be protected from the shouts of the mob. 

How about a compromise? How about any woman can have an abortion for any reason, only she gets sterilized, permanently, along with it. The only exception would be for abortions which were medically necessary to save the life of the mother (kinda like the Alabama law). Then, instead of being mass murderers, those who rely on abortion to 'structure their lives' would only have to do it once, kinda like a vaccine, and they wouldn't have to worry about getting 'preggers' again, missing punctuation marks, or the inconvenience of having a child (or another procedure). Think of the savings for the taxpayers. Even the reduction in medical 'waste' that would have to be disposed. Think of the benefit to society.
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Re: Dem Gov. Vetoes Newborn Care Bill
« Reply #37 on: May 15, 2019, 01:00:52 PM »
Oh, bullshit.   Unplanned pregnancies are in decline,  and there are far more effective ways to reduce the number of abortions than denying a woman's liberty.   

Pro-lifers who support this extremism want to start a war.  And they will get it - the same tactics they employ will be used by the left to deny the gun right.   But you care about that right because it affects you.  Not the rights of mere sperm receptacles.

Liberty for me but not for thee -  that's contemptible!   
Are in decline? Show me the statistics?
Are you telling me that the 40+% (overall, almost double that in some groups) of out of wedlock babies were planned? And those don't include the million or more every year that are shredded or poisoned, just the ones who made it out alive.
Seriously?
Powerful forces have been at war with my right to be armed since well before the Magna Carta. Nothing new, but unenforceable. You can't take my Right to Keep and Bear Arms away, and the government didn't give me that Right, it is one I possess by benefit of being armed, and a Right that those who formed this country refused to surrender to that government, hence its mention as a protected Right.
 
Contrast that with claims to a right to kill someone who has not been found to be guilty of a capital crime, to deprive them of Life (and liberty) without due process, in defiance of other Rights in the Constitution, and to take their lives by means which would be considered "Cruel and Unusual Punishment" even if they had been found guilty of the most horrible crime.
You don't have a leg to stand on.

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« Reply #38 on: May 15, 2019, 01:07:33 PM »
Because it denies a woman her fundamental liberty.

So now murder = liberty.  Do you realize how repugnant that sounds? 

There is nothing "fundamental" in wiping out the life of an unborn child no matter how you try to justify the ghoulishness of it just so you can look yourself in the mirror each day.


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A six-week fetus is not a "baby" - that's emotionalism that puts the rabbit in the hat. 


Oh bullshit it isn't.

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The nose, mouth, and ears that you'll spend so much time kissing in eight months are beginning to take shape. If you could see into your uterus, you'd find an oversize head and dark spots where your baby's eyes and nostrils are starting to form. His emerging ears are marked by small depressions on the sides of the head, and his arms and legs by protruding buds. His heart is beating about 100 to 160 times a minute – almost twice as fast as yours – and blood is beginning to course through his body. His intestines are developing, and the bud of tissue that will give rise to his lungs has appeared. His pituitary gland is forming, as are the rest of his brain, muscles, and bones.

https://www.babycenter.com/6-weeks-pregnant

You can call it a fetus all you want...but that's the cowards way of justifying snuffing out the life of a living breathing human being.


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but to deny it altogether is unconstitutional.

There is no Constitutional "right" to abortion.  Show me which Amendment it falls under.

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I understand what's going on here.   States are passing extreme abortion bans - the most extreme, perhaps, is the new Alabama ban - which are explicitly intended to defy Roe v. Wade and force the SCOTUS to consider overturning this 40-year precedent upon women have come to rely in ordering their lives.
 

You and the rest of the pro baby murderers call it "extreme"...people with a conscious and a soul call it doing everything possible to protect ALL life.


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Fascism is fascism, folks.   The denial of essential liberty is contemptible whether coming from the right or the left.   And it permanently poisons the political process,  with right-wingers defending only the rights they care about and left-wingers defending only the rights they care about.   The hypocrisy on both sides is mind-boggling.

And what about the "essential liberty" of that baby that was sucked into the sink?

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Why not defend liberty in both circumstances?
 

Speaking of hypocrites.  *****rollingeyes***** 

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Mark my words - the current wave of anti-abortion extremism,  if backed uncritically by the Republican party, is going to force many good people to switch sides.

Not really.  With all the pro abortion @ssholes like you out there...there's not gonna be enough Progressives left having kids to have enough of a political party to fight the ultimate reversal of Roe. 


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The government has no flippin' business in a woman's womb.     

Unless of course...the Government is taking your side where abortion is concerned.  Then you're all for them being in there.
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« Reply #39 on: May 15, 2019, 01:11:44 PM »
Are in decline? Show me the statistics?
Are you telling me that the 40+% (overall, almost double that in some groups) of out of wedlock babies were planned? And those don't include the million or more every year that are shredded or poisoned, just the ones who made it out alive.
Seriously?


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The pro baby murderers will do and say just about anything to justify the blood on their hands.
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« Reply #40 on: May 15, 2019, 01:26:42 PM »
If the case for abortion rights is so strong, why is it always cloaked in such euphemisms as “choice,” “women’s health,” and the biggest howler of all, “reproductive rights?” Whatever abortion is about, it is most certainly not about “reproduction.”
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« Reply #41 on: May 15, 2019, 01:47:36 PM »
Are in decline? Show me the statistics?

They are, according to the National Center for Health Statistics.   According to an article in today's WSJ reporting the numbers:

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  The trends suggest that a decline in unplanned pregnancies is a big part of America's lower fertility rate.   Research led by Kasey Buckles, an associate professor of economics at the University of Notre Dame, found that about 35% of the fertility decline from 2007 to 2016 is because of declines in pregnancies that were likely unintended.

The decline in U.S. births is also a partly caused by a "particularly dramatic" drop in births among teens ages 15 - 19,  probably because of increased access to contraceptives.

(I'd provide a link, but the story is behind a paywall).

So the real solution appears to lie with better contraception,  education and economic growth.    Preventing an unintended pregnancy is the best way to reduce abortions.   And the beauty part is that encouraging planned pregnancies is consistent with a woman's liberty.   Anti-abortion extremism just pits one half of the nation against the other, each at the other's throats.     
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« Reply #42 on: May 15, 2019, 01:50:50 PM »
So now murder = liberty.  Do you realize how repugnant that sounds? 


Even the state of Alabama won't jail a woman for having an abortion.  So, no, it's not "murder".   Stop with the pearl-clutching dramatics. 

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« Reply #43 on: May 15, 2019, 01:57:34 PM »
Even the state of Alabama won't jail a woman for having an abortion.

Strawman.  Quit with the distractions that have nothing to do with this.

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So, no, it's not "murder".   Stop with the pearl-clutching dramatics.

Yes murder.  It's no different than some gang banger in Philly killing a 9 year old lady.  Either way a life is taken.

How about you stop with the @s covering justifications for killing an unborn child?

And again I'll put this out there:

If the case for abortion rights is so strong, why is it always cloaked in such euphemisms as “choice,” “women’s health,” and the biggest howler of all, “reproductive rights?” Whatever abortion is about, it is most certainly not about “reproduction.”
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« Reply #44 on: May 15, 2019, 02:00:52 PM »
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The decline in U.S. births is also a partly caused by a "particularly dramatic" drop in births among teens ages 15 - 19,  probably because of increased access to contraceptives.

No more likely because of their ability...encouraged by the likes of Planned Parenthood and their supporters...to use abortion as birth control.

Using words like fetus instead of baby dumbs down and desensitizes people...especially kids to what is actually being done...it's portrayed as "cool" and "no big deal".

So you should be rejoicing at all of this.
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« Reply #45 on: May 15, 2019, 02:41:04 PM »
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My mother told me I was an "accident".  I was born in 1933 so it was good my parents were religious, thought I was a person when she was pregnant, plus abortions were not done then except for the kitchen table kind which could kill the mother.  I think "Accidental" babies now are in danger of being killed before they are born.
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« Reply #46 on: May 15, 2019, 02:43:49 PM »
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My mother told me I was an "accident".  I was born in 1933 so it was good my parents were religious, thought I was a person when she was pregnant, plus abortions were not done then except for the kitchen table kind which could kill the mother.  I think "Accidental" babies now are in danger of being killed before they are born.

@Victoria33 not jsut before they are born...now we're moving into killing them after they are born in some states.
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« Reply #47 on: May 15, 2019, 02:48:01 PM »
@Victoria33 not jsut before they are born...now we're moving into killing them after they are born in some states.
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Let's take this to its final truth:
If it is okay to kill a baby after it is born alive, this means it is okay to kill a person of age 20 since the person was born alive, too.  Kill a person of any age since he/she was born alive.
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« Reply #48 on: May 15, 2019, 03:02:19 PM »
@txradioguy

Let's take this to its final truth:
If it is okay to kill a baby after it is born alive, this means it is okay to kill a person of age 20 since the person was born alive, too.  Kill a person of any age since he/she was born alive.

@Victoria33 just goes to show how far adrift from any kind of moral compass the Progressives are these days.
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« Reply #49 on: May 15, 2019, 03:04:25 PM »
@txradioguy

Let's take this to its final truth:
If it is okay to kill a baby after it is born alive, this means it is okay to kill a person of age 20 since the person was born alive, too.  Kill a person of any age since he/she was born alive.

Yes, that is extremism.    But so are defiant laws that take away any practical opportunity for a woman to decide, even early on, whether to carry a pregnancy to term.   

Extremism begets extremism.    Both sides are acting like fascists, seeking the government to enforce their moral priorities.   
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